From stu@wpo.nerc.ac.uk Sun May 14 13:33:23 EDT 1995
Article: 191 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: stu@wpo.nerc.ac.uk (Stu Clough)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Re: Pond Fertilization Info?
Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 13:21:39
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>>
>>--
>>I'm looking for information about how much fertilizer per acre to use
>>in a small pond to help control the existing moss.  Currently, the
>>water is very clear, and a large build up of moss covers the bottom
>>and the bank edges.  Any info is appreciated...
>>
>You want to put fertilizer in a pond to reduce moss biomass?  Fertilizer?
>Are you sure you mean fertilizer?  You know that stuff with nitrates,
>phosphates, etc?  I could be mistaken but I thought fertilizer helped floral
>growth, and was not used to control biomass. 

I think I understand!!  The basic principle is to increase the amount of 
algae, in turn increasing the turbidity, and therefore the amount of light 
penetrating to the bottom, thus controlling the existing moss.  Plant biomass 
will increase, moss biomass will decrease.  I know of a pond where this has 
been tried, and have some data (somewhere!!) on dosage levels.  The 
fertilisation was a complete success, turning a clear pond in which the few 
stunted fish present were cagey and difficult to catch, into a good, well 
stocked fishery, with fish of good average size.

If I can find the figures I'll post them under pond fertilisation dosage 
levels (or similar)

Stu.
 


From v2sw002@owgmail.endicott.ibm.com Sun May 14 13:33:58 EDT 1995
Article: 186 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: v2sw002@news-owego.endicott.ibm.com (Erwin R. Williamson)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Aquariums and Tropical Fish
Date: 5 May 1995 18:29:50 GMT
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Hello All!  I scanned the newsgroups hoping to find something on
aquarium fish, but this group is the closest thing to it I could 
find.  Any suggestions or maybe a pointer to a web site?  I'm sure
there are many Aquarium enthusiasts out there and I'm surprised 
that there isn't a newsgroup out there already!

Hank


From wyee@sedona.intel.com Sun May 14 13:33:59 EDT 1995
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From: wyee@sedona.intel.com (Wai Fai Yee -FT-~)
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Subject: Shrimp Breeding
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Hello,

	Anyone here has information or can point me to information regarding
shrimp breeding?. Thanks you very much


PS... Yes, I am a circuit designer - but I also like shrimp. I checked a week
      ago and no one has objected to me posting shrimp breeding questions here.

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From pcummins@clark.net Sun May 14 13:34:00 EDT 1995
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From: pcummins@clark.net (Michelle Cummins)
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Subject: MD Aquaculturists/Farmers
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Anyone in the state of Maryland who is interested in aquaculture might 
like a few numbers to get started.

Aquaculture Office MD AG Dept - Brad Powers, Roy Castle 410 841-5724

MD Aquaculture Association (Michelle Powell Cummins) 255-4501 for dates 
of next meetings or President Tom Hopkins (301) 353-0363

Aquaculture Info Center (Ag Library) College Park  504-5704 (301)

There is also an Aquaculture Advisory Committee Meeting on May 11 which 
is a group of many involved in Aquaculture including agency people and 
buyers.  The meeting will be held at the Dept of Ag building 7pm.

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From jcook@access5.digex.net Sun May 14 13:34:00 EDT 1995
Article: 189 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: jcook@access5.digex.net (Jeff Cook)
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Subject: Catch & Release
Date: 7 May 1995 00:40:30 -0400
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Yes, this message really involves fisheries...

I just came back to fishing after 20+ years, a friend is getting me into 
fly-fishing. I've just read an article in FLY ROD & REEL MAGAZINE (April 
95) discouraging catch & release fishing. The reasoning is that when an area 
has a kill-limit for a particluar species, it's because they really do want 
to thin out that part of the population...and to return all fish to the 
water is pretty much irresponsible. If you read the article, you'll see I'm 
not overstating the author's opinion.

Is there any sense among the bio-management specialists here that this 
is an appropriate attitude? The author names shifting balances in 
species populations and reproductive ages, disease, additive vs. 
compensatory mortality, etc. The title of the article is 'Killing Your 
Share' and states..."Take a look at the angling regulations on the waters 
you fish, think through what they are apparently trying to achieve and, 
if you're satisfied that the goals are being reached, go ahead and kill 
accordingly."

Catch & Release is a new concept to me (like I said, it HAS been 20 years!), 
but one that I happily practice. But I would appreciate any comments from 
the people who plan out these things. Thanks.

Jeff Cook



From laurence@cco.caltech.edu Sun May 14 13:34:01 EDT 1995
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From: laurence@cco.caltech.edu (Dustin Laurence)
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Subject: Re: Aquariums and Tropical Fish
Date: 7 May 1995 07:53:09 GMT
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Peter Unmack <ez050581@peseta.ucdavis.edu> writes:

>There are at least three aquarium groups

>alt.aquaria, sci.aquaria, rec.aquaria.  There is also a plants one and 
>probably a marine one to.

There are indeed rec., alt., and sci.aquaria groups.  They are largely
redundant for historical reasons, but rec receives the best
propagation and will be the basis for creating subgroups in the
future.  The other two groups are obsolete except that the peculiar
history of the groups has resulted in some sites receiving only one of
the three groups, so that none can be removed at this time.

There is no group for planted aquaria that I am aware of; if such a
newsgroups exists as the current poster of the aquaria faq I should
probably be made aware of it.  There is no specifically marine group
(yet).

There is a rec.ponds group for pondkeepers, and a (poorly propagated)
alt.aquaria.killies for killifish fanciers.

That is all that comes to mind at the moment.

Dustin

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From stu@wpo.nerc.ac.uk Sun May 14 13:34:02 EDT 1995
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From: stu@wpo.nerc.ac.uk (Stu Clough)
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Subject: Re: Pond Fertilization Info?
Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 13:21:39
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>>
>>--
>>I'm looking for information about how much fertilizer per acre to use
>>in a small pond to help control the existing moss.  Currently, the
>>water is very clear, and a large build up of moss covers the bottom
>>and the bank edges.  Any info is appreciated...
>>
>You want to put fertilizer in a pond to reduce moss biomass?  Fertilizer?
>Are you sure you mean fertilizer?  You know that stuff with nitrates,
>phosphates, etc?  I could be mistaken but I thought fertilizer helped floral
>growth, and was not used to control biomass. 

I think I understand!!  The basic principle is to increase the amount of 
algae, in turn increasing the turbidity, and therefore the amount of light 
penetrating to the bottom, thus controlling the existing moss.  Plant biomass 
will increase, moss biomass will decrease.  I know of a pond where this has 
been tried, and have some data (somewhere!!) on dosage levels.  The 
fertilisation was a complete success, turning a clear pond in which the few 
stunted fish present were cagey and difficult to catch, into a good, well 
stocked fishery, with fish of good average size.

If I can find the figures I'll post them under pond fertilisation dosage 
levels (or similar)

Stu.
 


From CJMOSE@delphi.com Sun May 14 13:34:03 EDT 1995
Article: 192 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: CJMOSE@delphi.com
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Subject: Catch & Release
Date: 9 May 1995 03:18:28 GMT
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Quoting jcook from a message in sci.bio.fisheries
 jc: Path:
 jc:news1.delphi.com!news.delphi.com!uunet!news1.digex.net!news3.digex.net!d
 jc:igex.net!not-for-mail From: jcook@access5.digex.net (Jeff Cook)
 jc:Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries Subject: Catch & Release
 jc: Date: 7 May 1995 00:40:30 -0400
 jc: Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
 jc: Lines: 25
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 jc: NNTP-Posting-Host: access5.digex.net
 jc: Yes, this message really involves fisheries...
 jc: I just came back to fishing after 20+ years, a friend is getting me
 jc:into fly-fishing. I've just read an article in FLY ROD & REEL MAGAZINE
 jc:(April 95) discouraging catch & release fishing.
            <<<deletions>>>
 jc:The title of the article is 'Killing Your
 jc: Share' and states..."Take a look at the angling regulations on the
 jc:waters you fish, think through what they are apparently trying to
 jc:achieve and, if you're satisfied that the goals are being reached, go
 jc:ahead and kill accordingly."
            <<<deletions>>>
>From  what I understand, the issue is primarily one of "quality" versus
quantity from the sportfisher's perspective. Populations managed with a
simple size minimum for harvest develop a paucity of older, larger fish over
the size limit. The fishing pressure "crops down" the population to that
size year after year, and few fish survive into the larger size category.
(And the ones that do have learned to avoid fishing lures.)

To promote more larger fish in a population, managers have experimented with
"slot-limits," which prohibit keeping fish within a certain range, i.e.,
between 11 and 15 in. for largemouth bass. They hope that the large
population of 10-11 in bass will be thinned by fishing pressure, which will
leave the larger bass and also give them more of the food forage base to
grow even larger. Unfortunately, many places that have tried slot limits
have found that anglers release bass regardless of size. Many slot limits
turn out in practice to be essentially catch and release (except for fish
larger than the upper slot, the trophy fish). The goal of thinning the
overabundant smaller fish often goes unfulfilled.

But many argue that this is not all bad, especially anglers who like to
catch a lot of fish and don't object that they are not very large. With a
pure catch and release situation you do get a lot of fish that do not grow
to their full potential, but still may be a lot of fun to catch.

So, in short, if the regs say you can take fish, take em if you want em to
eat. You'll have to decide for yourself whether you want quantity of
"quality" and whether you want to clean em!

Charles Moseley
cjmose@delphi.com

Rainbow V 1.11 for Delphi - Test Drive



From CJMOSE@delphi.com Sun May 14 13:34:04 EDT 1995
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Subject: smallmouth x largemouth hybrid
Date: 9 May 1995 03:18:48 GMT
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 wp: If this is the research I am thinking of it would have been
 wp: conducted about 10 years ago and was nicknamed the Mean Mouth Bass. The
 wp: feelings of the reaearcher at that time were that the fish was so
 wp: aggressive that it would be fished out if not released at a high
 wp: percentage and also a large portion of the fry died due to ingesting
 wp: prey too large to swallow.

I've taken the excellent, if shortsighted, advice of an e-mail respondent
and checked the original publication.  The article is "Bass Genetics as
Applied to Culture and Management" by William F. Childers in Black Bass
Biology and Management edited by Henry Clepper and published by the Sport
Fishing Institute, Washington, D.C. in 1975.

In his article, Childers describes the extraordinarily agressive behavior of
hatchery-produced hybrids (smallmouth males crossed with largemouth female)
that were kept in ponds. They routinely bit swimmers. This was annoying when
they were small but as they grew to about a pound were able to "lacerate the
skin." He recounts and attack upon a female swimmer who was wearing a
brightly colored swimsuit. Fish jumped from the water and struck her in the
head. He also recounts an incident in which a dog was attacked by these
fish. They jumped from the water and smashed into the dog. He also recounts
trying to inspect a nest and being unable to chase a guarding male away. He
thrashed at the fish with the tip of his fishing rod and the fish responded
by biting his legs.

I have to admit that I found this report to be fascinating. It was a little
disconcerting to find that, instead of seeing this as a possible threat to
the well being of the farm-pond-swimming public, Childers wondered whether
this was the birth of an extraordinary sport fish!

So, I did a little more research to see if any fishery biologist had been
intrigued by this behavior and what it might mean in the larger context of
things. Well, I have been disappointed in the curiosity of fishery
biologists. After all, this was 20 years ago! This was no tabloid report of
KILLER FISH, but a well-respected researher with some pretty provocative
personal esperience.

All I could find in the literature was a report by a state agency
evaluating the sportfish potential of the hybrid. They concluded that it
wasn't a decidedly better sport fish. But what AMAZED me was that, although
they noted the Childers report of agressiveness in their introduction, they
never addressed the question of agressive behavior in the report. Didn't
they have any curiosity about these fish? Did anybody get in the water to
see if what Childers reported was the case? You couldn't find out from the
report? Is this what science is all about?

Charles Moseley
cjmose@delphi.com

Rainbow V 1.11 for Delphi - Test Drive



From necron@lakes.trenton.sc.us Sun May 14 13:34:05 EDT 1995
Article: 194 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: necron@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Lord Necron)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Water Plants in ponds and their benifits.
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A mistake many fishfarmers make here in the South  is to delete and hold 
back the growth of aquatic plants.what they prefer is an empty hole of 
water with a thousand or so catfish,bream,bass,ect.
They never realise the potential for growth these fish have if their 
inviroment contains plant life.Plant life sustains crayfish,freshwater 
shrimp,snails,all contributing to the growth of these fish.
Back in april I went to an old Oxe bow of the Savannah River that was 
surrounded by old cypress trees and multitude of plant life in the water.
On that day I caught the biggest damn perch I have ever laid eyes on .
You could allmost put your thumb in his mouth,he was so large.I also 
caught bass and crappie ( monster size) all on the same little lure.
What I learned that day was that if you wanted pond fish to reach their 
potential,plant life was a must.If you use lillies that have the pink 
blooms you can easily sell the offspring for 10-20.00 each.


From necron@lakes.trenton.sc.us Sun May 14 13:34:05 EDT 1995
Article: 195 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: necron@lakes.trenton.sc.us (Lord Necron)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: color inhancement of red tiger oscars
Date: 7 May 1995 20:19:39 -0000
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I have a large breeding pair of red tiger oscars that are a breeding 
pair.
I presently have three seperate spawns of fish plus one new spawn of 
eggs.
My thirty day old fry reached selling size at about an inch but no red 
pigmentation like mon and dad.I have looked for answers from everywhere 
short of calling Singapore (where babies are farmed and allready are red 
by the time they are quarter size.) I have been told that hormones are 
used on the fish in their early stages to bring out the red coloration.
Surely such men who post from such lofty hieghts such as Woods hole will 
have such elemental knowledge and will be of service.
any comments will be apreciated.
Also I have a group of Australian Red claw crayfish that I am going to 
breed in the future. and would like info on this species.


From elassoma@cris.com Sun May 14 13:34:06 EDT 1995
Article: 196 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: elassoma@cris.com
Newsgroups: sci.anthropology,sci.bio.fisheries,soc.culture.bolivia,soc.culture.brazil,soc.culture.colombia,soc.culture.venezuela
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I am collecting any information that I can find on local customs, ceremony, 
and lore and legend that surround the carnivorous, South American family of 
fish (Serrasalmidae), that includes the Piranha.

I am compiling this information for a book that I am writing on Piranha and
their relatives.

I could even use some of those special local recipes for cooking these fine 
fish!

Any comment or reply is appreciated.  Email is preferred.


+---------------------------------------------------------+

Rodney W. Harper
Writer, Scientist, Philosopher, and connoisseur of exquisite fast foods.
Grand Bay, Alabama
Elassoma@cris.com
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From burrows@bcu.ubc.ca Sun May 14 13:34:07 EDT 1995
Article: 197 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: burrows@bcu.ubc.ca (Jeff Burrows)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Re: color inhancement of red tiger oscars
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In article <TaZq5c1w165w@lakes.trenton.sc.us>,
Lord Necron <necron@lakes.trenton.sc.us> wrote:
>I have a large breeding pair of red tiger oscars that are a breeding 
>pair.
...
>any comments will be apreciated.

Maybe try:
alt.aquaria
rec.aquaria
sci.aquaria
	-Jeff.


From birdie@netcom.com Sun May 14 13:34:08 EDT 1995
Article: 198 of sci.bio.fisheries
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Subject: Squaw fish invasion
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Someone introduced Squaw fish into the Eel River in Northern California. 
They are not native and they are direct conflicyt with the Salmon 
population as they eat baby Salmon. The Salmon population is near 
extinction due to logging, overfishing, water diversion, and...the Squaw
fish.

Any ideas on how to eradicate the non-native Squaw Fish and/or
control them? Is there any way to place sterilized stock in with the 
others to fool them into thinking they are breeding when all eggs will be 
in fact infertile?

Poison has been suggested and is NOT an option, and the latest is a 
campaign to get people out to fish for them. A contest for whoever 
catches the most might work out well, and, it would be nice to find a way to
catch them in big sweeps, but, I am afraid it will take more than that...

Any ideas?


-- 
"A few more trips around the sun & my face will look like a fault map!" 
                                                  
                                                  - birdie@netcom.com


From luc@aim.unizh.ch Sun May 14 13:34:09 EDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Piranha Lore Wanted
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elassoma@cris.com wrote:


> I am collecting any information that I can find on local customs, ceremony, 
> and lore and legend that surround the carnivorous, South American family of 
> fish (Serrasalmidae), that includes the Piranha.

Famous is the "sopa de piranha", a soup that is supposed to give new 
strenghs to "tired" men ...
When we go to the Pantanal, and we have no better fish, we frie the 
piranha. You just have to cut up the whole side of the fish as many times 
as possible, so you break up the "spines" (?). Then it's even a delicious 
fish ...

> I am compiling this information for a book that I am writing on Piranha and
> their relatives.

> I could even use some of those special local recipes for cooking these fine 
> fish!

> Any comment or reply is appreciated.  Email is preferred.


> +---------------------------------------------------------+

> Rodney W. Harper
> Writer, Scientist, Philosopher, and connoisseur of exquisite fast foods.
> Grand Bay, Alabama
> Elassoma@cris.com
> +---------------------------------------------------------+



From san@nexuseur.demon.co.uk Sun May 14 13:34:10 EDT 1995
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From: san@nexuseur.demon.co.uk (San Takashima)
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Subject: Horseshoe Crab
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Dear sirs,
I'm looking for 2 persons named
C.N. Shoester (or may spell Schuster?) from William & Mary College
M. Orton from Fordham College(?)

They study about Horseshoe Crab.
Does anyone know about these people pr some people who study Horseshoe
Crab (Limulus)?

San Takashima
san@nexnet.com


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Dear sirs,
I'm looking for 2 persons named
C.N. Shoester (or may spell Schuster?) from William & Mary College
M. Orton from Fordham College(?)

They study about Horseshoe Crab.
Does anyone know about these people pr some people who study Horseshoe
Crab (Limulus)?

San Takashima
san@nexnet.com


From the_doctor@netins.net Sun May 14 13:34:11 EDT 1995
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Subject: Re: PC FISHelp info on the Web
Date: 10 May 1995 19:50:53 GMT
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In article <3onub6$lch@panix.com>, das@panix.com (David Staschover) writes:
>Hello,
>
>Please excuse this online ad, but there is a website which contains
>information and a demo of a software program geared specifically for
>commercial fishing. 
>
>The URL is http://www.webscope.com/fishelp/info.html
>
>

I downloaded it but from what i can tell its only good for fishing ships.

		The_Doctor@Netins.Net 



From gcouger@olesun.agen.okstate.edu Sun May 14 13:34:12 EDT 1995
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From: gcouger@jsun.okstate.edu (Gordon Couger)
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Subject: Re: Pond Fertilization Info?
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In article <3oc9s1$s44@baygull.rtd.com>,
Robert Dejournett <hermes@rtd.com> wrote:
>In article <3oamqu$t4p@wrdis02.robins.af.mil>,
>GS-334-12 Danny Churchwell <dchurchw@robins.af.mil> wrote:
>>I'm looking for information about how much fertilizer per acre to use
>>in a small pond to help control the existing moss.  Currently, the
>>water is very clear, and a large build up of moss covers the bottom
>>and the bank edges.  Any info is appreciated...
>>
>You want to put fertilizer in a pond to reduce moss biomass?  Fertilizer?
>Are you sure you mean fertilizer?  You know that stuff with nitrates,
>phosphates, etc?  I could be mistaken but I thought fertilizer helped floral
>growth, and was not used to control biomass.  Anyways how eutrophic is your
>pond?  How much phosphates etc does it have?  Phosphate content is an 
>indication of how 'rich' a pond is, if there is too much (i.e. because of
>external pollution) there tends to be problems with algae, they are in
>very high numbers and cause all sorts of problems.  

Proper fertilization will allow alge to grow in the water greatly reducing
the clarity which will block the sunlight from the bottom decreasing the
depth that the weed can grow in. 

As I recall you should only be able to see a tin can lid at 12 to 14 inches
of depth of a properly fertilized pond. Contact your local extension agent
for more up to date info.

In my experiance ectreemly clear water has a high mineral or salt content
causing the silt to fall out much faster than in soft water. Be careful
adding fertilizer particularly in hot months it can use up all the 02
in the water.

Gordon

                            Gordon Couger                            
                            Biosystems & Agricultural Engineering              
                            Oklahoma State University                         
                            114 Ag Hall, Stillwater, OK  74074                 
gcouger@agen.okstate.edu 405-744-9763 day 624-2855 evenings 
    I do not speak for my employer


From das@panix.com Sun May 14 13:34:13 EDT 1995
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From: das@panix.com (David Staschover)
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Hello,

Please excuse this online ad, but there is a website which contains
information and a demo of a software program geared specifically for
commercial fishing. 

The URL is http://www.webscope.com/fishelp/info.html

David Staschover
das@panix.com



From dfready@delphi.com Sun May 14 13:34:14 EDT 1995
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From: dfready@delphi.com (Douglas Ready)
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Here's a popular saying about piranhas in the Northeast ( maybe elsewhere,
too ):

"Where there are piranhas, the alligator swims on his back"  

I have never actually observed this behavior, but I have been assured that
if you see alligators swimming on their backs, you should stay out of the
water.  


One more:  In some parts of Brasil the term "piranha" is applied to certain
           women of ill repute.
 

                           Regards,
                                  Douglas Ready



From scaldwell@dow.com Sun May 14 13:34:15 EDT 1995
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In article <3ohivu$a43@access5.digex.net>, jcook@access5.digex.net (Jeff Cook) writes:
Jeff Cook wrote:
snip--snip
>The reasoning is that when an area 
>has a kill-limit for a particluar species, it's because they really do want 
>to thin out that part of the population...and to return all fish to the 
>water is pretty much irresponsible. If you read the article, you'll see I'm 
>not overstating the author's opinion.
>
>Is there any sense among the bio-management specialists here that this 
>is an appropriate attitude? The author names shifting balances in 
>species populations and reproductive ages, disease, additive vs. 
>compensatory mortality, etc. 
snip--snip
>Jeff Cook
>
Well, a long time ago I had an undergraduate zoology project that involved 
population biology. I was supposed to write a simple computer model based on
different literature references that took into account food supply and
predator population. The target species was deer and the predator was cougar,
as well as I can remember (since 1975). The approach was very simplistic, but
I can tell you it was an eye-opener to me. With out predation, the population
 vs time graph tended to take on a very exaggerated saw tooth patten due to 
over population followed by famine and collapse of the deer population. It
really resembled the population response seen in the tragic African fammines.
It did not address the issues of size or permanent damage to the eco system. 

My experience with farm ponds has mirrored
the model pretty well, with a much more complex response. When predators were
introduced, the population smoothed out, and the population of deer and cougar
followed a staggered wave pattern. The assumptions of the model did not address
the disappearence of the deer from over predation. 

As a consequence, I have taught my children catch-and-kill small sunfish in 
ponds and lakes. Over population has been the bane of almost all good ponds
and lakes I have fished. It is necessary to consider the eco system and the 
species when making a decision, but I generally favor releasing the large fish
(the predators) and killing the small fish, especially where there is low
fishing pressure.

My brother is an experienced fisheries scientist (PhD) and has a similar
view. It is not just a simple question with a simple answer, contrary to 
what bureaucrats and lawmakers may think. If you are fishing and catching 
a *lot* of small fish (relative), think about killing rather than releasing,
if the law allows it. 

Steve C


From CJMOSE@delphi.com Sun May 14 13:34:15 EDT 1995
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I've missed a lot of the exchange about the buyout of the yellowfin
commercial take off of Virginia Beach and I'd like to ask the group's
indulgence for a few questions that I have that might be replowing old
ground. I'll format this post as statements and questions.

As far as I know the issue of allocation of yellowfin tuna between 3 and 200
miles off the coast is the responsibility of the Secretary of Commerce (and
thus the NMFS). They can allocate the catch permited by ICCAT. So, is this
"agreement" a U.S. allocation decision, based upon a "private" agreement?

If this is so, will such an allocation agreement be binding upon commercial
fishers other than the ones involved in last years take off Virginia?

The money amount that has been mentioned--$350,000. Who is to receive that
amount. Each fishing boat? Any boat that expresses an interest in fishing
those waters? Some fund? I'd like some details.

What is the involvement of the Mid-Atlantic Fisheries Management Council?

Who negotiated this deal?

What is the authority for requiring a "stamp" for recreational fishers?

How are the monies to be transferred between the "public" (stamp purchasers)
and the "buyoutees" (the commercials, however many they are)? Who
distributes it and how?

Is this the kind of precedent that we want to establish for allocation
decisions? Some would say, YES, it's the marketplace at work. Others would
say it's blackmail at work, under government approval.

Is this a version of the government (the public) (recreational fishers)
paying the commercials for "not fishing"?

This whole deal seem so bizarre to me. I'd like to get some detailed
responses (or at least some pointers to where I could find out, since I know
there has been a lot of discussion about this prior to my involvement).
Thanks again. This has been an incredibly productive thread.

Charles Moseley
cjmose@delphi.com

Rainbow V 1.11 for Delphi - Test Drive



From georgen@agora.rdrop.com Sun May 14 13:34:16 EDT 1995
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Kathleen Ostridge (birdie@netcom.com) wrote:

: Someone introduced Squaw fish into the Eel River in Northern California. 
: They are not native and they are direct conflicyt with the Salmon 
: population as they eat baby Salmon. The Salmon population is near 
: extinction due to logging, overfishing, water diversion, and...the Squaw
: fish.

: Any ideas on how to eradicate the non-native Squaw Fish and/or
: control them? Is there any way to place sterilized stock in with the 
: others to fool them into thinking they are breeding when all eggs will be 
: in fact infertile?

: Poison has been suggested and is NOT an option, and the latest is a 
: campaign to get people out to fish for them. A contest for whoever 
: catches the most might work out well, and, it would be nice to find a way to
: catch them in big sweeps, but, I am afraid it will take more than that...

: Any ideas?

On the Columbia River they offer a bounty of $3.00 for each squawfish 
over 10 inches or some length like that.  Seems to have dramatically 
reduced the spawning population!  

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Even if you are on the right track, you'll get run over
 	if you just sit there."
						--Will Rogers

	George F. Nandor		georgen@agora.rdrop.com
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From CJMOSE@delphi.com Sun May 14 13:34:17 EDT 1995
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I've missed a lot of the exchange about the buyout of the yellowfin
commercial take off of Virginia Beach and I'd like to ask the group's
indulgence for a few questions that I have that might be replowing old
ground. I'll format this post as statements and questions.

As far as I know the issue of allocation of yellowfin tuna between 3 and 200
miles off the coast is the responsibility of the Secretary of Commerce (and
thus the NMFS). They can allocate the catch permited by ICCAT. So, is this
"agreement" a U.S. allocation decision, based upon a "private" agreement?

If this is so, will such an allocation agreement be binding upon commercial
fishers other than the ones involved in last years take off Virginia?

The money amount that has been mentioned--$350,000. Who is to receive that
amount. Each fishing boat? Any boat that expresses an interest in fishing
those waters? Some fund? I'd like some details.

What is the involvement of the Mid-Atlantic Fisheries Management Council?

Who negotiated this deal?

What is the authority for requiring a "stamp" for recreational fishers?

How are the monies to be transferred between the "public" (stamp purchasers)
and the "buyoutees" (the commercials, however many they are)? Who
distributes it and how?

Is this the kind of precedent that we want to establish for allocation
decisions? Some would say, YES, it's the marketplace at work. Others would
say it's blackmail at work, under government approval.

Is this a version of the government (the public) (recreational fishers)
paying the commercials for "not fishing"?

This whole deal seem so bizarre to me. I'd like to get some detailed
responses (or at least some pointers to where I could find out, since I know
there has been a lot of discussion about this prior to my involvement).
Thanks again. This has been an incredibly productive thread.

Charles Moseley
cjmose@delphi.com

Rainbow V 1.11 for Delphi - Test Drive



From mxw@dmu.ac.uk Sun May 14 13:34:18 EDT 1995
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From: mxw@dmu.ac.uk (Maxine Wesley)
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At last a group for people with an interest in fisheries but may I add
that I hope it evolves into being a usefull forum for discussing all
aspects of the fishing industry and not into yet another 
alt.fish.tank.my.guppie.has.white.spot one. As previously posted there 
are groups already for that sort of talk. 

I am a graduate (B.Sc in Fishery Studies, 1988) of the Humberside College of 
Higher Education, Hull, UK (now the University Of Humberside) who after 
an initial effort to find a job related to my degree has settled down in 
Computing (firstly support, now programming).

I maintain my interest in the subject of fisheries and am curently hoping 
that it will be possible to utilise the computing knowledge I have gained 
in a fishery related post (I dream a lot too!!).

Anyway.. since it is a small group currently howzabout some of you saying 
why you have an interest in this group.. (and if you know of any jobs 
going you can always e-mail me...) 


As far as the Canada/Spain argument went I must say that I supported the 
efforts of the Canadians in this.. our own government penalises it's own 
fishermen here but Spain seem to support theirs by not policing the 
industry to such a rigid extent.. in which case pressure should be 
brought upon all those involved in a fishery to conform to it's rules.. 
else if we are not going to penalise the Spanish for their actions then 
we shouldn't be so strict with our own people.  



Cheerio for now



Maxine


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From: jjoy@calvin.stemnet.nf.ca (Jonathan B. Joy)
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Newfoundland, Canada

Arctic char fry and fingerlings for sale

Contact: Graham Bailey  phone: 709 464 3555


From markh@mcdata.com Sun May 14 13:34:19 EDT 1995
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From: markh@mcdata.com (Mark Henrichs)
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We have just built a small pond (about 70' by 120') by damming up a small 
stream that runs year-around.  The stream comes from runoff and several 
small springs.  The deepest water is about 10' deep near the dam, and 
gradually slopes up to the inlet where the stream falls about a foot to the 
pond surface level.  We live at about 8,400' in the Rocky Mountains.

We would like to stock trout in this pond, and hopefully breed them.  The 
local fishery suggested brown and rainbow, but expected the brown to 
dominate eventually.  However, they were doubtful that we would ever be able 
to have them breed.  The entrance to the pond was made intentionally shallow 
(3 to 12 feet wide, about 20' long, a few inches deep) so we could try 
putting gravel here for breeding.

Is this a futile attempt?  Does anyone have any suggestions about how we 
might try to get trout to breed here?  Would other types of fish do better?

Any suggestions on how we could stock this pond to keep it clear from algae 
and weeds, but in a natural way (no chemicals that would harm the 
environment)?  Are there fish that would co-exist with the trout that would 
help keep down plant overgrowth?

Any suggestions for a good reference book on this topic?

-- 
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From pha6wf@leeds.ac.uk Sun May 14 13:34:20 EDT 1995
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In article <9505091859592.DLITE.dfready@delphi.com> dfready@delphi.com (Douglas Ready) writes:

>"Where there are piranhas, the alligator swims on his back"  

>I have never actually observed this behavior, but I have been assured that
>if you see alligators swimming on their backs, you should stay out of the
>water.  
Being Brasilian I can confirm the saying but I've never observed that 
behaviour in caymans either.  I'll keep watching...

>One more:  In some parts of Brasil the term "piranha" is applied to certain
>           women of ill repute.
In some places in Brasil I have observed men swim on their backs  (or 
whatever the dry land equivalent may be...)

Waldemar



From grenard@herpmed.com Sun May 14 13:34:21 EDT 1995
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Thanks to the many excellent suggestions posted to me by readers,
the NA Snakebite webpage has been slightly revised in several areas
and linked to the international Poisons Database, a series of pages
which contains a list of all venomous species worldwide, antivenom sources,
as well as listings of toxinologists and poison control centers.
This partially alleviates my earlier concerns for providing information
on species exotic to us in the USA as well as to field workers and residents 
in foreign locales. The revised URL is::

http://www.xmission.com/~gastown/herpmed/snbite.rev

The issue of using pressure dressings and elastic bandaging on bites by
species with proteolytic action was recently addressed by Norris and Minton
in Vol6,No6 of Vivarium where they urge caution. There is a trade-off in
using the methods advocated in Australia for bites by their native species.
That trade-off may indeed include increased risk of local tissue damage
versus allowing the venom to reach vital organs. In any life or death
situation such factors must be weighed.    The technique is harmless if
little or no envenomation has ocurred. If significant envenomation
has ocurred it could be life saving. There is a gray area in-between where
local tissue damage may be incurred needlessly.  It is, in my opinion,
impossible to speculate on which of these three scenarios a victim may
face.  Therefore the webpage continues to recommend the Australian
method as the safest course of action in a potentially life threatening
bite. We have added the use of the Sawyer Extractor on a try-basis for
up to l-minute although there is no convincing evidence it is
entirely efficacious.  The earlier claims about the vast amount of
suction (1 atmosphere) it can generate continues to concern me. This
amount of vacuum is, according to the laws of physics, theoretically
impossible. If the amount of vacuum is even near that much, however,          
you risk closing/sealing the fang track. The page recommends free bleeding of  
bite first followed by no more than a minute's worth of attempt with the
extractor. If the wound is bleeding at all by itself at least the
extractor would not prevent the bleeding and it may work for a short time 
afterwards to remove some additional fluid/blood/venom from the bite
site.  If it is to be used at all, it should be done after allowing
free-bleeding and only for a few trys. The presence of a straight edged
razor blade in the extractor kit should NOT be construed as an invitation
to incise or cut into the flesh around the bite site. It is 
there to prep the skin around the bite (shaving hair off).  Hair around
the bite could prevent an effective seal between extractor and skin
surface.  

I look forward to continuinng this dialogue either on the public forum
of the two herp newsgroups or via private e-mail as one would prefer.

Steve Grenard
grenard@herpmed.com





















I look forward to a continuing dialogue on these subjects either in
the public forum of sci.bio.herp or rec.pet.herp or via e-mail.



 




 
As further improvements to this and linked pages are made I
will continue to report them. Again thank you to all who have 
responded with comments and suggestions.

NEW URL:

http://www.xmission.com/~gastown/herpmed/snbite.rev



Steve Grenard




From smj94002@uconnvm.uconn.edu Sun May 14 13:34:22 EDT 1995
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Could anyone tell me about the new craze in Tilapia breeding?  It seems
that they are becoming very popular on the market.  Where are they native
to?  Size?  Flavor?  Salt or fresh water?  Any other info would be greatly
appreciated.
																																						Thanks,
																																											Steve Jordan
Email if you prefer


From the_doctor@netins.net Sun May 14 13:34:22 EDT 1995
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From: the_doctor@netins.net
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is ther anyone out there that farms catfish???

		The_Doctor@Netins.Net 


From dave@midnite.advance.com Sun May 14 13:34:23 EDT 1995
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Is anyone out there studying the Rogue River in Oregon?  (Particularly
the decline of the steelhead)?  If so, send me a note and I'll tell
you more about what my interests are.

				- Dave Diller


From JRC@OITVMS.OIT.UMASS.EDU Sun May 14 13:34:24 EDT 1995
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From: JRC@OITVMS.OIT.UMASS.EDU (JOHN RICE COLE)
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A local company is about to begin tilapia farming in tanks near here on the
Connecticut River floodplain. Apparently they have Conservation Commission
permission.

Should anyone worry, or have I read one too many Andrew Hall novel?!

--John
jrc@tei.umass.edu


From aqsys@aol.com Sun May 14 13:34:25 EDT 1995
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From: aqsys@aol.com (Aqsys)
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I have run across a situation where a pond owner, 1/2 acre who has just
bought the property, said that the pond was stocked with Israel Carp.  I
had not heard the term Israel Carp for over 20 years and since last I
heard the Israel Carp was a carp that ate vegetation, so I guess that I
have assumed for years that the Israel Carp was just another name for the
White Amur.

Is there a difference between the two or are they the same. From what the
pond owner has told me it sounds like these fish were stocked a couple of
years ago, the pond before this had never had any major algae problems,
now the pond is over run by algae and the owner at a lost as to what to
do.  I recommended that the algae be treated and the White Amur or Israel
Carp be removed and vascular weeds be planted to try and tie up some of
the excess nutrients.  

Is there any way to trap the White Amur, possibly using vascular
vegetation as bait.  The only two other options that I see are to kill off
the pond and restock it or try and seign the carp out.  Any suggestions or
observations would be appreciated.

Scott Seymour.


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North American Venomous Snakebite- Emergency First Aid Web Page 

Several people with Netscape wrote to say they could not properly
access this page unless there was an htm or html tag attached.

Therefore, please be advised that the URL for this Web site has
now been modified and may be accessed as follows. I hope that this
modification will make the WebPage accessible by all Web Browsers
including Netscape.  Please contact the undersigned if there are
difficulties so they can be addressed. 

http://www.xmission.com/~gastown/herpmed/snbite.htm



Thank you for your attention and kind assistance in this project.

Steve Grenard
grenard@herpmed.com



From stewart@bud.peinet.pe.ca Sun May 14 13:34:27 EDT 1995
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From: stewart@bud.peinet.pe.ca (Paul Stewart)
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Does anyone have info or a contact for raising or otherwise dealing with 
Koi (sp?)?  I am searching info for a local biotech firm using this 
species for production of vaccine. Contact me directly or through this 
list. Also, is there a newsgroup for aquaculture I can post this to? Any 
Web sites would be appreciated too.

I am currently self-employed as a consultant biochemist for the growing 
aquaculture industry here, including fin-fish (so far, all salmonids). 
Anyone else out there with similar interests or in a similar position, I 
would love to hear from you. Need to expand my list of contacts, and this 
is the place to do it.

ABIOGEN c/o Paul Stewart
RR #2 Vernon Bridge
Prince Edward Island
CANADA   C0A 2E0
stewart@bud.peinet.pe.ca
(902) 651-3163


From td_hartzog@pnl.gov. Sun May 28 23:10:07 EDT 1995
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From: td_hartzog@pnl.gov. (Tim Hartzog)
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(NOTE: everything cut this time)

Sir,

As you do not know myself or what I do or what my beliefs are,
I do care for your implication that I am trying to kill this news
group. It was not snipping. I was only giving someone who had checked his
facts a bravo. I had read your reply as snipping. You stated, and I quote

>I'm curious.  What impact did building the pond have on the wildlife, 
>plantlife and surroundings of the stream in general below you? Any 
>objections from any landowners?  What larger system did it feed and how 
is
>it going to affect it?

. He replied with a FULL reply and not a simple "YES". As I re-read this 
I now see that it was not snipping, merely a question. If I offened you 
I am sorry but I do not like being slandered by someone I do not even 
know. I am not looking for a flame war and will not respond to any flame 
bait. As for my leaving the part in about the army corp. of Eng. I merely 
cut part of the text so as not to repost the whole article. 

>You are not exactly overflowing with 
>activity to the point that you can afford to be quite as elitist as you
>and one or two others would like to be.  The majority on here are not
>only very intelligent, informed individuals; they are quite willing to
discuss issues and share that information.

When did posting lots make people authorities? Did I say anything that 
was elitist? I merely gave someone a bravo for covering all the bases, 
same as you did in the first part of your reply to my post. I am here out 
of curiosity, if this is the response that new people get I can see why 
there are only 25 poeple posting.


Tim
-- 
Opinions are mine and not the people who pay for
my time and existence on this earth.



From dwalker@island.net Sun May 28 23:10:08 EDT 1995
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Does anyone have any general information on doing "Creel" surveys
(Catch per unit effort) for river(Bar) recreational fisheries.

Just looking for general tips on methodology and potential problems,
secondary (i.e. environmental measurements) and data management.

Any important cites or contacts would be helpful as well.

dwalker@island.net (Nanaimo, BC)



From cjones@rsmas.miami.edu Sun May 28 23:10:09 EDT 1995
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From: cjones@rsmas.miami.edu (Christopher Jones)
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In article <3p9904$i6a@umigw.miami.edu>, roffer@rcf.rsmas.miami.edu says:
>
>Does anyone know where one can get the results or proceedings of
>the recent workshop held in Virginia on the effects of tag and release.
>
>Thanks
>
>Mitch Roffer
>roffer@rcf.rsmas.miami.edu


The meeting held recently in Virginia Beach (May 8-10) dealt mainly 
with catch and release mortality, as opposed to effects of tagging.  
There was some mention made of mortality due to tagging, but no papers 
dealing directly to the topic.


Christopher Jones
jones@rsmas.miami.edu


From sfsfs@fail.com Sun May 28 23:10:11 EDT 1995
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Hi.  Please excuse me if I am posting to the wrong group.  I am a layman 
doing a little research into freshwater snails and their life cycles, 
with particular reference to breeding and early (larval?) stages.  I am 
NOT a biologist, but can make my way through most college biology texts.  
I would appreciate some references, particularly WWW references, on this 
subject.  Is there a book you have found particularly useful?  a 
pamphlet or other resource?  Please let me know.  You can post a reply 
or e-mail me at

munchkyn@netcom.com

Again, my apologies if this is an intrusion into the wrong group.  
Thanks for any help you can lend me.

Sarah Stegall

P.S. No, this is NOT a school project.




From hank@netcom.com Sun May 28 23:10:12 EDT 1995
From cjones@rsmas.miami.edu Sun May 28 23:14:53 EDT 1995
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In article <3p9904$i6a@umigw.miami.edu>, roffer@rcf.rsmas.miami.edu says:
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>Does anyone know where one can get the results or proceedings of
>the recent workshop held in Virginia on the effects of tag and release.
>
>Thanks
>
>Mitch Roffer
>roffer@rcf.rsmas.miami.edu


The meeting held recently in Virginia Beach (May 8-10) dealt mainly 
with catch and release mortality, as opposed to effects of tagging.  
There was some mention made of mortality due to tagging, but no papers 
dealing directly to the topic.


Christopher Jones
jones@rsmas.miami.edu


From sfsfs@fail.com Sun May 28 23:14:54 EDT 1995
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Hi.  Please excuse me if I am posting to the wrong group.  I am a layman 
doing a little research into freshwater snails and their life cycles, 
with particular reference to breeding and early (larval?) stages.  I am 
NOT a biologist, but can make my way through most college biology texts.  
I would appreciate some references, particularly WWW references, on this 
subject.  Is there a book you have found particularly useful?  a 
pamphlet or other resource?  Please let me know.  You can post a reply 
or e-mail me at

munchkyn@netcom.com

Again, my apologies if this is an intrusion into the wrong group.  
Thanks for any help you can lend me.

Sarah Stegall

P.S. No, this is NOT a school project.




From hank@netcom.com Sun May 28 23:14:55 EDT 1995
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I've got four culverts through which about 80-100 acres of high
watershed runoff gets consolidaed -- in starting to try to revegetate,
we're considering small impoundments so as to be able to water into
the dry summertime here (N. Ca. coast range).

This offers the possibility, perhaps, of measuring silt load, capturing
silt below the culverts and trying to spread the water out over the
hillside.

Too remote for a concrete truck; too steep for a dirt dam; too
many thunderstorms to under-design anything else it'll wash out.

Any thoughts welcome.  So far we've just been watching and are
going to set up photo transect posts soon, so we can reconsider over time.



From tad@sdc.cs.boeing.com Sun May 28 23:14:56 EDT 1995
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I don't think fin clipping as a method of id would work in his situation
since he will be studying swimming and the fin clips could have an impact
on the fishes' swimming pattern, performance, etc.


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This request was posted to me and I think somebody can help

We would like to know informations about aquaculture for marine fishes,
especially " sea bream" and "spiny lobster".
   I'm student in Departament of Oceanography at Rio de Janeiro State
University, and I'm working with marine fishes aquaculture.
   Thank you,in advance,for your attention

 Gelcilio C. Barros Filho" <@vm.gmd.de:C9312035@BRUERJM.BITNET>.


From drouinl@ERE.UMontreal.CA Sun May 28 23:14:58 EDT 1995
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From: drouinl@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Drouin Louis)
Subject: World Fisheries congress: where?
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I am looking for the Proceedings of the World Fisheries Congress, (1992)
in Athens.  If somebody have any info on these Proceedings, I would be
very grateful

Contact Francis





From td_hartzog@pnl.gov. Sun May 28 23:14:59 EDT 1995
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From: td_hartzog@pnl.gov. (Tim Hartzog)
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Thank you Dan for your apology, accepted and done! :)

I was wondering if Mark would mind answering a few questions,
1> Are you stocking the pond/lake/body of water? If so with what?
2> Do you have to worry about draw down in the spring, what about low 
water in the summer? Is the water line static or is it lowered and raised 
with the flow of water?
3> Which is Better? (anyone who can answer is great!)
4> Do you have to worry about ice? If so does that influence what kind of 
fish should go in there?

I am a self confessed computer/business nerd and have only the talks with 
a friend of mine who has a degree in Marine Biology to prompt these 
questions and I don't even fish! Please be gentle, (G).


-- 
Opinions are mine and not the people who pay for
my time and existence on this earth.



From ihmacrae@comnet.au.ac.th Sun May 28 23:15:00 EDT 1995
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From: ihmacrae@comnet.au.ac.th (Ian H. Macrae)
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Subject: Re: tilapia
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JOHN RICE COLE (JRC@OITVMS.OIT.UMASS.EDU) wrote:
: A local company is about to begin tilapia farming in tanks near here on the
: Connecticut River floodplain. Apparently they have Conservation Commission
: permission.

: Should anyone worry, or have I read one too many Andrew Hall novel?!

: --John
: jrc@tei.umass.edu

The lowest temperature tolerated by tilapia is 18 deg centigrade. It is a 
tropical/sub tropical species which originated in Africa and the middle 
east. And will grow in fresh and salt water, though it is basically a 
freshwater fish. They are very hardy and breed prolifically, some are 
mouth brooders ie. the mothers carry the young in a mouth pouch until 
free swimming. They are now widely spread throughout central and southern 
America, Africa, the middle east and south and south east asia, as well 
as I believe northern Australia.

Given the above great care should be exercised if intoduced in areas 
within their range - although if it is within their range they are 
probably there already !



From dan.rapp@stpete.honeywell.com Sun May 28 23:15:01 EDT 1995
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OK, OK, we were both a little touchy.  You stated "BRAVO!!!! Way to cover 
all your bases against just this sort of thing!".  It was a little 
sarcastic; but then so am I. I'll own up to the fact that I overreacted.  
I've noticed a (very) few respondents in here that take offense at the 
"unwashed masses" commenting in this group and find it irritating.  I
included you as one of them after your comment.  Sorry about that.  As far
as slander, hardly.  I will stand by the fact that I think this forum 
needs to develope a more open atmosphere for discussion; dissent and
comments on the dissent.  A number of the people commenting on here have
advanced education in some specialized areas.  Being questioned in an
area of expertise can be irritating.  So can seemingly "stupid questions".

Anyway, I asked the original question only because I wanted to know the
answer.  You took it wrong and reacted accordingly.  I then overreacted 
and acted the same as those I find so irritating.  Basically, we both
were a bit foolish.  I accept your apology and extend mine in return.  Next
time, maybe we can find something really worthy of our somewhat dubious
talents.<grin>  Anyway, glad to have another curious non-expert on the
group.  Definitely quite a bit of good information here.

Dan


From ihmacrae@comnet.au.ac.th Sun May 28 23:15:02 EDT 1995
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From: ihmacrae@comnet.au.ac.th (Ian H. Macrae)
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David Jones (hallman@bcu.ubc.ca) wrote:
: I need to find out a reliable technique for marking captive fish.  I
: can't use "T-tags" through the epaxial muscle because one of the exp'ts

: I was thinking about "branding" the fish (while anaesthetized) with a
: low power solering iron on the operculum.  I would only need a letter
: or two (just enough for a positive ID).  If anyone has any opinions or
: any suggestions for other techniques please let me know.

You might try freeze branding using a metal "number" cooled in liquid 
nitrogen, this produces a readable brand after a few hours. It is easy to 
produce a set of irons to do this - copper is best.



From ihmacrae@comnet.au.ac.th Sun May 28 23:15:03 EDT 1995
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From: ihmacrae@comnet.au.ac.th (Ian H. Macrae)
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the_doctor@netins.net wrote:
: is ther anyone out there that farms catfish???

: 		The_Doctor@Netins.Net 

What kind of catfish ?


From brett3@ix.netcom.com Sun May 28 23:15:04 EDT 1995
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In <3pmboi$qfk@nuscc.nus.sg> scip3174@solar.cc.nus.sg (N Sivasothi)
writes: 
>
>JOHN RICE COLE (JRC@OITVMS.OIT.UMASS.EDU) wrote:
>: A local company is about to begin tilapia farming in tanks near here
on the
>: Connecticut River floodplain. Apparently they have Conservation
Commission
>: permission.
>
>: Should anyone worry, or have I read one too many Andrew Hall novel?!
>
>Over here in Southeast Asia, these African fish are all over the
place. 
>They are a pest in Singapore resevoirs because they tend to die in
>thousands, polluting the drinking water. But they are food fish in
other
>countries which have freshwater fisheries. 
>
>While there is concern about tilapia outcompeting native fish over
here,
>my impression is that these lacustrine fish are occupying only altered
>habitats, which the endemics have left anyway. We do not have
lacustrine
>fish (I think Southeast Asia does not have old lakes like in Africa),
so
>perhaps they are not a threat to endemics, but merely occupying a
niche
>that would otherwise be empty. 
>
>They cannot penetrate into forest streams due to the acidity, which is

>where endemics 'hang out'.
>
>Is there anyone out there who knows about this?
'm new to this group. I've been hanging out in rec.ponds. I'm a
fisheries biologist/fish culturist in Texas. I've worked with several
species of Tilapia and related fishes for about 15 years. They are all
tropical in nature, but some tolerate cold temperatures better than
others. In Southeast Texas, they will all die off in a hard winter.
They are fairly well established in non-natural heated habitats
(powerplant lakes, well outfalls, other unusually warm waters) and
controversial in this state. They are established in extreme South
Texas. Several farms are producing them here, mostly indoors. The
tilapia are sometimes stocked as bass forage in unheated small (less
than 1000 acres) reservoirs by the owners/fisheries managers. They
become quite numerous in summer and vulnerable to complete predation
when the water cools in winter.  I have never heard of tilapia commonly
overwintering in unheated areas North of Interstat 10 or a line from
Houston through San Antonio. Most have a lower lethal limit of about 50
degrees F. I don't believe that they could become a problem in unheated
waters North of Texas. I tend to believe the disturbed habitat/invader
theory postulated here. Not too many natural water habitats left in
Texas, many, many, heated reservoirs built in riverbeds where tilapia
thrive. Hope I wasn't too long winded, and Helpfull.
                   Brett


From ALAN_SIMCOE@MINDLINK.BC.CA Sun May 28 23:15:05 EDT 1995
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I am looking for information on the suspended sediment levels tolerated by 
Rainbow Trout (Oncorhynchus mykiss), Bull trout (Salvelinus confluentus) and 
Mountain whitefish (Prosopium williamsoni).  If anyone has some references 
which quantify the acceptable levels I would appreciate hearing about them.  I 
can be reached at my e-mail: Alan_Simcoe@mindlink.bc.ca


From dwalker@island.net Sun May 28 23:15:06 EDT 1995
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I have recently been running across references to a seafood gaining
poularity called the soft shelled crab (quite small and you use the
entire animal). If anyone knows the specifics on their biology and
whether they are culturable let me know at:

dwalker@island.net



From BRSF000@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA Sun May 28 23:15:07 EDT 1995
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Does anyone know a good technique to count fish eggs (Rainbow
Trout)??  I have an extensive lab to work with. Any ideas
would be greatly appreciated.

                        Thanks, Pas from Montreal



From jkorrube@botzoo.uct.ac.za Sun May 28 23:15:08 EDT 1995
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From: jkorrube@botzoo.uct.ac.za (Jan L. Korrubel)
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Hi all,

I am doing a linear/goal programming exercise with some judgemental  data I 
have extracted from a group of "experts".  I haven't seen it much applied in 
the fisheries field and was wondering if any of you mangement/stats types out 
there might have a pointer or two for me.....?

Many thanks in advance,

Jan L. Korrubel
Marine Biology Research Institute
University of Cape Town
The 'new' South Africa.



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From salmo@titan.oit.umass.edu Sun May 28 23:15:09 EDT 1995
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From: salmo@titan.oit.umass.edu (James J Montgomery)
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D. Walker (dwalker@island.net) wrote:
: Does anyone have any general information on doing "Creel" surveys
: (Catch per unit effort) for river(Bar) recreational fisheries.

: Just looking for general tips on methodology and potential problems,
: secondary (i.e. environmental measurements) and data management.

: Any important cites or contacts would be helpful as well.

: dwalker@island.net (Nanaimo, BC)

	You may want to stratify sampling schedule by weekday/weekend, 
weather, time after stocking, to increase precision.
	Make sure to always sample at different times of day.  How large 
is the study area?  You may have problems contacting all anglers present 
during sampling period.
	Pay attention to behavioral protocol on behalf of your surveyors.
	Important environmental measurements: air temp, water temp, river 
discharge,  water clarity.
	Get data as to fishing method (fly, lure, or bait).

	Also, I know, make sure there is adequate fishing pressure to get 
sufficient sample size for analysis!!

	email me personally or over the group with more specifics of your 
situation and I may be able to help you further.  I have some citations.

				-jamie (salmo@student.umass.edu)


From aqsys@inc.net Sun May 28 23:15:10 EDT 1995
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From: aqsys@inc.net (Scott Seymour)
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Ponds-L: Pond & Lake Management Discussion List

List Title: ponds-l: Pond & Lake Management 
Discussion List
List Owner or Contact: Scott Seymour aqsys@inc.net

Description:

Ponds-L is an discussion group primarily directed 
towards the layman who owns or lives on a pond or 
small lake and commercial owners of ponds and small 
lakes.  Members of the educational & scientific 
communities and pond & lake professionals are welcome 
to join the list in an advisory capacity.

Some of the topics of discussion: (but not limited 
to)

Weed & Algae Control (chemical - mechanical - 
biological), fishery management, aeration and 
fountain systems, pond & lake restoration, biological 
augmentation, pond & small lake construction, 
shoreline stabilization, nutrient management, 
watershed issues, dredging & sediment removal, 
wildlife problems (geese, muskrats, beavers, otters 
and blue heron's.) and beneficial aquatic vegetation.

This group is for the discussion of pond and lake 
problems, commercial advertising or spams are not 
welcome.  No polite posting that is on subject will 
be rejected.

To subscribe to this list, send e-mail to 
listproc@inc.net; in the body of the message, type 
subscribe ponds-l [your name] example "subscribe 
ponds-l John Doe"

To unsubscribe from this list, send the command 
unsubscribe ponds-l in e-mail to listproc@inc.net

Send all other list-related commands to 
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Language:
English

If you are interested in Ponds & Lakes here are the 
names of some other excellent groups that you might 
want to try:

rec.ponds   
A newsgroup that is directed towards the owners of 
decorative & ornamental ponds.  For people that enjoy 
water gardening, Koi, goldfish and other fish as a 
hobby, this group is very informative.

sci.bio.fisheries
A newsgroup that is directed towards aquaculture and 
fishery management on a very scientific and technical 
level.  If you are a serious fish grower or have a 
strong interest in the ecological aspects of the 
fishery around the world this is very good news group 
that might be right for you.. 


Lakes-L 
This is a mail list that deals with a wide variety of 
larger lake issues. Some of the topics that are 
covered are as follows:

Lake Management ideas; analytical tools, hardware and 
procedures related to lake ecology and lakes; all 
lake related biological, geological, and scientific 
topics. Particular emphasis is placed on behavioral, 
evolutionary, paleontological, theoretical, and 
community ecology; including assessment and 
management by applied mathematics, statistics and 
modeling, mathematical GIS, limnology, chemical 
ecology, etc:



From aqsys@inc.net Sun May 28 23:15:11 EDT 1995
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From: aqsys@inc.net (Scott Seymour)
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I have just posted the announcement of Ponds-L to 
your group, I also am a member of sci.bio.fisheries 
and feel that it is an excellent group. At the bottom 
of the announcement for Ponds-L you will see that I 
have a short message recommending sci.bio.fisheries, 
I also plan on adding a recommendation for your group 
on the welcome page that new subscribers get when 
they subscribe to Ponds-L. I have not done this yet, 
if anyone would like to help me by sending me a short 
descriptive text on sci.bio.fisheries I would 
appreciate it.

Scott Seymour



From grenard@herpmed.com Sun May 28 23:15:12 EDT 1995
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The Herpmed HomePage can now be found located at:

http://www.xmission.com/~gastown/herpmed/


and provides clickable links to: NA Snakebite Emergency First-Aid
WebPage, The Virtual Herpetology Library (Harvard) and the 
WW Poisons Information Database. This database contains listings of
every venomous snake in the world and links to antivenom sources.

To listers of herpetology webpages: please delete the herpmed
snakebite page and replace with the above homepage  at your next
revision. Thank you. 




From bjford@cix.compulink.co.uk Sun May 28 23:15:14 EDT 1995
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From: bjford@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Brian Ford")
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We are compiling a survey of sensitivity, response and 'awareness' in 
animals and plants. This brief multiple posting is to ask for contacts of 
current researchers, or relevant reports. Thanks.

Brian J Ford.


From bmurray@bud.peinet.pe.ca Sun May 28 23:15:15 EDT 1995
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From: bmurray@bud.peinet.pe.ca (Barry Murray)
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Subject: Re: American Lobster, Homarus americanus
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In article <dickhuas-180595181359@msp2-7.nas.mr.net> dickhuas@InforMNs.k12.MN.US (Dale Dickhausen) writes:
>From: dickhuas@InforMNs.k12.MN.US (Dale Dickhausen)
>Subject: American Lobster, Homarus americanus
>Date: 19 May 1995 12:17:29 GMT

>Can somebody on the net give me the latest information about research on
>the American Lobster found in the Northwest Atlantic? How big can they get?
>How long do they live? I'd like to hear from some lobster fishermen. I was
>out in Maine two years ago and was fasinated by these guys. 
>-- 
>Have a good day. 

A good popular reference book is  The Lobster Almanac, Bruce Ballenger, The 
Globe Pequot Press, 1988.  There are 217 pages, with major sections on Lobster 
Culture, Lobster Science, The Culinary Lobster, and The Lobster Trade.  Its a 
good read, fairly accurate, generally what it seems you're looking for.  
F.Y.I., I'm a lobster fisherman in the Gulf of St. Lawrence.

bmurray


From gcouger@agen.okstate.edu Sun May 28 23:15:16 EDT 1995
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From: gcouger@jsun.agen.okstate.edu (Gordon Couger)
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Subject: Re: marking captive fish
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In article <3q1lkp$9kv@abac.au.ac.th>,
Ian H. Macrae <ihmacrae@comnet.au.ac.th> wrote:
>David Jones (hallman@bcu.ubc.ca) wrote:
>: I need to find out a reliable technique for marking captive fish.  I
>: can't use "T-tags" through the epaxial muscle because one of the exp'ts
>
>: I was thinking about "branding" the fish (while anaesthetized) with a
>: low power solering iron on the operculum.  I would only need a letter
>: or two (just enough for a positive ID).  If anyone has any opinions or
>: any suggestions for other techniques please let me know.
>
>You might try freeze branding using a metal "number" cooled in liquid 
>nitrogen, this produces a readable brand after a few hours. It is easy to 
>produce a set of irons to do this - copper is best.
>

You can find the numbered copper branding iorns alredy made. Just go to
a veternary supply house ask for horn branding iorns. The are used to
brand numbers in the horns of cattle.

If you can't find them localy
Karl Myer had them the last time I was in there his number is
405 335 2158. Make sure the size he has suits you. If you call him tell
him I said hello to him and his wife Donna.
Gordon                                  

Gordon Couger - 624 Cheyenne, Stillwater, OK 74075
gcouger@master.ceat.okstate.edu 405-624-2855 evenings 
    I do not speak for my employer


From seliason@awod.com Sun May 28 23:15:17 EDT 1995
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<much deleted for space>
 
maybe we can find something really worthy of our somewhat dubious
>talents.<grin>  Anyway, glad to have another curious non-expert on the
>group.  Definitely quite a bit of good information here.
>
>Dan


  I hope that no one will be intimidated from posting thier questions, 
even a "stupid" question in some peoples minds are relevant to many.  As
you know fisheries is an ongoing field of research, we'll never know it
all. Hell, I ask "stupid" questions every day, and every once in a while 
I find out something new. Works for me, even if its for laughs.

-Steve-



From dcypser@nyx10.cs.du.edu Mon May 29 15:50:03 EDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Why so few BATF agents in OK Federal Building
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Could you folks remove sci.geo.geology from your cross-postings, please.  
It is not appropriate.

Darlene



From jmerola@vt.edu Mon May 29 15:50:04 EDT 1995
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How did this thread end up in bburg.bev.general?  Could all of you
conspirators please change your postings so it doesn't come here.

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From graham@cyclops.iucf.indiana.edu Mon May 29 15:50:05 EDT 1995
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Carl J Lydick (carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU) wrote:
> In article <020304Z29051995@anon.penet.fi>, an113354@anon.penet.fi (Michel) writes:

> =So far nobody has explained to me how P-waves can show up on a trace
> =done by a device recording mainly S-waves, and have an amplitutde
> =which is *bigger* than the one from genuine S-waves. Yes, there can be
> =some cross influence between the two kinds of waves, but the
> =phenomenon would only be marginal.

> You seem to believe that there's something intrinsically different between the
> direction and frequency of the motion caused by an S wave and that caused by a
> P wave.  There's not.

So, Carl.  How about answering his question?  Heck, lay all this 
bantering about second-bomb conspiracies to rest.  Just explain to
him why the amplitude of the supposed reflection or secondary wave
was greater than the first.

> =Of course Carl will respond that I don't really understand the words
> =I write.

> You've demonstrated quite nicely that you know absolutely nothing about what
> you're gibbering about.

No, I think not.  He's demonstrated as have many others, that there is
an unanswered FUNDAMENTAL question about the seismograph recording.

If someone would actually answer this, we could avoid all of this
pompous bullshit from you armchair skeptics.

Jim Graham
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From listproc@inc.net Mon May 29 15:50:06 EDT 1995
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From dwalker@island.net Mon May 29 15:50:07 EDT 1995
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From: dwalker@island.net (D. Walker)
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Subject: Re: Creel Surveys
Date: 29 May 1995 14:30:59 GMT
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In article <3q3g4g$bj0@nic.umass.edu>, salmo@titan.oit.umass.edu (James J Montgomery) says:
>
>D. Walker (dwalker@island.net) wrote:
>: Does anyone have any general information on doing "Creel" surveys
>: (Catch per unit effort) for river(Bar) recreational fisheries.
>
>: Just looking for general tips on methodology and potential problems,
>: secondary (i.e. environmental measurements) and data management.
>
>: Any important cites or contacts would be helpful as well.
>
>: dwalker@island.net (Nanaimo, BC)

>
>        You may want to stratify sampling schedule by weekday/weekend, 
>weather, time after stocking, to increase precision.

Yes, I did manage to come up with a bit of info on creel census and it 
appears that the "stratification" of sampling is very important, however
it was a liitle oblique on how best to approach randomizing the sampling 
schedule.

>        Make sure to always sample at different times of day.  How large 
>is the study area?  You may have problems contacting all anglers present 
>during sampling period.

ibid (same as strat of days ?); The sampling area is the (lower) Fraser 
river, from Sumas to Coquihalla R. ( Hope). Apparently we will have two
people in the field sampling at four sites ( 2 ea); with weekly flyovers for
total counts ... comments ?. Shuold there be spot checks outside of the
main study sites.

>        Pay attention to behavioral protocol on behalf of your surveyors.

I'm sorry, i am not sure what you mean here, how shy at approaching people
or the fact that not all fishers are created equal and may skew the data
(skewness being apparently another issue)

>        Important environmental measurements: air temp, water temp, river 
>discharge,  *water clarity*.

Sechhi disk ?, anything better ?


>        Get data as to fishing method (fly, lure, or bait).

Yes, very important

>        Also, I know, make sure there is adequate fishing pressure to get 
>sufficient sample size for analysis!!

Please clarify, we will be examining the exploitation of chinook and sockeye
primarily, so i suppose this falls somewhat under some of the assumptions
regarding mixed stock fisheries.

>
>        email me personally or over the group with more specifics of your 
>situation and I may be able to help you further.  I have some citations.
>
>                                -jamie (salmo@student.umass.edu)

Thanks for the tips, I am posting in the group as I have had a couple
of requests for summarys of any info I come up with from some of the readers.

dwalker@island.net


From jed@vulcan.earth.nwu.edu Mon May 29 15:50:08 EDT 1995
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From: jed@vulcan.earth.nwu.edu (John DeLaughter)
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In article <020304Z29051995@anon.penet.fi> an113354@anon.penet.fi writes:
>
>
>So far nobody has explained to me how P-waves can show up on a trace
>done by a device recording mainly S-waves, and have an amplitutde
>which is *bigger* than the one from genuine S-waves. Yes, there can be
>some cross influence between the two kinds of waves, but the
>phenomenon would only be marginal.

Ok, let me give this a swing.  I am not a full-time seismologist; right
now I'm researching coronae and geoid functions.  However, my master's
thesis dealt with earthquake statistics.  And, even better, I have at
hand three (out of many, many more) texts that *show* seismic traces
recorded on the same type of equipment as that located in Norman.

In _Earthquake Interpretation: A Manual for Reading Seismograms_ (R.B.
Simon, 1981), there are several exxamples of seismic traces which include
both P- and S-waves.  There are even several that show LQ and LR.
See pp.24-25, 36-37, 39, 41, 47... Heck, look at just about any page in
the book!

In _Introduction to Geophysical Prospecting_ (M.B. Dobrin and C. H. Savit,
1988), there is a very good description of how seismic waves propogate 
(Ch 2) and another on the type of instruments that are used to record
seismic traces (Ch 3).  Admittedly, this book is geared more toward
exploration seismology that toward earthquake seismology and so gives
more room to typical exploration geophones but, as one professor of mine
used to say, "The math don't care!"  There is also a nice discussion
of the growing use of S-waves in seismic surveys.

And, in _The Solid Earth: An Introduction to Global Geophysics_ (C. M. R.
Fowler, 1990), there are again several examples of both P- and S-waves 
arriving on the same instrument (pp. 96-97), as well as a good, basic 
discussion of seismic propogation.

In short, as long as you continue to argue that a seismometer can only
recieve P- or S- waves, and not both all types of properly oriented
waves, you will reveal the vast depths of your ignorance in the field.

John DeLaughter


From jpmork@primenet.com Mon May 29 15:50:10 EDT 1995
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You mean facts are actually USED in these interminable rightwing rants?

Not so's I've noticed.  Why is it rightwingers can create their cases out 
of whole cloth and expect everybody else to do better?  In  most of these 
cases, "nobody knows" is the only truthful answer.  But, then, that would 
make for a lot of short threads.

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From an113354@anon.penet.fi Mon May 29 15:50:11 EDT 1995
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In article <3qai5s$pl@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU foams:
>In article <3qacs6$s7q@news.primenet.com>, boylel@Primenet.Com (Lee Boyle) writes:
>=A textbook paranoid personality ranted:

It's amazing how predictable these gummint apologetics all are! If
they can't dispute the facts any longer, they resort to name calling,
and question the mental sanity of their opponents.

>=>
>=> You forgot my small surprise quizz, to prove that at least you know
>=>something about VAXen :)
>=>
>=
>=This side attack is quite revealing. 

Ah, the pop psychoanalysis continues. Probably so that he can claim
that it's not an ad hominem attack but rather the result of a careful
deduction.

>= Do you care at all about convicing
>=people that the bombing was a dark conspiracy, or do you just like
>=pretending that you know more than anybody else? 

I care about convincing that the bombing was a conspiracy, but in
this occasion I just wanted to make fun of somebody's stupid
signature.

>= I'm sure you find it
>=very comforting in the short term, but it doesn't really address your
>=underlying need for acceptance.  
>=
>=Is there somebody that you can talk to about this?
 Psychoanalysis again.

>
>To respond toi his sid quiz, it was yet another example of his babbling.  I

Aren't we getting a little bit nervous here? Spelling errors can be
quite revealing. (Sorry for the psychoing...)

>claim to understand VAXen and VMS.  His "quiz" had little to do with either:  I                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>was a question about a security bug in an O/S other than VMS that happened to
>run on VAXen.
        ^^^
Isn't there a small contradiction here? (Not that it is relevant to
the bombing, I'm just picking nits...)

So far nobody has explained to me how P-waves can show up on a trace
done by a device recording mainly S-waves, and have an amplitutde
which is *bigger* than the one from genuine S-waves. Yes, there can be
some cross influence between the two kinds of waves, but the
phenomenon would only be marginal.

Of course Carl will respond that I don't really understand the words
I write. Probable candidates are the words ad hominem, S-wave, P-wave,
psychoanalysis, and why not VAXen and VMS. Probably I'm just a team of
monkeys banging away at my keyboard. Hey, a few more candidate words.

Probably lots of other people will try to find comfort by showing
their pop knowlege of psychology.

Of course people don't want to appear to be predictable (sorry for the
psychoing), and will try to react differently. Or maybe some won't get
it.
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From boylel@Primenet.Com Mon May 29 21:46:31 EDT 1995
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From: boylel@Primenet.Com (Lee Boyle)
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Subject: Re: Why so few BATF agents in OK Federal Building
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In article <020304Z29051995@anon.penet.fi>,
Michel <an113354@anon.penet.fi> wrote:
>
>In article <3qai5s$pl@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU foams:
>>In article <3qacs6$s7q@news.primenet.com>, boylel@Primenet.Com (Lee Boyle) writes:
>>=A textbook paranoid personality ranted:
>
>It's amazing how predictable these gummint apologetics all are! If
>they can't dispute the facts any longer, they resort to name calling,
>and question the mental sanity of their opponents.

  1. Every "fact" you have presented has been disputed thoroughly.

  2. I didn't really intend that as name-calling, just marvelling at
     how well this entire thread would fit into an Abnormal Psych
     textbook.  To anyone familiar with the diagnostic criteria for
     "paranoid personality", it's like saying "a man with a limp".
     That's not name-calling, it's simply stating the obvious.  I'll
     point out that it's not the same as "paranoid schizophrenic".


>I care about convincing that the bombing was a conspiracy, but in
>this occasion I just wanted to make fun of somebody's stupid
>signature.

  I didn't understand it as "making fun".  It seemed to come across
  as a test of his abilities, with the intent of impressing us all
  that you actually know more than he does.  The fact that you 
  pressed for an answer when he ignored you further confused me.

>>To respond toi his sid quiz, it was yet another example of his babbling.  I
>
>Aren't we getting a little bit nervous here? Spelling errors can be
>quite revealing. (Sorry for the psychoing...)

  Now here's an example of the difference between a person with training in
  psychological evaluation and "pop psychology".  Spelling errors are an
  excellent way to diagnose a sticky keyboard and possibly the importance
  attached to the message.  Personally, I would expect a person to be more
  attentive to his spelling if he was worried about the factual content,
  but I wouldn't make any decisions based on it unless I had seen samples
  of the person's typing under a variety of circumstances.

>
>>claim to understand VAXen and VMS.  His "quiz" had little to do with either:  I                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>was a question about a security bug in an O/S other than VMS that happened to
>>run on VAXen.
>        ^^^
>Isn't there a small contradiction here? (Not that it is relevant to
>the bombing, I'm just picking nits...)

  If I claimed to be an expert in the care of horses, it wouldn't be
  reasonable to test my claim by asking the name of the jockey who
  rode the winning horse in the 1957 Kentucky Derby.  People who
  understood what it means to be an expert in the care of horses 
  would immediately see that you don't understand it, and might even
  suspect that this was the only horse-related fact you knew.
 
--
-------------------
Lee Boyle
boylel@primenet.com


From carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU Mon May 29 21:46:32 EDT 1995
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In article <020304Z29051995@anon.penet.fi>, an113354@anon.penet.fi (Michel) writes:
=Aren't we getting a little bit nervous here? Spelling errors can be
=quite revealing. (Sorry for the psychoing...)

Not at all, though you DO once again demonstrate your propensity to look for
imaginary, complex explanations where simple ones would do.  In this case, the
terminal I was using had a flakeey E key.

=>claim to understand VAXen and VMS.  His "quiz" had little to do with either:  I                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
=>was a question about a security bug in an O/S other than VMS that happened to
=>run on VAXen.
=        ^^^
=Isn't there a small contradiction here? (Not that it is relevant to
=the bombing, I'm just picking nits...)

Not at all, though I'm not surprised that you're stupid enough to think there
is.  Tell me, would you expect an automobile mechanic who specializes in GM
products to be an expert in repairing televisions just because some folks might
transport televisions in GM vehicles?  By far the vast majority of bugs found
in Ultrix have simply been bugs in code ported intact from BSD.  Such bugs
have nothing to do with VAXen per se.  Of course, as usual, you were just
bandying buzzwords you'd encountered in a field of which you're quite ignorant.

=So far nobody has explained to me how P-waves can show up on a trace
=done by a device recording mainly S-waves, and have an amplitutde
=which is *bigger* than the one from genuine S-waves. Yes, there can be
=some cross influence between the two kinds of waves, but the
=phenomenon would only be marginal.

You seem to believe that there's something intrinsically different between the
direction and frequency of the motion caused by an S wave and that caused by a
P wave.  There's not.

=Of course Carl will respond that I don't really understand the words
=I write.

You've demonstrated quite nicely that you know absolutely nothing about what
you're gibbering about.

=Probable candidates are the words ad hominem, S-wave, P-wave,
=psychoanalysis, and why not VAXen and VMS. Probably I'm just a team of
=monkeys banging away at my keyboard. Hey, a few more candidate words.
=
=Probably lots of other people will try to find comfort by showing
=their pop knowlege of psychology.

You mean as you did above?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL

Disclaimer:  Hey, I understand VAXen and VMS.  That's what I get paid for.  My
understanding of astronomy is purely at the amateur level (or below).  So
unless what I'm saying is directly related to VAX/VMS, don't hold me or my
organization responsible for it.  If it IS related to VAX/VMS, you can try to
hold me responsible for it, but my organization had nothing to do with it.


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From mpage@magi.com Mon May 29 21:46:34 EDT 1995
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In article <020304Z29051995@anon.penet.fi>, an113354@anon.penet.fi, too
scared to use his own name, wrote:

>    In article <3qai5s$pl@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
foams:
>    >In article <3qacs6$s7q@news.primenet.com>, boylel@Primenet.Com (Lee
Boyle) writes:
>    >=A textbook paranoid personality ranted:
>    
>    It's amazing how predictable these gummint apologetics all are! If
>    they can't dispute the facts any longer, they resort to name calling,
>    and question the mental sanity of their opponents.
    
Well, dear, I'll give you a break.  I'm willing to question your physical
sanity instead. 

Feel better now?

>    >=> You forgot my small surprise quizz, to prove that at least you know
>    >=>something about VAXen :)
>    >=>
>    >=
>    >=This side attack is quite revealing. 
>    
>    Ah, the pop psychoanalysis continues. Probably so that he can claim
>    that it's not an ad hominem attack but rather the result of a careful
>    deduction.

For someone who gets his knickers in a major twist about The True Facts,
you sure have a sloppy way with the terms you throw about.  If the segment
you quote were in fact an attempt to move the argument to a psychological
level, it still would not constitute 'psychoanalysis', pop, mom, Oedipal
or otherwise.  

If you keep misusing terminology in this manner, I shall be obliged to
send the black helicopters to get you.

Maddy'must be damn uncomfortable what with those French fries implanted in
his buttocks and all'Page
 


From m.abbott@frsow.bull.fr Tue May 30 23:07:02 EDT 1995
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From: m.abbott@frsow.bull.fr (Michael E. Abbott)
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Subject: Taimen
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Could someone please provide me with
general information concerning taimen
(siberian salmon). Life-cycle, what
it likes to eat, etc.

Thanking you in advance,

Michael Abbott
m.abbott@frsow.bull.fr



From steve@srmulti.demon.co.uk Tue May 30 23:07:03 EDT 1995
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Subject: Is there any body out there?
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Obviously..
..but are any of you with the National Rivers Authority (U.K.)?

Please say hi, or point me in the direction of web pages about UK
rivers.

Steve R




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Joseph S. Merola (jmerola@vt.edu) wrote:
> How did this thread end up in bburg.bev.general?  Could all of you
> conspirators please change your postings so it doesn't come here.

WEll, I've already been burned by this childish behaviour, apparently by
someone in this thread who can't tolerate anyone disagreeing with them.

My only mistake was that I forgot to check my followups-to: line which was
copied from Carl Lydick's post to me.  So I got it from Mr. Lydick, and
we'll leave it to him to figure out where HE got it.

My apologies for not checking it.

And for the moron that put all of those irrelevant groups in the 
followup-to: line, GROW UP.

Jim Graham
--
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ATTENTION BATF:  BITE Me!

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greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in
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John DeLaughter (jed@vulcan.earth.nwu.edu) wrote:
> In article <020304Z29051995@anon.penet.fi> an113354@anon.penet.fi writes:
> >
> >
> >So far nobody has explained to me how P-waves can show up on a trace
> >done by a device recording mainly S-waves, and have an amplitutde
> >which is *bigger* than the one from genuine S-waves. Yes, there can be
> >some cross influence between the two kinds of waves, but the
> >phenomenon would only be marginal.

> Ok, let me give this a swing.  I am not a full-time seismologist; right
> now I'm researching coronae and geoid functions.  However, my master's
> thesis dealt with earthquake statistics.  And, even better, I have at
> hand three (out of many, many more) texts that *show* seismic traces
> recorded on the same type of equipment as that located in Norman.

> In _Earthquake Interpretation: A Manual for Reading Seismograms_ (R.B.
> Simon, 1981), there are several exxamples of seismic traces which include
> both P- and S-waves.  There are even several that show LQ and LR.
> See pp.24-25, 36-37, 39, 41, 47... Heck, look at just about any page in
> the book!

> In _Introduction to Geophysical Prospecting_ (M.B. Dobrin and C. H. Savit,
> 1988), there is a very good description of how seismic waves propogate 
> (Ch 2) and another on the type of instruments that are used to record
> seismic traces (Ch 3).  Admittedly, this book is geared more toward
> exploration seismology that toward earthquake seismology and so gives
> more room to typical exploration geophones but, as one professor of mine
> used to say, "The math don't care!"  There is also a nice discussion
> of the growing use of S-waves in seismic surveys.

> And, in _The Solid Earth: An Introduction to Global Geophysics_ (C. M. R.
> Fowler, 1990), there are again several examples of both P- and S-waves 
> arriving on the same instrument (pp. 96-97), as well as a good, basic 
> discussion of seismic propogation.

> In short, as long as you continue to argue that a seismometer can only
> recieve P- or S- waves, and not both all types of properly oriented
> waves, you will reveal the vast depths of your ignorance in the field.

So, tell us ignoramuses how the supposed "S-wave" amplitude is greater
than the initial "P-wave".

Jim Graham
--
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ATTENTION BATF:  BITE Me!

Keywords for NSA/CIA/FBI/BATF search:  farming, rutabagas, turnips,
corn, crops, planting, cultivating, True Value Hardware, Interstate
Highway System, Seedy Motel, fertilizer, fuel oil, Mighty Morphin
Power Rangers, Hall's Cough Drops, matches, baby powder, republic,
tyranny, apple pie, Jesus, gravity, liberty, freedom, Boris Badenough,
Fearless Leader, Dudley Doright, Horse, Locke, Tocqueville, Jefferson,
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greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in
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hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our contrymen."
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Subject: Re: Why so few BATF agents in OK Federal Building
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Lee Boyle (boylel@Primenet.Com) wrote:
> In article <020304Z29051995@anon.penet.fi>,
> Michel <an113354@anon.penet.fi> wrote:
> >
> >In article <3qai5s$pl@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU foams:
> >>In article <3qacs6$s7q@news.primenet.com>, boylel@Primenet.Com (Lee Boyle) writes:
> >>=A textbook paranoid personality ranted:
> >
> >It's amazing how predictable these gummint apologetics all are! If
> >they can't dispute the facts any longer, they resort to name calling,
> >and question the mental sanity of their opponents.

>   1. Every "fact" you have presented has been disputed thoroughly.
                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^
Please name just ONE.

>   2. I didn't really intend that as name-calling, just marvelling at
>      how well this entire thread would fit into an Abnormal Psych
>      textbook.  To anyone familiar with the diagnostic criteria for
>      "paranoid personality", it's like saying "a man with a limp".
>      That's not name-calling, it's simply stating the obvious.  I'll
>      point out that it's not the same as "paranoid schizophrenic".

Thanks for giving us your expert opinion without charging us, Doctor.

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From alt.folklore.urban, talk.politics.misc, alt.conspiracy, sci.geo.geology, sci.skeptic, alt.flame Tue May 30 23:07:07 EDT 1995
Article: 300 of sci.bio.fisheries
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Subject: Re: Why so few BATF agents in OK Federal Building
Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 01:21:51 -0400
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In article <3qdset$g87@peavax.eng.pko.dec.com>, Flyfisher@netcom.com (Grey
Ghost) wrote:

   In article <3qd47j$q5k@news4.primenet.com>,
      boylel@Primenet.Com (Lee Boyle) wrote:
   [lot's of paranoid bullshit thrown in the circular file]
   
   Would you morons PLEASE keep your rantings and ravings out of
newsgroups that 
   couldn't give a damn what you have to say? Specifically, 
   rec.outdoors.fishing.fly and sci.bio.fisheries?
   
Inclusion of fishing groups in the newsfroups line? Furrfu. This is
entirely too subtle. My newsreader has already marked earlier posts as
read, so I can't track the addition of these froups (the only alternative
is to mark all of afu as unread, and I haven't the strength). Artie? Is
this sporting?

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From sgr@helix.ho.att.com Tue May 30 23:07:08 EDT 1995
Article: 301 of sci.bio.fisheries
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I have a 1-acre fresh-water spring/stream-fed
pond that I'd like to develop for catch-release,
private, recreational fishing.  It currently has
quite a few (I've seen as many as 8, a few are
quite large) resident snapping turtles.

My questions:

1) Will the turtles interfere with any stocking
   of bass, catfish, sunfish, etc?  That is, I
   assume they eat fish, but don't know how much.

2) Basically, are the turtles an asset or a liability
   to the fish and fowl that frequent the pond?
   Someone said that a turtle ate one of the six
   newborn Canadian Geese.

3) If they are a liability, what's the best way to
   get them out of the pond?  The local kids seem
   to love catching them using hotdogs as bait
   (something we're in the process of preventing
    via posting of the property).

		Thanks in advance,
			Steve
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From salmo@titan.oit.umass.edu Tue May 30 23:07:09 EDT 1995
Article: 302 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: salmo@titan.oit.umass.edu (James J Montgomery)
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Subject: Re: Creel Surveys
Date: 30 May 1995 04:13:22 GMT
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: Yes, I did manage to come up with a bit of info on creel census and it 
: appears that the "stratification" of sampling is very important, however
: it was a liitle oblique on how best to approach randomizing the sampling 
: schedule.

You may need to research your particular fishery to find out how to best 
stratify (for example: is it a weekend fishery?  Do guys show up there on 
their way home from work?)

: people in the field sampling at four sites ( 2 ea); with weekly flyovers for
: total counts ... comments ?. Shuold there be spot checks outside of the
: main study sites.

Catch rates could be *much* different at areas outside of the main study 
sites, which I presume are the areas that get the most pressure.  Are you 
concerned with CPUE for the whole river or just at the popular sites?  
Fishermen who go off the beaten path will often have higher catch rates 
(in trout fisheries anyway)

Pay attention to behavioral protocol on behalf of your surveyors.

: I'm sorry, i am not sure what you mean here, how shy at approaching people
: or the fact that not all fishers are created equal and may skew the data
: (skewness being apparently another issue)

Just make sure they approach the anglers with the attitude that the 
surveyors are intruding and that the anglers are doing them a favor.  It 
also helps to make it clear that the surveyors are *not* law enforcement 
officials.  Cooperation will be enhanced if this is clear.

: >        Also, I know, make sure there is adequate fishing pressure to get 
: >sufficient sample size for analysis!!

: Please clarify, we will be examining the exploitation of chinook and sockeye
: primarily, so i suppose this falls somewhat under some of the assumptions
: regarding mixed stock fisheries.

All I am saying is that I did a creel survey on a river that had very few 
anglers.  I spent a couple of days on the river for 6 hours without 
seeing a fisherman.  Saturdays at that.

					-jamie (salmo@student.umass.edu)


From Flyfisher@netcom.com Tue May 30 23:07:10 EDT 1995
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In article <3qd47j$q5k@news4.primenet.com>,
   boylel@Primenet.Com (Lee Boyle) wrote:
[lot's of paranoid bullshit thrown in the circular file]

Would you morons PLEASE keep your rantings and ravings out of newsgroups that 
couldn't give a damn what you have to say? Specifically, 
rec.outdoors.fishing.fly and sci.bio.fisheries?

Feel free to continue with your special brand of garbage flinging - 
alt.flame and alt.conspiracy needs nutbugs like you to stay in business.

But just because you have an apparently acute electrolyte imbalance doesn't 
mean you need to spam innocent conferences with your billious spewings....

We thank you for your support...You may now continue with your oxygen 
depletion program (idiots!)


From hluce@netcom.com Tue May 30 23:07:11 EDT 1995
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jed@vulcan.earth.nwu.edu (John DeLaughter) writes:

>In article <020304Z29051995@anon.penet.fi> an113354@anon.penet.fi writes:
>>
>>
>>So far nobody has explained to me how P-waves can show up on a trace
>>done by a device recording mainly S-waves, and have an amplitutde
>>which is *bigger* than the one from genuine S-waves. Yes, there can be
>>some cross influence between the two kinds of waves, but the
>>phenomenon would only be marginal.

>Ok, let me give this a swing.  I am not a full-time seismologist; right
>now I'm researching coronae and geoid functions.  However, my master's
>thesis dealt with earthquake statistics.  And, even better, I have at
>hand three (out of many, many more) texts that *show* seismic traces
>recorded on the same type of equipment as that located in Norman.

>In _Earthquake Interpretation: A Manual for Reading Seismograms_ (R.B.
>Simon, 1981), there are several exxamples of seismic traces which include
>both P- and S-waves.  There are even several that show LQ and LR.
>See pp.24-25, 36-37, 39, 41, 47... Heck, look at just about any page in
>the book!

>In _Introduction to Geophysical Prospecting_ (M.B. Dobrin and C. H. Savit,
>1988), there is a very good description of how seismic waves propogate 
>(Ch 2) and another on the type of instruments that are used to record
>seismic traces (Ch 3).  Admittedly, this book is geared more toward
>exploration seismology that toward earthquake seismology and so gives
>more room to typical exploration geophones but, as one professor of mine
>used to say, "The math don't care!"  There is also a nice discussion
>of the growing use of S-waves in seismic surveys.

>And, in _The Solid Earth: An Introduction to Global Geophysics_ (C. M. R.
>Fowler, 1990), there are again several examples of both P- and S-waves 
>arriving on the same instrument (pp. 96-97), as well as a good, basic 
>discussion of seismic propogation.

>In short, as long as you continue to argue that a seismometer can only
>recieve P- or S- waves, and not both all types of properly oriented
>waves, you will reveal the vast depths of your ignorance in the field.

 The point that this guy probably wants to bring up, but can't, since he
 doesn't know too much, is that a bomb explosion at ground level produces
 P-waves almost exclusively. The energy comes from a (relatively) point
 source, and is compressional in nature. There is no slippage along fault
 lines which would give rise to shearing forces, and from what I've been
 able to find out, the sandstone underlying OKC and Norman is fairly iso-
 tropic, that is, the waves which travel through it, do so with equal speed
 in all directions. These two facts would tend to rule out S-wave production
 by the P-wave as it travels through the sandstone.

 So what we see on the seismographic data from FNO at between 9:00:52 and
 9:02:25 CDT on 19 April 1995 can be ascribed to P-waves, Rayleigh waves,
 and surface acoustic waves alone. I've run through the calculations before
 and am not interested in repeating them here. Perhaps Mr Rivero has archived
 them.

 The recent demolition of the AMFB rules out the impulse of the building
 striking the ground as a cause for the second major event on the 19th of
 April, by the way.

 So now, it looks like there are very few reasonable alternative explanations
 for the second major event, save for the P-waves from a second explosion.

 Anyone care to refute this?

 If so, please provide your data and show your math....

>John DeLaughter


From cwlockett@aol.com Tue May 30 23:07:13 EDT 1995
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From: cwlockett@aol.com (CW Lockett)
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Subject: Chattahoochee River, Georgia U.S.
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Having grown up on the Potomac River, once named the foulest in the U.S.,
and now making a comeback thanks to Clean Water Act and other measure, it
disheartens me to no end to know that fish for 50 miles downstream of
Atlanta are inedible. Does anyone here work with the Georgia Riverkeeper
or know anyone who does? I'm interested in canoeing the whole river 300+
miles - it empties into the Gulf of Mexico - and want to know if anyone
would like to arrange a deal where I could be part of any studies of water
purity, pesticide runoff, etc. over the length of the river.

Email me, I'll fill you in on my background.

Thanks in advance,
Chris Lockett


From southdar@tyrell.net Tue May 30 23:07:15 EDT 1995
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In article <020304Z29051995@anon.penet.fi>,
Michel <an113354@anon.penet.fi> wrote:
>
>carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU foams:
>>boylel@Primenet.Com (Lee Boyle) writes:
>>=A textbook paranoid personality ranted:
>
>It's amazing how predictable these gummint apologetics all are! If
>they can't dispute the facts any longer, they resort to name calling,
>and question the mental sanity of their opponents.

.........material omitted
That is what a person, who claims to be an alien abductee and that
the governemnt is killing people to cover up the Roswell Incident, 
keeps telling me when I dispute his claims about UFOs.  His chief 
argument for a conspiracy is the lack of evidence, because only a
conspiritorial coverup could produce such a lack of evidence. 

However, the burning question that I have is why this thread is posted to;
rec.outdoors.fishing.fly and sci.bio.fisheries?  Were the Fish and 
Wildlife people in on this?

Sincerely Yours
Darby South
Baton Rouge.


From salmo@titan.oit.umass.edu Tue May 30 23:07:16 EDT 1995
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From: salmo@titan.oit.umass.edu (James J Montgomery)
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Subject: dead brown trout. necropsy?
Date: 31 May 1995 02:51:59 GMT
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Hey all,

	Today I  found a dead brown trout in a stream that I spend a lot 
of time on.  It had just recently died, as rigor mortis hadn't set in 
yet.  The fish was 13" long (big for this small river), wild, male (kype) 
and in excellent condition.  There was no evidence of hooking injury, nor 
any open wounds from birds, etc.   This fish had two bleach marks on his 
dorsal side, on anterior to his dorsal fin and one posterior to it.  the 
marks were perhaps a quarter inch by half inch.  The distal ends of each 
of his fins were also bleached out, perhaps the the distal fifth or 
quarter.  The pool he was in had recently been stocked with rainbow 
trout.  Does anyone have any idea what caused this fish's death?


				-jamie (salmo@student.umass.edu)


From rdebay@vnet.ibm.com Wed Jun 21 23:20:51 EDT 1995
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In <D9CGuC.9Lz@tyrell.net>, southdar@tyrell.net (southdar) writes:
>In article <020304Z29051995@anon.penet.fi>,
>Michel <an113354@anon.penet.fi> wrote:
>>
>>carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU foams:
>>>boylel@Primenet.Com (Lee Boyle) writes:

[snip]

>However, the burning question that I have is why this thread is posted to;
>rec.outdoors.fishing.fly and sci.bio.fisheries?  Were the Fish and 
>Wildlife people in on this?

Any good conspiracist knows that BATF REALLY stands for the
             Bureau of Anglers and Trout Fisherman.
Do you think it a coincidence that the supposed bomb was assembled
at a local lake?  Hmmm?

>Sincerely Yours
>Darby South
>Baton Rouge.


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From payne@winnie.fit.edu Wed Jun 21 23:20:53 EDT 1995
Article: 318 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: payne@winnie.fit.edu (Ronald Payne)
Subject: Re: Dissolved oxygen test
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In article <3qiahu$334@eaglecap.eosc.osshe.edu> twelch@emily.eosc.osshe.edu (Tim Welch) writes:
>
>We are looking for a dissolved oxygen test that is easier than the Winkler
>method. Anyone have any ideas?
>
> --
>PEERS Project Media Specialist          All I know is that I know nothing
>                                        and I am not even sure of that.
>EOSC LaGrande, OR                       Socrates  
>twelch@eose.osshe.edu

Have you considered electronic DO probes.

-- 
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From The_Midget@coffee.urn.edu Wed Jun 21 23:20:53 EDT 1995
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Tom FRY wrote:
>Logical questions - how did this fucking swine decide that
>rec.outdoors.fishing.fly was a fine place to post his drivel? Please in
>future confine your hooey to
>alt.frightening.cocksuckers.with.guns.and.no.balls.and.definitely.no.brains
>and leave *this* forum to fishermen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, this anonymous cocksucker *is* fishing (or trolling, as we
prefer to say over here in alt.folklore.urban). Apologies to the
freshwater fishers who prefer to catch trouts, carps and other
non-virtual fish. But then, naming a newsfroup *.*.fishing.* is
looking for trouble: a little bit like revealing your secret spots :-)

And now, a small best-of list of the catch, intended for the sensible
people who killfiled the thread long ago:

Good observer award to atticus@mindspring.com for recognizing this
thread for what it was. But why did he get caught later?

Worst troubleshooter award to our beloved carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU,
for blaming an extra "i", a missing "a" and a missing "m" on a sticky
"e" key on his terminal :-)

Subtle joke award to HorsebackRider@netcom.com for posting a triple
grep bait, disguised as a "get out of this group" message.
(Un)fortunately, nobody fell for it. How many search strings can you
find?

Lame computer/real-world analogy award to carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU
(again) for comaparing the relationship between computers and their
operating system to the relationship between a GM truck and a TV set
that it happens to transport. When I look under the hood of my GM
truck, I find an engine, not a TV! But maybe the TV set is right beside
the VIN on the rear axle :-)

Best psychologer award to boylel@Primenet.Com. He stuck to his guns,
even after the troller predicted that he would again psychoanalyse
him. Stuck to his guns? But he is a "gummint apologetic" (tm) !

Goedel award to mpage@magi.com. After the fisherman predicted somebody
would again challenge his mental sanity, she went ahead went and
challenged his physical sanity...


Followups redirected to alt.folklore.urban (where this belongs),
alt.test (some fish will jump right into my basket!) and bburg.bev.general
(see below).

A few hints for the victims:
- Annoyed by posts in irrelevant froups? Use killfiles!
- Annoyed by being tricked to post into irrelevant froups? Use a
newsreader (such as tin) which warns you about multiple froups when
posting. Unfortunately there is no newsreader yet which warns you
about keyword. But fortunately keywords cannot be used with anon postings.
- Annoyed by offensive articles showing up in local newsfroups of your
peaceful and idyllic hometown? Maybe it's because you tried to censor
free speech by banning certain newsfroups from sid town? (sorry, I
have a sticky "e" key). Alt.conspiracy is like a ouija board: you can't
get rid of it. If you throw it out of the window, it comes back
through the front door!


 The Midget (tm)


From djones@rsmas.miami.edu Wed Jun 21 23:20:54 EDT 1995
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Subject: Re: Fish Length & Weight Measuring
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In article <3qhj2o$n1q@noc.tor.hookup.net>, 
rpb@hookup.net says...
>
>I am conducting a survey on what type of 
international market there is
>for an improved method, say an electronic method, for 
quickly and
>efficiently getting fish length, weight, species 
codes, and specimen
>attributes from the field into a a computer without 
the need for a
>paper/pen methodology.
>
>If a person could collect large numbers of fish 
lengths and have them
>computer ready within minutes, would anybody be 
interested?
>
>Thanks
>
>Ray.

I'm not sure what type of market exists for such 
devices, but there are already electronic units 
currently available which lets one rapidly record fish 
lengths and then download the data into a computer for 
storage and analysis...very similar to the digital 
calipers currently available.

Dave



From abrunett@ix.netcom.com Wed Jun 21 23:20:55 EDT 1995
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Would all of you conspiracy fans please clean up your posting list? 

alt.horses,rec.outdoors.fishing.fly, sci.bio.fisheries really are not
relevant to or interested in this line of discussion.  Have some
manners, please.




From grenard@herpmed.com Wed Jun 21 23:20:56 EDT 1995
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From scaldwell@dow.com Wed Jun 21 23:20:58 EDT 1995
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From: scaldwell@dow.com (stevec)
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Subject: Re: Dissolved oxygen test
Date: 1 Jun 1995 14:04:30 GMT
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In article <3qiahu$334@eaglecap.eosc.osshe.edu>, twelch@emily.eosc.osshe.edu (Tim Welch) writes:
>
>We are looking for a dissolved oxygen test that is easier than the Winkler
>method. Anyone have any ideas?
>
> --
>PEERS Project Media Specialist          All I know is that I know nothing
>                                        and I am not even sure of that.
>EOSC LaGrande, OR                       Socrates  
>twelch@eose.osshe.edu

Depends. I have worked with activated sludge wastetreatment systems and found
that meters are the way to go, but you get what you pay for, usually. They can
be a trick lot! One of the problems with using a meter is that you have to know
something about the total dissolved solids in the the water you want to measure 
oxygen in if you want a really accurate measurement. Unlike the classical
Winkler test where you use a known volume of water and then determine the
milligrams of oxygen in it, you are measuring the partial pressure of oxygen
dissolved in the water as a function of its percent saturation. Temperature and
dissolved solids affect the saturation concentration. Many of the available
probes are temperature compensated, and some have a "compensation" adjustment
for salinity ( a form of TDS) to adjust an air calibration for the change in
saturation concentration from chlorinity. 

The BIGGIE is the calibration procedure chosen. We found in our research that
there were two acceptable approaches for us. The first was to calibrate the
probe to read 100% saturation or some arbitrary concentration, like 8 ppm, in a
sample of the water that had been filtered and aerated vigorously. Then the
sample was measured and the other critical parameters (temperature and TDS)
were measured. TDS was measured in filtered sample using a refractometer. The
actual O2 was then calculated on a PC using the equations given in "Standard
Methods for Examination of Water and Wastewater". This worked well for
evaluating samples that varied a lot from one another. The second method was
to calibrate in air using a table created on the PC that corrected for
temperature and TDS.

If your samples don't vary a lot, a **well maintained** probe is very
convenient to use and may give you the relief your looking for. If you have
samples that vary in composition a lot, or you must conform to some particular
protocol, it may not be the answer. As long as I was working in wastewater
treatment research, we never were able to totally resolve differences between
the Winkler test and the electrode. We chose to use the electrode.

A lot of companies make good probes, but one word of caution. My experience
with the Leeds & Northrup / L G Nester probes was that when they fail, they
don't fail catastrophically. It has been about 6 yrs since I used them, but it
was perplexing at first. The probe would begin to drift a lot, then one day we
would discover that the probe was not responding to step changes in
concentration, even though it appeared to calibrate. I liked the units, and 
if they have fixed the problem or have a procedure for identifying a failing
probe, I would recommend the units.

Your needs might be met with a standard Clark oxygen electrode, like the YSI
units use. These are used by a lot of folks, and were not as expensive as the 
L&N units were at the time I was using them. We were working with with a really
tough system - hot brine in an pure oxygen activated sludge system. It was a
trip.

I know this is long, but just to offer a simple answer might be misleading.

Steve 


From neiln@pinn.nacjack.gen.nz Wed Jun 21 23:20:59 EDT 1995
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From: neiln@pinn.nacjack.gen.nz (Neil Newman)
Subject: Re: Why so few BATF agents in OK Federal Building
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In <3qcsuc$rl@news.acns.nwu.edu> jed@vulcan.earth.nwu.edu (John DeLaughter) writes:

>In short, as long as you continue to argue that a seismometer can only
>recieve P- or S- waves, and not both all types of properly oriented
>waves, you will reveal the vast depths of your ignorance in the field.

>John DeLaughter

Would the person who keeps shuffling the postings to this thread^H^Hflamewar
into random order before despatching them to the Pinnacle Club please desist?
It is very confusing and makes my colander itch.
Also, if there is anyone out there who has any idea what the *fark* John
is going on about, would they kindly leave?
Thank you.

Neil "Whose depth of ignorance extends at least to the *Moho*" Newman
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From seacsea@halcyon.com Wed Jun 21 23:21:00 EDT 1995
Article: 325 of sci.bio.fisheries
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Could someone please tell me where a good source on open ocean
fisheries is?

	Jonathan




From nlowry@inet.uni-c.dk Wed Jun 21 23:21:01 EDT 1995
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From: nlowry@inet.uni-c.dk (Nicholas Lowry)
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Subject: Re: Fish Length & Weight Measuring
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Raymond P. Burkholder (rpb@hookup.net) wrote:
: I am conducting a survey on what type of international market there is
: for an improved method, say an electronic method, for quickly and
: efficiently getting fish length, weight, species codes, and specimen
: attributes from the field into a a computer without the need for a
: paper/pen methodology.

: If a person could collect large numbers of fish lengths and have them
: computer ready within minutes, would anybody be interested?

: Thanks

: Ray.

: ---------
: Raymond P. Burkholder            Computer Consultant
: Burkholder Technical Services    rpb@hookup.net
: Kitchener, ON

: "Data latency .. is defined as anything greater than 83 ps/inch
: ( the speed of light )"  Ray Alderman in EET.

We collect lots of this sort of data. We try computer methods every now 
and then and always come back to the good old measuring board for 
recording lengths and put this data into a computer from the paper copy. 
The problem is that most sophisticated measuring units fall to bits on a 
trawler in the North Sea in a gale, or are too big to install on anything 
but a research vessel (A new french boat has a system I believe) 

Now If anyone came up with a good system we'd jump at it. We might even 
help to develop one if you asked nicely :-)

Nick.
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From drowan@nmsu.edu Wed Jun 21 23:21:03 EDT 1995
Article: 327 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: drowan@nmsu.edu (Don E. Rowan)
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Subject: Cluster Analysis
Date: 3 Jun 1995 23:38:49 GMT
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Does anyone out there have a name and author of a good, current, 
statistical reference on cluster analysis?  please forward comments to my 
e-mail (drowan@nmsu.edu)


From akim@sun.lclark.edu Wed Jun 21 23:21:04 EDT 1995
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From: akim@sun.lclark.edu (Anthony Kim)
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Subject: naive q. re fish oxygen
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Please excuse this hopelessly naive query, but are fish able to capture 
the O's in H2O as their source of oxygen?  I have been told by somebody 
who raises fish that stagnant water loses its oxygen value for fish.  I 
recognize that this sounds correct, but how is this so?  Can one store 
water, say in a frozen state, thaw it and then use it as a source of 
oxygen for fish?
I apologize once again for these questions.  I realize that I could go 
out and spend hours looking this stuff up, but suspect that some one here 
has it on tip of fingers.


From burrows@bcu.ubc.ca Wed Jun 21 23:21:05 EDT 1995
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From: burrows@bcu.ubc.ca (Jeff Burrows)
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Subject: Re: naive q. re fish oxygen
Date: 15 Jun 1995 06:52:45 GMT
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Anthony Kim <akim@sun.lclark.edu> wrote:
>are fish able to capture 
>the O's in H2O as their source of oxygen?

No. Fish use oxygen that has dissolved in the water.
Aquatic plants provide some, but mainly it comes out of
air.

>I have been told by somebody who raises fish that stagnant water loses
>its oxygen value for fish.  I recognize that this sounds correct, but
>how is this so?

The bacteria that consume dead algae use up oxygen.
They can use up all the oxygen in fact, in a pond or lake.
Warm water holds less oxygen than cold water.
Depends what 'stagnant' means.

>Can one store water, say in a frozen state, thaw it and then use it as
>a source of oxygen for fish?

Can't see why not. 

If you want to know more, check out _Limnology_ by RG Wetzel,
chapter 9 "Oxygen."

	-Jeff.


From dbonar@olympus.net Wed Jun 21 23:21:06 EDT 1995
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From: dbonar@olympus.net (Dale B. Bonar)
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Subject: Re: Wanted:  Fish Clipart
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In article <3rlc0d$d4k@news.tamu.edu>,
   "Shepherd R. Grimes" <sgrimes@wfscgate.tamu.edu> wrote:
>In addition to files available as corel draw clip art the National Marine 
>Fisheries Service has several hundred fish species images (black and 
>white only) available in a compressed tiff format.  I have these images 
>myself at work and would be more than glad to provide you with the 
>information as to how you can obtain them and how much it will set you 
>back, or I can place some of them at our ftp site for you to get.  
>I'm sorry I cannot inform you as to which ones on you list are 
>included but at present I am at home.  Please email me if you are still 
>interested.
>

I suspect this information is of substantial interest to many others than 
myself and would like to see the info posted here.  Thanks!
Dale


From marifh@rosa.nbr.no Wed Jun 21 23:21:07 EDT 1995
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Anthony Kim (akim@sun.lclark.edu) wrote:
: Please excuse this hopelessly naive query, but are fish able to capture 
: the O's in H2O as their source of oxygen?  I have been told by somebody 
: who raises fish that stagnant water loses its oxygen value for fish.  I 
: recognize that this sounds correct, but how is this so?  Can one store 
: water, say in a frozen state, thaw it and then use it as a source of 
: oxygen for fish?
: I apologize once again for these questions.  I realize that I could go 
: out and spend hours looking this stuff up, but suspect that some one here 
: has it on tip of fingers.

The oxygen in H2O is not available to any fish. The fish uses dissolved 
oxygen O2.

T.Pedersen


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From: "Kenneth D. Ham" <hamkd@ornl.gov>
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Regarding the NMFS fish images:

I think some of the images you are referring to are available on the web at

<http://kingfish.ssp.nmfs.gov/fish.html>

The title of this document suggests that it concentrates on southeast fishes. There 
may be other regions in another location, but I haven't checked.

Kenneth Ham




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For a project defining "best practices" lake management, I would be interested
in hearing any suggestions of techniques and/or references regarding control
of milfoil sp. (especially). And are there clear ways to tell the difference
between milfoil spp, since aquatic biologists have identified the same samples
as diff species.... The focus is on weed control, but exotic fauna are also a
problem the project addresses.

Thanks.

Any replies would be appreciated--to me or by e-mail to mmattson@resgs.umass.edu
who is actually doing the project.

--John
jrc@tei.umass.edu


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From: "A.J.Cann" <nna@le.ac.uk>
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akim@sun.lclark.edu (Anthony Kim) wrote:
>Can one store water, say in a frozen state, thaw it and then use it as > a source of oxygen for fish?

Freezing water, like boiling it, tends to drive out most of the dissolved oxygen, or more accurately, AIR (look at those air bubbles=
 in the ice cubes in your martini). It would probably be best to mechanically reoxygenate thawed water before using it for fish.

Dr Alan J. Cann  PhD,   Department of Microbiology & Immunology,
University of Leicester,  P.O. Box 138,  Medical Sciences Building,
University Road, Leicester LE1 9HN,  UK.
Email: nna@le.ac.uk     http://www.le.ac.uk/CWIS/AD/MI/ST/nna.html




From sgrimes@wfscgate.tamu.edu Wed Jun 21 23:21:11 EDT 1995
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From: "Shepherd R. Grimes" <sgrimes@wfscgate.tamu.edu>
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Information on the tiff images mentioned in one of my earlier postings 
(how to order them etc.)and a hard copy of what they look like may 
obtained through contacting: 

National Marine Fisheries Service
Southeast Fisheries Science Center
75 Virginia Beach Drive
Miami, FL 33149

The report itself is cited as:

Massey, Larry L. and Douglass Harper. 1993. Selected computer images of  
      southeastern U.S.marine fishes. NOAA Technical Memorandum          
      NMFS-SEFSC-333, 49pp.

Species (by common name) include the following:

albacore                 American eel
Atlantic bonito          Atlantic bumper
Atlantic cutlassfish     Atlantic mackerel
ballyhoo                 bandtail puffer
barbfish                 Bermuda chub
bigeye scad              black drum
black margate            black sea bass
blue runner              blue tang
bluefish                 bluestriped grunt
bonefish                 cero
chub mackerel            common snook
coral scorpionfish       crevalle jack
croaker                  freckled soapfish
French angelfish         frigate mackerel
fringed flounder         gafftopsail catfish
gag                      goosehead scorpionfish
grass porgy              gray snapper
great barracuda          gulf menhaden
hardhead catfish         hogfish
honycomb cowfish         horned dogfish
horse-eye jack           houndfish
inshore lizardfish       jewfish
jolthead porgy           king mackerel
ladyfish                 lane snapper
lined sole               little tunny
littlehead porgy         longspine porgy
lookdown                 margate
moonfish                 mountain mullet
mutton snapper           nurse shark
palometa                 permit
pigfish                  pinfish
planehead filefish       plumed scorpionfish
porcupinefish            porkfish
queen snapper            rainbow parrotfish
red drum                 red grouper
red porgy                red snapper
rock hind                sailfin blenny
sailors choice           sand perch
sand whiff               saucereye porgy
schoolmaster             scup
sergeant major           sharksucker
sheepshead porgy         sheepshead
silverstripe halfbeak    skipjack tuna
slippery dick            smallmouth grunt
smalltooth sawfish       smooth dogfish
smooth puffer            smooth trunkfish
southern flounder        Spanish mackerel
spinycheek sleeper       spot
spottail pinfish         spotted eagle ray
spotted moray            spotted seatrout
striped bass             striped burrfish 
striped mullet           surf eel
tarpon                   tomtate
tripletail               trumpetfish
trunkfish                vermilion snapper
warsaw grouper           white grunt
white mullet             white-eye goby
whiting                  yellowtail snapper


I hope this proves useful to some of you.

Thanks,

Shep Grimes



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I would like to have the names of any fisheries, aquacultur or other fish 
oriented public companies.

Thanks

Sebastien Demers
Sebastien_demers@mindlink.bc.ca




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In <DA4pME.3xJ@microsoft.com> toneys@microsoft.com (Toney Sisk) writes:

>I want to build a spawning channel on a small lake.
>The inlet is small, about a yard across. I want to 
>use log weirs with notches and little else.  How
>far apart should the logs be?  How far should they
>extend into the bank, and how anchored?  How big a pool
>should I expect will be developed if I do things right?
>Will I need to bring in gravel for improving the spawning
>bed, or will the weirs clean them out for me?

>If you have some answers to steer me in the right direction,
>great.  Or maybe you know a book title that details spawning
>channel construction.

>toney  


toney,

Unfortunately, you forgot to inform us as to what species of fish you wish
to encourage in your spawning channel.  Some information about gradient and
flow rate in the incoming stream might also be useful.-- 
				|
Dave Fluri			|	"No me agaro ya de nada, para
North Bay, Ontario, Canada	|	 asi no tener nada que defender."
				|		-Carlos Castaneda


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In designing spawning channels for chum salmon, we (WDFW) have been using 
clean, washed rounded gravel of the following gradation:

     40%   1/4" - 3/4"
     45%   3/4" - 1 1/2"
     15%   1 1/2" - 3"

One of the biologists here has heard that the Canadians are finding increased
egg-to-fry survival when pit- or river-run material is used.  Can anyone 
corroborate this and provide a citation or contact so that I can follow up??

Thanks,

Kevin Lautz, PE
Habitat Program
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife



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In article <3qai5s$pl@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU foams:
>In article <3qacs6$s7q@news.primenet.com>, boylel@Primenet.Com (Lee Boyle) writes:
>=A textbook paranoid personality ranted:

It's amazing how predictable these gummint apologetics all are! If
they can't dispute the facts any longer, they resort to name calling,
and question the mental sanity of their opponents.

>=>
>=> You forgot my small surprise quizz, to prove that at least you know
>=>something about VAXen :)
>=>
>=
>=This side attack is quite revealing. 

Ah, the pop psychoanalysis continues. Probably so that he can claim
that it's not an ad hominem attack but rather the result of a careful
deduction.

>= Do you care at all about convicing
>=people that the bombing was a dark conspiracy, or do you just like
>=pretending that you know more than anybody else? 

I care about convincing that the bombing was a conspiracy, but in
this occasion I just wanted to make fun of somebody's stupid
signature.

>= I'm sure you find it
>=very comforting in the short term, but it doesn't really address your
>=underlying need for acceptance.  
>=
>=Is there somebody that you can talk to about this?
 Psychoanalysis again.

>
>To respond toi his sid quiz, it was yet another example of his babbling.  I

Aren't we getting a little bit nervous here? Spelling errors can be
quite revealing. (Sorry for the psychoing...)

>claim to understand VAXen and VMS.  His "quiz" had little to do with either:  I                                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>was a question about a security bug in an O/S other than VMS that happened to
>run on VAXen.
        ^^^
Isn't there a small contradiction here? (Not that it is relevant to
the bombing, I'm just picking nits...)

So far nobody has explained to me how P-waves can show up on a trace
done by a device recording mainly S-waves, and have an amplitutde
which is *bigger* than the one from genuine S-waves. Yes, there can be
some cross influence between the two kinds of waves, but the
phenomenon would only be marginal.

Of course Carl will respond that I don't really understand the words
I write. Probable candidates are the words ad hominem, S-wave, P-wave,
psychoanalysis, and why not VAXen and VMS. Probably I'm just a team of
monkeys banging away at my keyboard. Hey, a few more candidate words.

Probably lots of other people will try to find comfort by showing
their pop knowlege of psychology.

Of course people don't want to appear to be predictable (sorry for the
psychoing), and will try to react differently. Or maybe some won't get
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From seliason@awod.com Wed Jun 21 23:21:18 EDT 1995
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In article <D9tJMC.5II@ritz.mordor.com>, joseph@ritz.mordor.com (Joseph Limandri) says:
>
>Joseph Limandri (joseph@ritz.mordor.com) wrote:

>: Pond #2:
>: Blue gills and other feed
>: Small mouth bass
>: Perch
>: Channel catfish
>: Pike/muskie (about 30 of one of them)
>: Gold fish
>:       I think the small mouth would make for a longer fishing season at 
>: the pond since they don't mind the colder water.  The only problem is I 
>: am not sure how deep to make it for the small mouths and how to ensure 
>: that they will spawn.  I am also not sure whether if I need to put sand 
>or rocks to assure they spawn.
>:       Your advice/opinion will be appreciated


  Hi,

  We successfully spawned Smallmouth this past season in a large raceway
so my theory is that they will spawn in the pond given the right 
substrate.  You can do this very easily and it won't cost a lot of money
either.  Get some 1" PVC pipe, 4 elbows, and some black fiberglass screen.  
Build a 2' X 2" square and use contact cement to attach the screen to fit
tight around the square.  Cover the screen with river rock and place the
nest in about 4' of water.  They will spawn on the nests. Put out as many 
as you like and re-use them year after year.

Hope this helps,

-Steve-


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Is there any one who is interested in growing abalonies in Iceland?

If you are then contackt me.  karlst@itn.is




From rdiehl@uiuc.edu Wed Jun 21 23:21:20 EDT 1995
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To Whom it may concern,

I am interested in responding to the original question asked earlier
concerning creels.  I am currently running the creel survey for the
Illinois Department of Conservation and would be happy to answer any
questions.

P.J. Perea

Please respond to me at p-perea@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu


From jackson@zoo.toronto.edu Wed Jun 21 23:21:21 EDT 1995
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From: jackson@zoo.toronto.edu (Donald Jackson)
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In article <3rrogr$d3@ipgate.le.ac.uk> "A.J.Cann" <nna@le.ac.uk> writes:
>akim@sun.lclark.edu (Anthony Kim) wrote:
>>Can one store water, say in a frozen state, thaw it and then use it as > a source of oxygen for fish?
>
>Freezing water, like boiling it, tends to drive out most of the dissolved oxygen, or more accurately, AIR (look at those air bubbles=
> in the ice cubes in your martini). It would probably be best to mechanically reoxygenate thawed water before using it for fish.

Given the amount of energy required to freeze the water in the first
place, it would be far more efficient to simply aerate in a mechanical
fashion.  In fact, it would probably be less expensive venting pure
oxygen gas into the water than to use some kind of freezing approach.

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In addition to files available as corel draw clip art the National Marine 
Fisheries Service has several hundred fish species images (black and 
white only) available in a compressed tiff format.  I have these images 
myself at work and would be more than glad to provide you with the 
information as to how you can obtain them and how much it will set you 
back, or I can place some of them at our ftp site for you to get.  
I'm sorry I cannot inform you as to which ones on you list are 
included but at present I am at home.  Please email me if you are still 
interested.



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I am a High School teacher who wants a group of jokes, riddles, puns, 
etc. that relates to physical and/or biological oceanography which can be 
used to entertain and interest high school marine ecology students. 
For example: What tool could you use to saw the ocean in half? A sea saw!

ok, ok, how about "What do you call an eye doctor living in the Bering 
Straits? An optical Aleutian!!

Good humor or bad humor, all is appreciated! Thanks! 

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Phillip Cox   Email:coxx9100@spacelink.msfc.nasa.gov




From salmo@swcp.com Wed Jun 21 23:21:24 EDT 1995
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From: salmo@swcp.com (Lee Lewis)
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Subject: Re: naive q. re fish oxygen
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A worthy inquiry, but H2O is not an available souce of O2 for fish.
Oxygen is dissolved in water, and stagnant water will undergo many
conditions dependent on temperture, primary productivity,
decomposition, and nutrient imput.  I suggest you obtain a textbook on
limnology such as Wetzel and go from there.  Good luck!




akim@sun.lclark.edu (Anthony Kim) wrote:

>Please excuse this hopelessly naive query, but are fish able to capture 
>the O's in H2O as their source of oxygen?  I have been told by somebody 
>who raises fish that stagnant water loses its oxygen value for fish.  I 
>recognize that this sounds correct, but how is this so?  Can one store 
>water, say in a frozen state, thaw it and then use it as a source of 
>oxygen for fish?
>I apologize once again for these questions.  I realize that I could go 
>out and spend hours looking this stuff up, but suspect that some one here 
>has it on tip of fingers.

Lee Lewis



From dw137@umail.umd.edu Wed Jun 21 23:21:25 EDT 1995
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From: dw137@umail.umd.edu (Dave Wolf)
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I am a recent grad (Dec. 1993)  with a dgree in marine biology. I would
like to pursue a career in aquaculture..probably inverts(oysters). I am
seeking advice on the best way to go abuot this.
What are the best MS programs out there?
Is an MS what I want?
What other kinds of training are available?
Any other advice?
Responses by e-mail would be great but please put my name..Hans.. in the
subject line so it gets into my mailbox.

Thank You in advance
Hans Lemke

____________________________________________________________________
Dave Wolf
AVHRR Land Pathdfinder Coor.
University of Maryland at College Park
Department of Geography
dw137@umail.umd.edu


From carey@magicnet.net Thu Jun 22 23:05:26 EDT 1995
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  I have been told by somebody 
>who raises fish that stagnant water loses its oxygen value for fish.  I 

Dissolved oxygen is measured on a scale of 0-12ppm.  During the 
day plants produce oxygen and use carbon dioxide 
(photosynthesis).  At night the opposite occurrs.  The level of 
dissolved oxygen can be influenced by these factors as well as 
many others ie. decomposing materials use oxygen, warmer 
temperatures hold less oxygen, a cloudy day.



From sisk@scn.org Thu Jun 22 23:05:29 EDT 1995
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I've heard the small mouth bass are under stress
now because it is very difficult or impossible
to breed them in a hatchery, and their habitat
is fast dwindling (small wonder).  Is this true?
I just love catching and releasing these hearty fighters.


From torhundst@login.eunet.no Fri Jun 23 22:49:30 EDT 1995
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From: torhundst@login.eunet.no (Tor Hundstad)
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I'm translating an episode of Quincy, and I'd like to know if the fish 
"Slender tuna" or Alothinus sellae (probably misspelt, I had to take it by 
ear). Quincy says that a school of them came in to L.A., and that is supposed 
to be something very rare.

I'd like replies to my other mail adress: torh@oslonett.no, because I usually 
haven't access to the adress I'm using now. Answers will be greatly 
appreciated. Thank you very much.


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           Tor with the hammer, the Newfie and the Mastiff.            
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From wmaples@sun.cc.westga.edu Thu Jul  6 12:02:31 EDT 1995
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From: wmaples@sun.cc.westga.edu (Bill Maples)
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Back in the 1930's and 40's my father was a commercial fisherman on the 
Missouri River, Jefferson City, Missouri; not a good living by any means.  But 
I do have pleasant memories of feeling large fish on "trotlines".  Strict laws 
governed the length and numbers of trotlines in addition to the number of 
hooks.  In addition, only certain fish were legal for sale: Carp, Buffolo, 
German Buffolo, Mud Catfish, Yellow Catfish, Flat-head Catfish, Blue Catfish, 
Drum, Sturgeon, Gar, and Eel. We would often catch Spoonbill Catfish, Channel 
Catfish, and Jack Salmon, but these could only be sold on the "black market". 
Finally, the questions.

1.  Does the Missouri River still support commercial fishing?
2.  If so, what legal limitations are set for method of fishing.
3.  What fish are given commercial status.
4.  What are the correct names of the fish delineated above.

Just reminiscing.

Bill  


From kohuts@bnr.ca Thu Jul  6 12:02:34 EDT 1995
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I am the chair person of the fish & wildlife committee for 
our lake association in eastern Ontario.
Our lake  has both natural & stocked lake trout in it.
We have noticed over the years that there has been an increase
in the the amount of "slime" or algae type substance on the 
rocks through out the lake. 


       1) Will this affect the spawning of the lake trout?

       2) Is there been any studies on this subject that
          I could obtain?

       3) If this slime is affecting the spawning of the 
          lake trout is there anything that would help
          the spawning?



							thanks
							steve
-- 
                                           Steve       
                                           Mail: skohut@bnr.ca
                                           Bell-Northern Research Ltd.



From Pavilion_sub@pavilion.co.uk Thu Jul  6 12:02:37 EDT 1995
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> >In <3skhgg$t5p@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> pinto@acf4.nyu.edu (pinto) wrote: 
> >>
> >>
> >>Hi, I'm interested in learning more about fisheries and fish farming.
> >>I would like to find some reading material, books and periodicals
> >>related to fisheries. Would anyone know of a mail-order place that I
> >>could start looking at? How about names of books that give a clear
> >>understanding of this complex subject? 
> >>
> >>Thanks
> >>
> >>Trevor




Trevor,
You could try contacting Fishing News Books at:
Blackwell Science
Osney Mead
Oxford
OX2 0EL
UK

Tel +44 1865 206206
Fax +44 1865 206096

You could also contact EMAP Heighway, publishers of Fishing News
International and Fish Farming International, who would send you a couple
of sample issues on request. They are at:
EMAP Heighway
Meed House
21 John Street
London WC1N 2BP
UK

Tel +44 171 404 5513
Fax +44 171 404 9362

It is a complex subject, good luck,
Q                       <quentin@pavilion.co.uk>


From sgrimes@wfscgate.tamu.edu Thu Jul  6 12:02:38 EDT 1995
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From: "Shepherd R. Grimes" <sgrimes@wfscgate.tamu.edu>
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Subject: Commercial Fisheries Worldwide
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    I recently read a posting entitled Fish I Remember.  It discussed 
commercial species once upon a time in Missouri.  This, and the 
noticeable decline in postings to the group encouraged me to post this 
article that briefly addressed the plight of commercial fishermen, mainly 
but not exclusively within the U.S..  I hope my comments stimulate some 
discussion as this group appears to be suffering from 
"internet-slackitis".  Although I do admit, at least in academia, summer 
can be a busy catch-up time.

    Commercial fishermen across the planet have traditionally provided a 
important source of food for many people, and often times it has been 
those who are less well off who have benefitted the most.  These 
commercial operations have also created many jobs, stimulating the 
economies of the regions in which they are located.

    Now it seems that many citizens and governments, such as in 
California, Texas, Florida and potentially Louisiana have turned their 
back on commercial fishermen.  The trend now seems to be to restrict 
commercial harvest so that the more influential and economically 
important recreational fishermen can increase their harvest, or at least 
have that option.  Is this environmental protection or is it more a case 
of allocation to a more influential sector, is their a difference 
politically.  Is their no other option?  Is it true that commercial 
fishermen have done this to themselves through raping the seas?  Maybe we 
should look to Scandinavian countries who have had sustained commercial 
fisheries for longer than the U.S. has been an independent nation.  They 
appear to have had much more success in managing such common pool 
resources.  Just because something is economically and politically the 
best move, does that make it equitable???

Just something to think about.


In case you are interested these are more new regulations of commercial 
fisheries.  These were originally put together and posted to a local 
listserve type group to which I belong.

       Alabama Gill Net Limits.  On June 29,
1995, the Alabama State
Legislature unanimously approved a bill limiting
gill nets in State coastal waters to prevent an
influx of vessels prohibited from fishing in other
Gulf
States.  Alabama license applicants will have to
prove that held a valid
Alabama license for at least two years between
1989 and 1993 and prove that at least 50% of
income is earned from fishing; certain part-time
fishermen will be allowed to continue netting for
18 months.  [Assoc Press]
        .
        Rhode Island License Limitation.  On June
29, 1995, officials in
Governor Almond's office indicated that the
Governor will sign into law a measure imposing a
three-year moratorium on new commercial fishing
licenses for the State of Rhode Island; the
measure would take effect July 1,
1995. [Assoc Press]
        .
        China Closes Fishery.  On June 27, 1995,
the Chinese Bureau of
Fisheries officials announced the two-month
closure, beginning July 1, of a 14- square-mile
area in the northern East China Sea.  This is the
first Chinese marine fishery closure and seeks to
limit excessive catch of hairtail fish.
[Reuters]
        .



From vaneeck@vax1.mankato.msus.edu Thu Jul  6 12:02:40 EDT 1995
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From: Greg Van Eeckhout <vaneeck@vax1.mankato.msus.edu>
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Anyone here involved in work on Oahe reservior in SD?, if so can you 
give me any info on how the walleye and forage fish are doing with the 
water back up over the last few years? thanks Greg




From ckmcg@ahbqs.com Thu Jul  6 12:02:41 EDT 1995
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From: ckmcg@ahbqs.com (Charles McGuire)
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Info on fisheries and aquaculture:International Aquaculture Services

IAS is a provider of comprehensive technical services to entrepreneurs 
in aquaculture and fisheries industry.  IAS associates are experienced 
in design, management and national seafood marketing.

mail inquires to :

IAS 
4753 Shawnee Way
Boise, Id 83709

208-362-8618 vs
208-362-5650 fax
ckmcg@ahbqs.com



From Tim_Bekhuys@mindlink.bc.ca Thu Jul  6 12:02:43 EDT 1995
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From: Tim_Bekhuys@mindlink.bc.ca (Tim Bekhuys)
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I am a wildlife biologist interested in geting some CHEAP (ie. cheap to build) fish ladder design.  I am working on a project in B.C. Canadad which has a 5' weir of which I would like to build a laddder for Coho and potentially anadromous trout.  Thanks for your help.. Please respond by e-mail (address attached). 


From Tghynes@execpc.com Thu Jul  6 12:02:45 EDT 1995
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From: tghynes@execpc.com (Tom Hynes)
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kirst@ix.netcom.com (Douglas Kirst) wrote:

>In <3skhgg$t5p@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> pinto@acf4.nyu.edu (pinto) writes: 
>>
>>
>>Hi, I'm interested in learning more about fisheries and fish farming.
>>I would like to find some reading material, books and periodicals
>>related to fisheries. Would anyone know of a mail-order place that I
>>could start looking at? How about names of books that give a clear
>>understanding of this complex subject? 
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Trevor

>Some books that I have used that relate to Fishery Sciences are,
>"Principles of Fishery Science" by Everhart & Youngs, Cornell
>University Press, or "Fisheries Techniques" by Nielsen & Johnson, ed.,
>American Fisheries Society.  These are only a sample of the books
>available for reading.
>If you want to learn more about this subject contact the Fishery
>Educators Section of the American Fisheries Society.  

>Doug 

Doug,

Would you have a location or address for the American
Fisheries Society?



From Tghynes@execpc.com Thu Jul  6 12:02:47 EDT 1995
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From: tghynes@execpc.com (Tom Hynes)
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johnso38@muvms6.wvnet.edu wrote:

>My name is F. Wayne Johnson, M.A.  I have a Masters degree in Psychology and
>work as a supervised Psychologist at Huntington State Hospital in Huntington
>WV. I Am in the planning stages of proposing a grant to build a hatchery for
>Angelfish and Discus in my home state. I am wanting to provide a sheltered
>workshop environment for persons with mental illness that will empower them in
>daily life.  If any one has any information as to the source of plans to build
>a large hatchery using local labor please respond.
>F. Wayne Johnson, M.A.
>Milton, West Virginia

Mr. Johnson,

Look up library subjects fish et al and aquaculture.  Next
try the Department of Natural Resources (or whatever group
regulates and stewards lakes, forests, etc in your state.
Or, try calling the Soil Conservation Service in your state,
here in WI they routinely help with ponds.  Next any
University Extension and then try the state business
development group. Most state's have them and "Aqua-culture"
has been a hot button for a while now.  Hope this helps.

Tom

If none of the government routes are helpful, then try some
fishing clubs or environmental clubs.



From BS LOOI Thu Jul  6 12:02:49 EDT 1995
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From: goldnet@gcssb.po.my (LOOI Bian Seng)
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I'm looking for someone who supply artemia cysts for the aquaculture
industry. Please let me know. Thank you.


>From  LOOI Bian Seng




From rhe Thu Jul  6 12:02:51 EDT 1995
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From: R H Edwards <rhe>
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From ah194@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Thu Jul  6 12:02:53 EDT 1995
Article: 416 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: ah194@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Don McAllister)
Subject: Global fishing ground area trawled
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I am preparing a report on status of global marine
and coastal biodiversity.  Can anyone point me
to a publication that gives the total area in
square km or miles that is subject to fish/crustacean
trawling and shellfish dredging around the world,
and to a map showing such trawled areas?

Thanks for any help.

Don
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From lesson@ramlink.net Thu Jul  6 12:02:54 EDT 1995
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From: lesson@ramlink.net
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Subject: Do Muskie spawn in Dale Hollow Res.
Date: 3 Jul 1995 03:05:23 GMT
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On a recent fishing trip to Dale Hollow Res. on the Ky./ Tenn. border, I witnessed several immese Muskie.  
A dock hand that lived there told me that the reason the muskie were so large was that they were brood 
fish and that the muskie didn't breed in the lake.  The locals believe that the muskie population hampers 
the small mouth bass  population and despise the toothy predators.  They encourage keeping/killing of 
muskie under the premis that one day someone will catch the  "last" muskie in the lake.  Can anyone 
verify/refute the idea that muskie don't breed naturally in Dale Hollow.  Please e-mail me :

Jamie Marlowe

lesson@ramlink.net



From steve@srmulti.demon.co.uk Thu Jul  6 12:02:56 EDT 1995
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From: Stephen Rodgers <steve@srmulti.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: National Rivers Authority lurkers?
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Hi all,

I'm keen to find out about the state of health of my local river, the
Medway, in S.E. UK.

Are there any NRA people lurking on this this group?

Does anyone know of any Web resources dedicated to UK Rivers?

Steve


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From H.B. Thu Jul  6 12:03:00 EDT 1995
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From: H.B.
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Subject: Salmo Trutta
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Could some one tell me How does one destinguish between different species of Salmo Trutta ( Lacustris and so on.. )

H.B.




From sgronski@dewey.ed.brocku.ca Thu Jul  6 12:03:01 EDT 1995
Article: 420 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: sgronski@dewey.ed.brocku.ca (Shelley Gronski)
Subject: Info on Wetland Projects Wanted!
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I am looking for information on projects that have been started to help save the wetlands in Ontario.  They could be restoration projects, or ones that are creating new wetland habitats.  I am designing some educational resources and would like to be able to tell the students about how people are trying to prevent further destruction of our wetlands.  Thank you for your time.

--
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Brock University


From ac582@ccn.cs.dal.ca Thu Jul  6 12:03:03 EDT 1995
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From: ac582@ccn.cs.dal.ca (T J Kenchington)
Subject: Re: Global fishing ground area trawled
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Don McAllister (ah194@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:

: I am preparing a report on status of global marine
: and coastal biodiversity.  Can anyone point me
: to a publication that gives the total area in
: square km or miles that is subject to fish/crustacean
: trawling and shellfish dredging around the world,
: and to a map showing such trawled areas?

: Thanks for any help.

: Don


If any such publication exists, I would strongly recommend that it be 
disregarded. I have mapped fishing grounds off Atlantic Canada, working 
>from  extensive interviews with fishermen, and found that the areas 
actually fished were quite unlike anything that might have been guessed 
>from  previous official records. From working in various developing 
nations, I suspect that written records of their fishing grounds are even 
less reliable than the Canadian equivalent.

In short, I really doubt that any worthwhile data have been collected for 
more than a very few of the world's fisheries. And without data, any 
summary report must be worthless.

Trevor Kenchington
ac582@ccn.cs.dal.ca


From jeteske@awod.com Thu Jul  6 12:03:05 EDT 1995
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From: jeteske@awod.com (J.E. Teske)
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I am interested in any information concerning research or
on-going projects relating to mercenaria mercenaria, 
otherwise known as the quahog or hard clam.  Thanks in
advance for any info.

J.E. Teske 


From schultz@darkwing.uoregon.edu Thu Jul  6 12:03:06 EDT 1995
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From: schultz@darkwing.uoregon.edu (Stewart Schultz)
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Subject: sturgeon
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Greetings y'all,

Does anyone know if the sturgeon genus (Acipenser) is the only surviving
North American genus that originated during the time of the dinosaurs
(in this case, the Upper Cretaceous), as is sometimes claimed in the
popular press?

Thanks!

-S  schultz@darkwing.uoregon.edu


From chudobk@cc.umanitoba.ca Thu Jul  6 12:03:08 EDT 1995
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Anyone attending the 125th Annual American Fisheries Society symposium this
fall?  I would like to find a home page that gives any details on this 
symposium (e.g. an AFS or Tampa Convention Centre home page).  Also, if
you are from Tampa, or know it well, I would like to find a home page which
gives info on Tampa, Florida (other than CityNet).

For those individuals which are attending this symposium, I hope to see you there!

D. Chudobiak
University of Manitoba
Winnipeg, Manitoba
Canada


From arthurs@upei.ca Thu Jul  6 12:03:10 EDT 1995
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I am looking for the following company;

Aquasonic Electronics.... formally at 2515 Willowbrook Road,
				Suite 107, 
				Dallas Texas

I am trying to get a model AE500 Probe fixed...




From wap@inforamp.net Fri Jul 14 00:57:21 EDT 1995
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From: wap@inforamp.net (Wayne A. Powell)
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At the half-way point in the RFD period, I thought some of you might want
to know what's been going on over in news.groups without having to wade
through it.  The views expressed are my own, not exhaustively thorough,
but may be of interest to all.

Of the points expressed beneficial to the RFD and of relevance (i.e. those
dealing directly with REC.AQUARIA [and not sci.aquaria]), we have heard a
few say that they don't like renaming rec.aquaria to rec.aquaria.misc, we
have heard a few say they don't like tacking *.misc on to *.freshwater and
*.marine (no one has proposed a popular alternative other than leaving
*.misc off and having those two groups at the top of their own branch of
the hierarchy, which was recommended against by USENET group-advice), we
have heard a few say that the split shouldn't have so many subcategories
(but there seems to be general disagreement as to which should go and
which should stay, based partly on personal reading habits and experience
with the hobby), and we have heard one say that one of the subcategories
(*.cichlids) is too broad and wants it broken down further (but there is
general disagreement whether this would best be done by geography of
origin or species or ?). There also have been a few derisive comments
about including a *.goldfish subgroup. While trying not to appear trite or
overly biased, the "few" is usually one, two or possibly three posters,
yes?  

What we have also heard is a fair number of posts from rec.aquaria readers
that simply say "I like the RFD the way it is, let's vote now."  

I'm not trying to be funny or insulting here, I am being serious.  Have I
missed or misrepresented anything?  

Is there any other issue (relevant to the rec.aquaria hierarchy
reorganization) that we have not discussed yet that we should be?

Of the proposed changes to the RFD as it stands, which ones are most
likely to gather widespread popularity (wide enough to survive a vote)?

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From jvdbergh@eduserv.rug.ac.be Fri Jul 14 00:57:23 EDT 1995
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From: jvdbergh@eduserv.rug.ac.be (Jan Van den Berghe)
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Hi, 

I'm Jan Van den Berghe, a bio-engineer from Flanders, Belgium. I'm currently 
thinking about breeding fish in a waste water plant. Needless to say that the 
water is clear enough : goldfish survive in it. 

My question was : how do I proceed to breed fish of commercial value in that 
water. What fish ? What could be a layout of the system ?

Please mail me (as I'm going on holiday for a month and won't be able to read 
the articles here in time).

Thanks a lot

Jan


From ajenkins@online.nildram.co.uk Fri Jul 14 00:57:25 EDT 1995
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From: Clare David <ajenkins@online.nildram.co.uk>
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Subject: UK Environmental Jobs
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Hi, I'm trying to find agencies or employers in and around London (UK) 
who may offer employment in Fresh Water or Fisheries research. Can 
anyone suggest a contact?

Thanks in advance

Clare




From krivard@user1.channel1.com Fri Jul 14 00:57:27 EDT 1995
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From: krivard@user1.channel1.com (Ken Rivard)
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Subject: Mediterranean violets (seafood)?
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Last summer my wife and I were treated to a fabulous lunch at the
provencal vineyard Domaine de Tempier, in Bandol.  One of the seafood
appetizers was something our host referred to as *violets* (in
French--he didn't know the English term), a type of mediterranean
shellfish I'd never encountered.  In size and appearance the thing
resembled a firm, barnacled baked potato.  I'd like to track down its
English (and Latin) name.  

After slicing diagonally through the cartilaginous exterior I was left
with two halves, each containing a raw edible thing with the texture
of a firm oyster--only larger, with a much more striking appearance.
A bright orange-red band 1/2" thick surrounded a central mass with the
color and texture of  runny scrambled eggs.  The seafood is extracted
by scooping it from the cartilage with a thumb--there seems to be some
sort of suction or vacuum which holds it in place, unlike, say, an
oyster or clam.  The undersurface of the extracted meat is a deep red
color.  Violets have a sharp briny flavor, with a slightly bitter
aftertaste.  I'm told that they're only eaten raw, since cooking does
something odd to their taste and texture.  

Our hostess  informed us that Richard Olney mentions them in one of
his books, but I've been unable to track down the reference thus far.
At dinner the other evening with a pair of marine biologists and
access to several reference tomes we couldn't seem to identify the
thing.  Any insight would be appreciated.  

Thanks.   

Ken Rivard


        



From jrieman@austin.onu.edu Fri Jul 14 00:57:28 EDT 1995
Article: 436 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: jrieman@austin.onu.edu (Jeff Rieman)
Subject: Black Water Bugs
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I know this isn't the place to post this, but I don't know where
else to look.  My parents have a pond and they have bunches and bunches
of little black water bugs that live on the surface.  Any ideas on how
to eliminate these?  We do have several bass in the pond, but they
don't seem to be taking care of the problem.
Thanks,
Jeff

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From brett3@ix.netcom.com Fri Jul 14 00:57:30 EDT 1995
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From: brett3@ix.netcom.com (brett rowley)
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Subject: Re: Black Water Bugs
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In <1995Jul10.182226.67279@austin.onu.edu> jrieman@austin.onu.edu (Jeff
Rieman) writes: 
>
>I know this isn't the place to post this, but I don't know where
>else to look.  My parents have a pond and they have bunches and
bunches
>of little black water bugs that live on the surface.  Any ideas on how
>to eliminate these?  We do have several bass in the pond, but they
>don't seem to be taking care of the problem.
>Thanks,
>Jeff
>
>--
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>Home: (419)634-8905        : Student Affairs
>Work: (419(772-2145        : Ohio Northern University
>
>"We cannot change the inevitable.  The only thing we can do is
> play on the one string we have, and that is our attitude... I
> am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90% how I  
> react to it." - Charles Swindoll
>================================================================
Jeff,
What you have are "whirlygig" beetles. I'm not sure what species, but
they are definitely Coleopteran. I'm curious as to why they are a
problem. Infry rearing ponds they can predate on small fish. We control
them by putting a mixture of 5 gallons diesel or kerosene with one
quart non-detergent motor oil on the pond's surface. This is done with
a sprayer or even with a cup by applying the mixture on a calm morning
around the ponds edges. A slick will form on the surface across the
whole pond if 2-5 gallons per acre are used. The beetles (and other
waterbugs) must surface to breathe. The oily slick coats thier pores
they breath through and suffocates them without harming the baby fish.
This method only controls the beetles for a few days then a new hatch
will appear. I'm sure that they are not a big enough problem to justify
this intense approach in your case. Hope this answers some of your
questions.
                       Brett


From M.Ford@rbgkew.org.uk Fri Jul 14 00:57:32 EDT 1995
Article: 438 of sci.bio.fisheries
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In article <3tpk29$trg@linux.nildram.co.uk> Clare David <ajenkins@online.nildram.co.uk> writes:
>Hi, I'm trying to find agencies or employers in and around London (UK) 
>who may offer employment in Fresh Water or Fisheries research. Can 
>anyone suggest a contact?
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Clare
>
>
Try the Countryside Jobs Service compiled by RentaRanger for the
Countryside Management Association. They compile a list of all 
environmental and countryside related jobs and courses in the
UK which is updated weekly.

They can be contacted on 01947 810220 or by writing to:-

                Groves Bank,
                Woodlands,
                Sleights,
                Whitby,
                N. Yorks. YO21 1RY

Matt


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From: paulnw@aol.com (PaulNW)
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Subject: Historical Look At Hood Canal
Date: 11 Jul 1995 03:47:34 -0400
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I am working on a project collecting historical data for Hood Canal.  The
data I am interested in is:
Stream Habitat
Salmon and Steelhead
Land Use


From spryd@gov.on.ca Fri Jul 14 00:57:35 EDT 1995
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Subject: Re: catfish question
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jstang9595@aol.com (JStang9595) writes:

>I was recently swimming in a lake in northern Michigan when I noticed
>moving black spot in the water.  I looked closer and realized there were
>hundreds of little catfish swimming so close together I could hardly tell
>one from the other.  Later, my uncle and I were discussing this behavior
>and wondered if the catfish were hatched at the same time or were born by
>live birth.  We also wondered if this was normal behavior.  In twenty
>years of fishing I had never seen anything like this!  If anyone has any
>information, please mail me at 
>                        jstang9595@aol.com

>                                        thanks!!

Scott and Crossman in _Freshwater Fishes of Canada_ (aka the Bible) write
regarding the brown bullhead that eggs are laid in nests guarded by one or
both parents.  After hatching .."The young, whose shape and pitch-black
colour make them resemble tadpoles, are shepherded about for several
weeks in a loose sphere by one or both of the parents until they are about
2 inches long.  The the guarding and the school break down and the
individuals disperse."  I have only seen this behaviour once, and in a 
small pond, species of catfish uncertain.

Regards

Doug Spry
Toronto, ON CANADA



From kimgw@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Fri Jul 14 00:57:37 EDT 1995
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I'm posting this on behalf of someone who's newreader doesn't get
sci.bio.fisheries.  So DO NOT USE AUTO-REPLY COMMAND OR MAIL TO ME!  Thanks

David Deitz wrote:
>From:  ddeitz@AFIT.AF.MIL
> 

> >Has anyone out there in internet space been through the Fisheries Mgt 
> >degree program at OSU?  Or the same program at a different school?  If 
> >so email me so I can talk career advice, thanks.
> 
> David, 

Once again, please send replys to ddeitz@AFIT.AF.MIL  


From the_doctor@netins.net Fri Jul 14 00:57:38 EDT 1995
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In article <1995Jul11.203329@miavx1>, kimgw@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu writes:
>I'm posting this on behalf of someone who's newreader doesn't get
>sci.bio.fisheries.  So DO NOT USE AUTO-REPLY COMMAND OR MAIL TO ME!  Thanks
>
>David Deitz wrote:
>>From:  ddeitz@AFIT.AF.MIL
>> 
>
>> >Has anyone out there in internet space been through the Fisheries Mgt 
>> >degree program at OSU?  Or the same program at a different school?  If 
>> >so email me so I can talk career advice, thanks.
>> 
>> David, 
>
>Once again, please send replys to ddeitz@AFIT.AF.MIL  


what kind of program is this???  like a batchlers??
		
		The_Doctor@Netins.Net


From BALSTERB@crpl.cedar-rapids.lib.ia.us Fri Jul 14 00:57:40 EDT 1995
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From: balsterb@crpl.cedar-rapids.lib.ia.us
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In article <DBKFEt.I34@gov.on.ca>, spryd@gov.on.ca (D.J. Spry) writes:
>jstang9595@aol.com (JStang9595) writes:
>
>>I was recently swimming in a lake in northern Michigan when I noticed
>>moving black spot in the water.  I looked closer and realized there were
>>hundreds of little catfish swimming so close together I could hardly tell
>>one from the other.  Later, my uncle and I were discussing this behavior
>>and wondered if the catfish were hatched at the same time or were born by
>>live birth.  We also wondered if this was normal behavior.  In twenty
>>years of fishing I had never seen anything like this!  If anyone has any
>>information, please mail me at 
>>                        jstang9595@aol.com

here in iowa the bullheads do this too. I caught some and used them
for bait last weekend, so i'm sure they weren't tadpoles.( they already
had their horns)
 I did see any adult bullheads though.
 


From multi@pi.net Fri Jul 14 00:57:41 EDT 1995
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From: multi@pi.net (Lub Ras)
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Subject: Re: Forget Eating Fish (Was: Re: Surf fishing...)
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Dear Dr. Jai Maharaj,

I appreciate your concerns, wich are shared by me and many others.
It seems right to me to prevent eating fish from inland lakes, that
are largely polluted because of waste of toxic chemicals from
industries nearside and pesticides.
I assume that this will be the case with some lakes in the USA.
Especially the bigger"hunting"- types of fish (in the end of the
food-chain )could accumulate these toxic chemicals. I think it is a
good thing to warn for this,  backing this up with scientific reports.

There are also scientific reports reports proving the well-known
health benefits of eating fish.If you want to benefit of these
advantages without the risk of harmfull level of toxics, you could
choose to buy  the smaller types of fish, caught from the wide oceans.
Therefore I do have a suggestion to replace the slogan "Forget eating
fish" by this one:  "Be keen, buy clean" .

Best regards,
Lub Ras

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>>>>
jai@mantra.com (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote:

> Forget Eating Fish

> "The  least  likely  of  all  places  in  the  world  to  find  an
> uncontaminated fish is in the United States.  We  have the dubious
> distinction of  being the world's largest  producer of pesticides.
> We  use 1.1  billion pounds  of pesticides  a year  -- about  five
> pounds for every member of the population.  This amounts to 30% of
> the entire world's use. You may be wondering if any fish are safe.
> Even for research purposes, it is impossible now for scientists to
> find  fish  anywhere  in  U.S.  waters  which  do  not carry toxic
> chemicals in their flesh.

> "A major  study reported in  Tufts University's Diet and Nutrition
> Letter compared the offspring of 242 women who ate varying amounts
> of fish from Lake Michigan. The study found that the more fish the
> mothers had eaten, the more their babies showed abnormal reflexes,
> general weakness, slower response to stimuli, and various signs of
> depression.  Even mothers  eating the  fish two  or three  times a
> month produced babies weighing seven to nine ounces less at birth,
> with smaller heads.  [To learn about contaminated fish in other US
> waters, please refer to the sources provided below.]

> "- Pimentel, D., 'Pesticides . . .'
>     BioScienc 27, March, 1977.
> "- Pimentel, D., 'Realities of a Pesticide Ban'
>     Environment, March, 1973.
> "- Turner, J., 'A Chemical Feast: Report on the Food and Drug
>     Administration,' Grossman, 1970.
> "- 'Infant Abnormalities Linked to PCB Contaminated Fish'
>     Vegetarian Times, November, 1984."
> - Robbins, John, "Diet for A New America
>     Stillpoint Publishing, 1987, pg. 334.

> *-=Om Shanti=-*  Jai Maharaj
>                
>                jai maharaj |_|_|_|_| mantra corporation
> jyotishi, vedic astrologer |_|   |_| vedic prediction sciences
>             jai@mantra.com |_|_ _|_| telex 6505614754
>          mci mail 561-4754 | | | | | voicemail +1 808 948 4357

Lub Ras



From vaneeck@vax1.mankato.msus.edu Fri Jul 14 00:57:43 EDT 1995
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From: Greg Van Eeckhout <vaneeck@vax1.mankato.msus.edu>
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Subject: Re: Fish in waste water plant ?
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Hey I thought I'd drop you a note since you are Dutch such as I.  I 
would want to know more about the temperature and water conditions, such 
as nutrients, suspended sediments and most importantly dissolved oxygen.  
One thing you may want to check is what is the daily oxygen 
concentration like over time, that is: concentration by hour for a 24hr 
period.  I would guess you may find that you have some real ups and 
downs in this daily cycle and may not support that many fish.  As far as 
what kind of fish would be heavily influenced by the temperature and 
conditions in the ponds, a friend of mine works in aquaculture for the 
state of Minnesota,USA maybe able to give you better adivce on fish 
based on conditions his email address is: 
Berickso@mda-is.mda.state.mn.us
and his name is Brian Erickson, best of luck to you and your venture
Greg Van Eeckhout




From vaneeck@vax1.mankato.msus.edu Fri Jul 14 00:57:44 EDT 1995
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From: Greg Van Eeckhout <vaneeck@vax1.mankato.msus.edu>
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Subject: Potamogeton crispus and fisheries?
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I would like to exchange information with others on research involving 
the aquatic macrophyte Potamogeton crispus ( non-native to the USA) and 
it's impact and relationship to fisheries.  Our office and I have done 
some extensive work in this area and although I can not fully describe 
it here I would like to hear from others.  The main parts of our 
research (in Minnesota, USA) has centered around the nutrient tie-up and 
die-off of P. crispus and then the affect of this on the zooplankton and 
algae of the lake, which in turn is related to the planktivorus fish 
community.  Please e-mail me if you can, since it is the field research 
season and I do not always get around to reading the newgroup, thanks

Greg




From scaldwell@dow.com Fri Jul 14 00:57:46 EDT 1995
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In article <brandts.805049231@humanitas>, brandts@QueensU.CA (Dirk Brandts) writes:
>Hi, folks - I'm seeking sources of info regarding small home-scale aquaculture
>setups. .I have hazy memories of this idea from some of John and Nancy Jack
>Todd's work with "living machines". I've managed to contact their Ocean Arks
>International and requested info, but pending its arrival, I wonder if any of
>you could suggest some useful books or whatnot.
>
>TIA, Dirk (brandts@humanitas.ucsb.edu)

There has been work at LSU (La. State Univ.) in the Sea Grant progam on Talapia
aquaculture. I don't know exactly how to get in touch with them. I attended a 
chruch that had a garden, and there was active experimentation with tilapia
aquaculture there, too, in conjunction with LSU. Depending on the density, it
can get pretty intense. I think that we were working toward 600 lbs/Mgal.

Good luck.
Steve


From lfdw@MATIES.SUN.AC.ZA Fri Jul 14 00:57:48 EDT 1995
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From: lfdw@MATIES.SUN.AC.ZA (MNR LF DE WET, GENETIKA, TEL 4770)
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Is it acceptable to use fish oil in diets of crustaceans without any side-
effects? If not what is the min,max, avg inclusion levels?

Lourens de Wet
Aquaculture research programme
University Stellenbosch
South Africa


From zapitb4@aol.com Fri Jul 14 00:57:49 EDT 1995
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What is a good way to start to begin Plankton. I have been told to use
7-22-10 fertilizer, cotton meal, and alphalpha meal. I need suggestions.

I was recently in Canada and saw what rich water looks like. That is the
type of water I would like to create as close as possilble. Thanks


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On 13 Jul 1995, Vince Busto wrote:

> I am presently working with a biologist who is interested in utilizing trees
> for bank protection in rivers,  The trees (fir or pine) are tied into the 
> riverbank with cables.  The biologist explains that the trees slow the water 
> velocity at the bank to the extent that sedimentation occurs.  In time this
> sedimentation allows plants to re-establish themselves along the bank.  The
> tangle of branches also provide a place of refuge for small fish; refuge from
> high water velocity and reguge from large predators.
> 
> Does anyone have any experiences, or references to case studies, with tree
> revetments that they care to share with me?  I am especially interested in 
> finding out if there are clear guidelines as to where tree revetments may,
> or should not, be used.  References for tree revetment design would also be 
> appreciated.   
> 
> My thanks in advance for your responses.
> 
> Vince Busto
> 
> 

I'm surprised that fir and pine are being used...they tend to be dry-site 
species.  In the NW USA, we use willow, alder, or poplar...hydrophytic, 
fast-growing, and they develop a pretty dense root mat.




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I am presently working with a biologist who is interested in utilizing trees
for bank protection in rivers,  The trees (fir or pine) are tied into the 
riverbank with cables.  The biologist explains that the trees slow the water 
velocity at the bank to the extent that sedimentation occurs.  In time this
sedimentation allows plants to re-establish themselves along the bank.  The
tangle of branches also provide a place of refuge for small fish; refuge from
high water velocity and reguge from large predators.

Does anyone have any experiences, or references to case studies, with tree
revetments that they care to share with me?  I am especially interested in 
finding out if there are clear guidelines as to where tree revetments may,
or should not, be used.  References for tree revetment design would also be 
appreciated.   

My thanks in advance for your responses.

Vince Busto


From jschafer@holly.ColoState.EDU Fri Jul 21 11:06:21 EDT 1995
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From: jschafer@holly.ColoState.EDU (Jeffery Schafer)
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Subject: [Q] Culturing crabs/crayfish
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Hello,

  Could anyone tell me some details on how to breed freshwater crayfish?  
I have heard that the first pair of swimmets (I think...) are larger on 
the male, and the female carries the eggs.

  Also, I would love to be able to culture fiddler crabs.  I have tried 
to find some inforation, but most of the references I have found are not 
carried by CSU's library.  :^<

  However, I do know that they have a plankton stage.  I recently talked 
with someone whom had a pregnant red crab (freshwater).  He was out of 
town when the female laid her eggs, but his (and mine) best guess was 
that the crab 'hatched' plankton larvae.

  I have several questions:

  1.)  Does anyone know a good reference?  

  2.)  What is the difference in the different species of fiddlers?

  3.)  What is the best salinity to keep fiddler crabs in?

  4.)  Do the crabs need to have access to the air?  (i.e. land)

  5.)  What ratio of male/female is best?

  6.)  How does one go about raising the plankton larvae?

  7.)  In the last year I have tried to find someone that has spawned 
fiddler crabs.  A couple of people have mentioned it is not possible.  Am 
I on a wild goose chase?

  I know that I have a *lot* of questions.  However, even the smallest 
answers would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks,

Jeff



From msmith@sonic.net Fri Jul 21 11:06:22 EDT 1995
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Many fresh water and some salt water fish are being farmed these days. 
It would seem that they would be low in toxens.

Michael Smith




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Subject: Re: F water clams & aquarium
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George Murray (murray@beast.Trenton.EDU) wrote:
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: My question is will the tank filter out compete the clams?

: Does anyone have any experience with clams in a tank or can you recommend 
: any good reference sources.

: 	Thanks George
: 		Murray@trenton.edu

As part of a freshwater invertebrate class at UC Davis, I collected some 
clams from Putah Creek to observe.  I identified the clams as _Corbicula_ 
_fluminea_ using Thorp and Covich's _Ecology and Classification of North 
American Freshwater Invertebrates.  These clams were collected in April 
and are still growing well in my tank. 
MY EXPERIENCE:  I have an eight gallon Hex set up 
with a power filter hooked up as a powerhead on an undergravel filter 
This seems to give a decent durrent in the tank without a lot of noise.  
The tank was originally set up with lots of invertebrates from Putah 
Creek.  I had lots of damsel fly nymphs and caddis, and black fly 
larvae.  (some of the caddis pupated on the glass sides) I also collected 
plenty of rocks, some plants and a nifty stick when I stocked my tank 
>from  the creek.  Most of the insects have developed and left the tank, 
but the clams and snails are still going fine.  I have always kept live 
plants in the tank and sometimes I throw in a few leaves and let them 
decompose for everybody in there to eat.  I also used to sprinkle a 
little peat into the tank to identify caddis nets and watch them clean 
their nets and feed.  The clams seem to do fine even with the under 
gravel and power filters.  Lately I have added seven small white cloud 
minnows, a small Indian glass fish a freshwater shrimp and a baby 
crawdad.  The crawdad has left the clams alone so far, and the shrimp 
only bothers the clams when it walks over them, so I doubt this will be a 
problem if your other inverts are all small.  I do make sure that 
everybody gets fed regularly and have had no problems with clam 
mortality.  Just be sure to give the clams a few inches of a mixture of 
gravel sizes and some larger rocks so that they can burrow and feel 
protected. (I brought a  bucket of gravel back from the stream.)

On a side note, I was keeping the same type of clam in a two gallon 
stagnant puddle tank with some sort of daphnia and planaria.  The daphnia 
would try to eat the clam's slime on occasion and agrivated it somewhat.  
(The clam would occasionally take out a few daphnia as well!) It 
eventually died, but I suspect that the death was due to old age or 
poor water quality. (This clam did get big fast)

Oh, one other point.  If you think you clams are getting hungy I suggest 
sprinking your aquarium with a little yeast or pureed spinach, same as 
for daphnia.  But finely grinding flake food with your fingers will work too.
BTW my crawdad really likes sinking algae pellets.

Good luck!

-Erick


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From: ez041467@dale.ucdavis.edu (Erick Oshel)
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Jan Van den Berghe (jvdbergh@eduserv.rug.ac.be) wrote:
: Hi, 

: I'm Jan Van den Berghe, a bio-engineer from Flanders, Belgium. I'm 
: currently thinking about breeding fish in a waste water plant. Needless 
: to say that the : water is clear enough : goldfish survive in it. 

: My question was : how do I proceed to breed fish of commercial value 
: in that water. What fish ? What could be a layout of the system ?

I am a student at the University of California, Davis and am currently 
helping with research reguarding wetlands carbon cycling in cattails and 
tules at the demonstration wetlands run by the Sacramento County Regional
Wastewater Treatment Facility.  I do not know the details of the system, 
only that about 1% of the treated effluent from the Sacramento Wastewater 
facility is run through UV sterilization then fed into a series of 
shallow ponds (about 50 cm deep with 3 six foot holes.) Each pond has 
mosquito fish in it and a few support thriving populations of bullfrogs 
and crayfish.  Recently, 10,000 guppies were added to some of the cells.  
The incredible numbers and size of daphnia and insect larvae of various 
types make me think that this is an incredible resource for aquaculture.  
However, although the water is quite clear, and there are waterfowl, 
fish, even muskrats and otters living in these cells, I doubt that 
anything grown in them would be condidered safe for any kind of 
comercial consumption.  The concern centers on both a worry about heavy 
metals and other toxins as well as the added problem that the UV 
sterilizer has been found to be less than 100% effective.  It seems that 
some bacteria are knocked senseless for several hours, but are able to 
restructure their DNA and revive themselves.  Therefore, we are requited 
to wear waders and are told to minimize body contact with the treated 
water.  I think that comercial aquaculture using wastewater is a great 
idea, but it won't work here yet.  Please let me know what you find out.  
I am interested to see what other people have found.  

Unfortunately, I do not know the e-mail address for the Sacramento 
Regional Waste Water Treatment Facility.  However, I could probaly ask 
for it, or give them your e-mail address, if you are interested.

-Erick

Erick Oshel
University of California, Davis
etoshel@ucdavis.edu



From jschafer@holly.ColoState.EDU Fri Jul 21 11:06:25 EDT 1995
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  Just wanted to appologize for re-posting this.  I meant to post it into 
rec.aquaria!

Thanks,

Jeff


From pruetjd@mail.auburn.edu Fri Jul 21 11:06:28 EDT 1995
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I have recently stocked a pond and the Arkansas fish producers 
recommended that I put fathead minnows in the pond.  I stocked the pond 
with bluegill and largemouth.  I am afraid the pond may me slightly 
overstocked.  Would dumping fathead minnows prevent my fish from becoming 
stunted?  I was afraid to put them in initially because i know that 
minnows some sometimes overtake a pond, or at least i have heard this.  
I was also told that fathead minnows will not get any larger than 4".  Is 
this also true?  Can anyone make any recommendations.  Maybe I should try 
to locate someone at Auburn University?

John



From flurid@govonca.gov.on.ca Fri Jul 21 11:06:29 EDT 1995
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From: flurid@govonca.gov.on.ca (Dave Fluri)
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In <3u3gtv$htl@stud.Direct.CA> vbusto@Direct.CA (Vince Busto) writes:

>I am presently working with a biologist who is interested in utilizing trees
>for bank protection in rivers,  The trees (fir or pine) are tied into the 
>riverbank with cables. 

In Ontario, we prefer _Thuja_occidentalis_, which we call cedar, for such
applications.  We call them "cedar sweeps".  Alternatively, we use almost
anything handy, but our other lowland woods don't have the longevity of
cedar when in the water.  Non-cedar sweeps are usually called "brush
bundles".  Bundles are often installed in a "scale" arrangement; overlap
bundles beginning at the lower end.

Sweeps or bundles are placed at the very head of the inside bend of a
meander, just where the water begins to pull away from the bank.  They
should be installed parallel to the direction of flow.  The trunk of the
tree, or the bound end of the bundle, is wired to a post driven into the
stream bed.  One or more posts can be placed along the bundle to give it the
proper orientation relative to the current.

I don't really consider them as "bank protection" _per_se_, at least not in
the sense of a revetement.  We sometimes use log revetements along the
retaining bank (outside) of a meander, but their installation and philosophy
are somewhat different (EMail me for details).  I view sweeps and bundles,
rather, as aids in directing the stream flow.  By judiciously placing them,
you can encourage the re-establishment of some sort of meander pattern in
stream sections which have been channelised or which have had their meanders
"blown out" by some sort of catastrophic event.  They seem to work best when
installed so as to _slightly_ constrict the base flow.  The increased
velocity enhances sediment transport.  It is also important that they be
installed so as to be completely submerged at the "bank full" stage.  As
flows decline, they provide the sediment-trapping function you describe
hereunder.

>The biologist explains that the trees slow the water 
>velocity at the bank to the extent that sedimentation occurs.  In time this
>sedimentation allows plants to re-establish themselves along the bank.  The
>tangle of branches also provide a place of refuge for small fish; refuge from
>high water velocity and reguge from large predators.

This really works!  I've seen cedar sweeps that, when installed, appeared
huge, with large, gaping areas behind them.  Five years later, the area
behind was completely filled in and revegetated; you'd have had a tough job
to find the sweep.  Often it was only the stubs of the posts sticking up
that were still visible!  You're right that sweeps provide refugia for small
fish, but this is fairly transitory, since the sweep is designed to
eventually fill in with sediment.

>Does anyone have any experiences, or references to case studies, with tree
>revetments that they care to share with me?  I am especially interested in 
>finding out if there are clear guidelines as to where tree revetments may,
>or should not, be used.  References for tree revetment design would also be 
>appreciated.   

>My thanks in advance for your responses.

>Vince Busto

I should indicate that I've only used sweeps and bundles in fairly low
gradient applications on streams with moderate to high bed loads composed
largely of fines.  Judging by the way they work, I don't think they'd be
appropriate in high gradient situations.

Hope that helps.


-- 
				|
Dave Fluri			|	"No me agaro ya de nada, para
North Bay, Ontario, Canada	|	 asi no tener nada que defender."
				|		-Carlos Castaneda


From Jochen.Weiss@mbox.oci.uni-hannover.de Fri Jul 21 11:06:31 EDT 1995
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I'm looking for a picture of the marine animal *bryozoa bugula neritina*.
I already checked common biology-books unsuccessfully. Can anyone help me?
Please post answers to my e-mail-adress.

Thanx, Jochen


From settl001@mc.duke.edu Fri Jul 21 11:06:32 EDT 1995
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From: settl001@mc.duke.edu (Dan Settles)
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Subject: Re: tilapia
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In article <3u4enh$rv5@zeus.intellinet.com>, grahamd (David Graham) wrote:

> Lost the note from the person asking about tilapia culture, so I'm just
going to send this out.
> Attended a seminar on the use of tilapia as part of a
hydroponics/aquaculture system. Tom &
> Paula Speraneo are raising herbs and tilapia in indoor culture at S&S
Aqua Farm in West Plains,
> Missouri. Their family lives on the production of tilapia and herbs
grown indoors in this semi-
> closed system. Drop them a note! Fascinating lecture.
> 
> Dave

Hi Dave,
I guess I missed some info., but I'm interested in finding out more about
their system.  I believe I read some posts of yours some months ago and I
have been interested in learning more.  Can you tell me how to contact
them?  Thanks.
Dan Settles
dan_settles@cellbio.duke.edu


From bek@RUC.DK Fri Jul 21 11:06:33 EDT 1995
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Dear reader

One of the consequences of the increasing greenhouse effect
is the global warming related to it.

Currently the equivalent CO2 concentration is only enhanced
by about 50 % compared to the natural, preindustrial values.
Another 50 % are expected within the next 30 till 55 years.

The enhanced greenhouse effect leads to a warming of the
Earth's surface temperature and therefore also to warmer
conditions in the upper oceans (the deeper oceans will also
get warmer, albeit at a longer time scale).

How can the global fishery industry prepare for the warmer
waters, and what would the consequences be? Will there
be changes in the species distribution and quantity that
can be prognosed today? Should we try to steer the
fishing industry in a direction so that it starts preparing
for the coming changes?

Questions that might cool in the boreal summer heat.

Greetings

Bernd Kuemmel, bek@mmf.ruc.dk



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Please unsubscribe me from this newsgroup or instruct me on how to do 
so.  Thank you.

Doyle Crosswhite
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From pruetjd@mail.auburn.edu Fri Jul 21 11:06:35 EDT 1995
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From: pruetjd@mail.auburn.edu (John D Pruett)
Subject: Re: Fish Eye Lids
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: Largemouth bass do not have eyelids which is why they favor deeper water 
: and heavy cover during the day.

 Walter (walteri@pixi.com) wrote:
: In article <dandon.2.2FEEDD2B@hookup.net>, dandon@hookup.net (Dan
: Donaldson) wrote:

: > I am a member of a local Rotary Club that recently had an address concerning 
: > the internet.  Due to a degree of skepticism within the group, I volunteered 
: > to *test* the net.  Each week I will try and find the answer to a
: question via 
: > the internet.  The first question posed was, do fish have eye lids?
: > 
: > Can anyone out there either answer the question or provide me with a resource 
: > or two that might?
: > 
: Yes, they do.  If you recall some of the many shark TV specials over the
: years, you would have seen Great White Sharks protecting their eyes with a
: nictatating [sp?] membrane (or eyelid) when they bite into the bait.  So,
: at least some fish do have something like a membrane.

: -- 
: "No matter where you go, there you are."  B. Banzai


From zapitb4@aol.com Sun Jul 30 01:42:39 EDT 1995
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B careful. Start with 1 or 2. The recommendation is 8 per vegated acre.
Our pond is 15.5 acres. In 86 the home owners put in 350. Our pond is now
void of vegation. Fishing is severly damaged. The reconstuction will take
years. I repeat b careful. Start with as few as possible.

The are very difficult to catch once introduced.


From Pdeitik@bcm.tmc.edu Sun Jul 30 01:42:40 EDT 1995
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From: Philip Deitiker <Pdeitik@bcm.tmc.edu>
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Ward

  I am no expert on this matter, but fish certainly have a diurnal cycle, 
and many types of fish become quiescent at night while others become 
active. My discus become catatonic at night and move around in very slow 
graceful motions. I have seen the same thing with many types of marine 
damselfish, anglefish. 
   There are fish that feed at night as well as in the daytime; however, 
they may be using olfactory and lateral line information which other 
types of fish cannot take advantage of. These fish may select periods in 
which food or oxygen is scarce to become quiescent. These fish feeding 
behavior would be similar to the large cats (lions, tigers), which feed 
and rest in the daytime and the night time.
  Since fish don't have eyelids its hard for them to 'sleep' as we do. If 
you wan't a better question, Do fish have dream or have nightmares? I 
frequently will have an unexplained explosion of activity in a tank.

Philip 



From barbara@hambel.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 30 01:42:41 EDT 1995
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Parasitic Copepoda - where can I find info. please?
Thanks, B.



From poets@ccmail.orst.edu Sun Jul 30 01:42:42 EDT 1995
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From: Steven Poet <poets@ccmail.orst.edu>
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sgough@prairienet.org (Steve Gough) wrote:
>
> Gordon C Smith (gordo@uhunix4.its.Hawaii.Edu) wrote:
> : I would like to contact some experts in the field of fish passage
> : design and engineering. 
> 
> Gordon,
> 
> You might try contacting Robert Newbury or one of his associates.  Don't 
> have a phone number, but his firm is called Newbury Hydraulics, Ltd. and 
> is in Gibsons, B.C., Canada. A lot of work, which you should be able to 
> dig up with a computer lit search, has been done in the Pacific Northwest.
> 
..and just look how well the anadromous species are doing in that 
region.  Maybe the folks in Hawaii should start from scratch, and 
"build a better mousetrap".


From micahg@exploratorium.edu Sun Jul 30 01:42:42 EDT 1995
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From: micahg@exploratorium.edu (Pat Fish)
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i wanna job!


From chend@ucs.orst.edu Sun Jul 30 01:42:43 EDT 1995
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From: chend@ucs.orst.edu (Don Chen)
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Subject: shrimp[ virus-Taura syndrome
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 04:31:50 GMT
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Hi:

This post results from an article I read in the NYTimes last month on
a shrimp virus which was attacking Penaeus vannamei which were being
grown in hatcheries in Texas.  It has been identified as the same
agent which was responsible for shrimp deaths in Ecuador on the river,
Taura.  Lightner's group in Arizona and Brock's group in Hawaii have
been able to isolate a virus which, in H&E preps, produces multifocal
cuticular lesions and generally spherical cytoplasmic inclusion bodies
(1-20 um in diameter) (Dis.aquat.Org 21:53-59,1995).  The article goes
on to say that native shrimp of the Gulf Coast are not susceptible to
the disease. 

Questions: 
1.	Has the virus been identified as to type?
2.	Has the virus been shown to be specific to P. vannamei and not
other species?
3.	For those of you in the Gulf region, what are they going to do
with the carcasses of these shrimp?  They aren't going to grind them
up and feed them to other shrimp or other animals are they?
4.	Are there any environmental dependencies- ie temperature,
salinity, etc?

If there is anyone from either Lightner's or Brock's group reading
this, I'd be interested in corresponding with you.  My initial
interest was prompted by the thought it was a baculovirus, although
this doesn't seem to be the case.

Thanks, 
Don Chen
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Sleeping we image what awake we wish,
         Dogs dream of bones, fishermen of fish. -Theocritus
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From pezmen@news.gate.net Sun Jul 30 01:42:44 EDT 1995
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From: pezmen@news.gate.net (Hector Cruz-Lopez)
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ekgardner@life.uams.edu wrote:
: The title is pretty self explanitory. Do fish sleep?


: 						Ward

Parrotfish envelop themselves in a sack of bubbles and mucus secreted by 
them during the night and actually sleep.  The sack protects them from 
predation and from drifting as they usually attach themselves to fixed 
structures along coral reefs.  Many other fishes actually go into a 
quiescence state in which they are suspended in the water column.  
Sharks, because of their lack of an air bladder, do not sleep as they 
would otherwise sink and die from lack of circulation of water through 
their gills.

Fish do not have eye lids and therefore can not close thair eyes.  Their 
brain activity is, however, significantly diminished and in some cases 
you can approach them, touch many species, and even move them without 
triggering a reaction.

Hope this helps
hector "che" cruz-lopez


From dunger@bu.edu Sun Jul 30 01:42:45 EDT 1995
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I think it was the parrot fish who secretes a clear sack around itself at night
when it sleeps.  There are reef fish that I have literally pulled off the reef
at night when they are sleeping and they do not wake up.


From BARKLEYT@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu Sun Jul 30 01:42:46 EDT 1995
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From: BARKLEYT@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Tim Barkley)
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They are called by various names among them 'buffalo carp' and by
White Amur.  They are triploids(sp?).  They should be available from 
most fingerling suppliers. 


In <3uu1os$ovt@ixnews5.ix.netcom.com> whatduck@ix.netcom.com writes:

>    I have a small pond in Northern IL and currently suffering from a
> weed problem.  I would like to put grass eating carp into the pond but
> I'm not sure where to get them or how many to get.  I know they need
> to be sterile.  The pond is about 1 and a half acres.  Any info would
> be appreciated.
> 
> Brian and the Duck
> 


From settl001@mc.duke.edu Sun Jul 30 01:42:47 EDT 1995
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From: settl001@mc.duke.edu (Dan Settles)
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I have seen information posted several times in the past concerning an
integrated tilapia and hydroponic system that has been developed by Tom
Speraneo.  I believe he is located somewhere in Missouri.  I would like to
get more information about his work and would appreciate it if anyone
could help me get in touch with him.  Thanks.
Dan Settles
dan_settles@cellbio.duke.edu


From gordo@uhunix4.its.Hawaii.Edu Sun Jul 30 01:42:47 EDT 1995
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From: gordo@uhunix4.its.Hawaii.Edu (Gordon C Smith)
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>sgough@prairienet.org (Steve Gough) wrote:
>>
>> Gordon C Smith (gordo@uhunix4.its.Hawaii.Edu) wrote:
>> : I would like to contact some experts in the field of fish passage
>> : design and engineering. 
>> 
>> You might try contacting Robert Newbury or one of his associates.  Don't 
>> have a phone number, but his firm is called Newbury Hydraulics, Ltd. and 
>> is in Gibsons, B.C., Canada. A lot of work, which you should be able to 
>> dig up with a computer lit search, has been done in the Pacific Northwest.


And Steve Poet commented:
>
>..and just look how well the anadromous species are doing in that 
>region.  Maybe the folks in Hawaii should start from scratch, and 
>"build a better mousetrap".

Thanks to Steve G. and Steve P. for the suggestion and the discussion. There
are major differences between the biology and migratory patterns of  the   
indigenous Hawaiian fish and the anadromous salmonids of the Pacific Northwest.
The streams are very different too. Because no work of this kind has ever been
done, no matter what we do it will be a "better moustrap".

Can anybody else provide references and/or comments?

Thanks and aloha,

Gordon Smith
Stream Bioassessement Program
DOH Env. Planning Office

gordo@hawaii.edu




From lfdw@MATIES.SUN.AC.ZA Sun Jul 30 01:42:48 EDT 1995
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From: lfdw@MATIES.SUN.AC.ZA (Lourens de Wet)
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Keywords: furunculosis, salmon, trout, immunology

I am doing a honours project on furunculosis in rainbow trout and I am 
looking for info on this subject. If there is anyone out there who can 
help - please E-mail me.

Lourens de Wet.


From poets@ccmail.orst.edu Sun Jul 30 01:42:49 EDT 1995
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From: Steven Poet <poets@ccmail.orst.edu>
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I am looking for opinions and perceptions about infectious disease 
problems in fisheries.  I tried to get input from sci.aquaria and got
surprizingly little response.  I will soon be located in the Southeast
of the US and am interested in applying current biomedical knowledge
and technology to the problems in fish health management.  I hope that
you folks will post to this group instead of emailing me, that should
generate more comments.  I'm a veterinary virologist, but all infectious
diseases are fair game at this point.  Thanks for your input.



From pruetjd@mail.auburn.edu Sun Jul 30 01:42:50 EDT 1995
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From: pruetjd@mail.auburn.edu (John D Pruett)
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John D Pruett (pruetjd@mail.auburn.edu) wrote:
: I have recently stocked a pond and the Arkansas fish producers 
: recommended that I put fathead minnows in the pond.  I stocked the pond 
: with bluegill and largemouth.  I am afraid the pond may me slightly 
: overstocked.  Would dumping fathead minnows prevent my fish from becoming 
: stunted?  I was afraid to put them in initially because i know that 
: minnows some sometimes overtake a pond, or at least i have heard this.  
: I was also told that fathead minnows will not get any larger than 4".  Is 
: this also true?  Can anyone make any recommendations.  Maybe I should try 
: to locate someone at Auburn University?

: John

I have gotten my question answered via e-mail and I was wondering if I 
was supposed to erase this article.  Is that possible?

jp


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Steve


  I am by no means an expert in this area; however, there are a number of 
articles (over the last five years) which deal specifically with diseases 
of fish in culture. The most notable paper appeared in Science about four 
years ago dealing with a 'phantom dinoflagellate' found in natural and 
manmade fisheries of the eastern seacoast (US). This microorganism 
compares well with common parasites encountered in fresh and marine 
aquarium. 
  I have seen numerous other papers that deal with topics such as:

Disease susceptability and enviromental changes in the coastal fisheries
Disease susceptability in aquaculture and mariculture
Opportunistic pathogens (bacteria) in aquaculture waters
Heavy metal accumulations in natural fisheries comparing prestine and 
developed areas.
Disease and reproductive viability.
Diseases of hatching fish

There are relatively few papers which develope an enviromental defect or 
change and apply it to disease enhancement or susceptibility. The 
'phantom' paper is an exception, there are a few others.

I can not recommend a specific journal, and you probably need to try to 
find a good oceanography and marine biology library as a holo-resource.
In addition you'll will find a disproportionate number of papers which 
deal with disease and disease related issues in the shellfish and 
crustecean culture and natural fisheries.

Philip 



From scolenut@uoguelph.ca Sun Jul 30 01:42:52 EDT 1995
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From: scolenut@uoguelph.ca (Sandra C Colenutt)
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I am currently in my fourth year at University and am considering doing  
a Aquaculture technicians program when I am finished.  Is this a good 
field to get into?  I would be interested in knowing any places I could 
visit in the Southern Ontario region where I could see aquaculture  being 
used to decide if this really is what I would like to do with my life.  

Could you please e-mail me directly with any comments you have since I 
don't get many chances to check my account at the moment.  

Thank you.

Sandra
scolenut.uoguelph.ca


From cr_batishko@pnl.gov Sun Jul 30 01:42:53 EDT 1995
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From: cr_batishko@pnl.gov (Chuck)
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I know this is not the rec.fishing location, but thought there may be somebody
out there who knows this relatively unknown river.  Anybody know the Cispis
River.  It is a tributary of the Cowlitz, I believe, and is located NW of
Mt. Adams and WSW of Goat Rocks in the Gifford Pinchot Forest of central
Washington state.  I've never been there, but will be this weekend and would
like to know what fish are found there and if there is any reasonable chance
of good fishing.  My only info is from 1968 and 1969 "fishing guides", so is
badly out of date.  They both agree that the stream contains rainbow,
cutthroat, and Dolly Varden, with brook trout in the upper reaches.  Can
anybody confirm that, or better yet, add to it?

Thanks very much.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chuck                      | "Be sure you see what you
cr_batishko@pnl.gov |     look at..." - Cap Huff
                               |     Rabble in Arms by
                               |     Kenneth Roberts
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From rphen@ix.netcom.com Sun Jul 30 01:42:54 EDT 1995
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From: rphen@ix.netcom.com (Ralph Phenix)
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whatduck@ix.netcom.com (whatduck) wrote:

>   I have a small pond in Northern IL and currently suffering from a
>weed problem.  I would like to put grass eating carp into the pond but
>I'm not sure where to get them or how many to get.  I know they need
>to be sterile.  The pond is about 1 and a half acres.  Any info would
>be appreciated.

>Brian and the Duck

Most triploid grass carp can be purchased in Arkansas.  Be sure to
check with your state wildlfe department to see if grass carp are
legal.
Reno, Nevada
rphen@ix.netcom.com



From pruetjd@mail.auburn.edu Sun Jul 30 01:42:55 EDT 1995
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John D Pruett (pruetjd@mail.auburn.edu) wrote:
: I have recently stocked a pond and the Arkansas fish producers 
: recommended that I put fathead minnows in the pond.  I stocked the pond 
: with bluegill and largemouth.  I am afraid the pond may me slightly 
: overstocked.  Would dumping fathead minnows prevent my fish from becoming 
: stunted?  I was afraid to put them in initially because i know that 
: minnows some sometimes overtake a pond, or at least i have heard this.  
: I was also told that fathead minnows will not get any larger than 4".  Is 
: this also true?  Can anyone make any recommendations.  Maybe I should try 
: to locate someone at Auburn University?

I must say that this group has been very supportive.  I have been given a 
reply by Mr. Meredith and I would like to say that I appreciate the 
support.  I have not followed up on his contacts, but I believe as anyone 
who you could find to sell you fathead minnows will tell you, they are 
good for your pond.  When I follow up on Mr. Meredith's advice, I will 
advise all in this newsgroup.  I am sure there are several people with 
small ponds who would like to know if these little critters are the best 
source of food supply and nutrition available (with little effort of 
course).  Thanks for your patience and I hope to provide some enlightenment.

jp


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From: vbusto@Direct.CA (Vince Busto)
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Steven Poet <poets@ccmail.orst.edu> wrote:

>..and just look how well the anadromous species are doing in that 
>region.  Maybe the folks in Hawaii should start from scratch, and 
>"build a better mousetrap".

You need more than fishways.  You need a good management shceme and
cooperation from all groups affecting the resource.

I would contact Chris Katopodis for information on existing fishway
designs.

 KATOPODIS@AM@WPGDFO

Vince Busto




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From: jrm@windy.blwtl.uwo.ca (Jim R Millar)
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Hello, I couldn't find a newsgroup that matched what I was looking for
but anyway, here goes:

I have a friend finishing her statistics degree, and she'd like to do
a Master's degree in water pollution.  She's Japanese and would like
to do it in Japan.  The problem is that in Japan, water pollution is
not studied much because industry doesn't want to deal with the
problem. (So she says...)  Anyway, do any of you know of anyone Japan
that she could do a Master's with in water pollution?
Please email your reply to:
jrm@windy.blwtl.uwo.ca
Thankyou very much.
-James


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In article <173E28C8CS85.BALBUENA@vm.ci.uv.es>, BALBUENA@vm.ci.uv.es 
says...
>
>I am looking for information concerning the economic importance of 
marine
>fisheries and aquaculture in the world. Is there any source where I can
>get the % of GNP of these activities by country? I would really 
appreciate
>any answer.
> 
>================================================================
>Juan A. Balbuena
>Department of Animal Biology, University of Valencia, Spain.
>phone: +34 6 386 43 75   fax: +34 6 386 43 72
>e-mail: balbuena@uv.es
>================================================================

Seems like the World Bank would have your data.  They had that kind of 
information is avialable for the Philippines and may also be available 
for other nations.

Good Luck
CA



From stevek@iphc.washington.edu Sun Jul 30 01:42:58 EDT 1995
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From: stevek@iphc.washington.edu (Steve Kaimmer)
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Subject: Re: Cispis River in Washington State?
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In article <3v6bii$m4p@bbs.pnl.gov>, cr_batishko@pnl.gov says...
>
>I know this is not the rec.fishing location, but thought there may be 
somebody
>out there who knows this relatively unknown river.  Anybody know the 
Cispis
>River.  It is a tributary of the Cowlitz, I believe, and is located NW 
of
>Mt. Adams and WSW of Goat Rocks in the Gifford Pinchot Forest of central
>Washington state.  I've never been there, but will be this weekend and 
would
>like to know what fish are found there and if there is any reasonable 
chance
>of good fishing.  My only info is from 1968 and 1969 "fishing guides", 
so is
>badly out of date.  They both agree that the stream contains rainbow,
>cutthroat, and Dolly Varden, with brook trout in the upper reaches.  Can
>anybody confirm that, or better yet, add to it?
>
>Thanks very much.
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Chuck                      | "Be sure you see what you
>cr_batishko@pnl.gov |     look at..." - Cap Huff
>                               |     Rabble in Arms by
>                               |     Kenneth Roberts
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Lucky you.  In the late 70's, I fished this a few times.  A power company 
put a dam on the river, and as compensation, agreed to stock the river.  
They stock(ed?) silver salmon.  They get to 18 or 20 inches.  Spin cast 
off the banks with dick nite's or canadian wonders, that type of lure, 
use light gear, 6 pound main line.  Have fun.



From barbara@hambel.demon.co.uk Sun Jul 30 01:42:59 EDT 1995
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Are there any groups interested in Taxonomy and 
Systematics of Parasitic Copepoda both of fishes 
and invertebrates?
Thanks, B.



From mycol1@unm.edu Sun Jul 30 01:43:00 EDT 1995
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From: mycol1@unm.edu (Bryant)
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I am studying secondary sexual characteristics in fathead minnows and red 
shiners (Pimephales promelas and Cyprinella sp.).  

I wish to study the effect of parasites on the expression of these 
traits.  Does anybody out there know where I may obtain viruses or 
bacteria which use these fish as hosts?  

Thanks in advance.  Bryant




From robe8741@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu Sun Jul 30 01:43:01 EDT 1995
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From: robe8741@raven.csrv.uidaho.edu (Frank Roberts)
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_____________________________________________________
  			JOB ANNOUNCEMENT
	
POSITION:		Fisheries Habitat Biologist
JOB LOCATION:		Plummer, Idaho
START DATE:		October 1, 1995
SALARY:			$27,000-$35,000 DOE
CLOSING DATE:		September 1, 1995

QUALIFICATIONS

	1.)  	Bachelor of Science in fisheries biology or 
		closely related field with at least three 
		years of professional  experience in fisheries
		habitat restoration.

	2.)	Good communication skills both written and oral,
		are necessary in developing and maintaining
		professional relationships and aggressively 
		promoting the habitat restoration program with
		both Tribal and non tribal, Public and Local, 
		State, and Federal Agencies
	
	3.)	Knowledge of the principles, techniques and 
		practices of fisheries management and biology
 		to contribute in the development and management 
		of a sound fisheries program.

	4.)	Completion of the knowledge, skills and abilities
		portion of this application.

DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES

Responsible for planning, organizing and directing activities 
related to the fisheries enhancement program on the 
Coeur d'Alene Reservation.

Responsible for development of landowner liaison and perform field 
reconnaissance in preparation for implementation of habitat 
improvement projects.

Prepare riparian easements, landowner cooperative agreements
and construction and maintenance contracts to implement and 
maintain habitat enhancement projects.

Function as project leader in implementation of fish habitat 
enhancement projects.

Provide technical assistance to and coordinate with 
various entities regarding habitat improvement 
programs on private, public and tribal lands.

Prepare reports, statement of work, draft necessary budgets to 
implement restoration work.

Supervise habitat technicians.

Perform other duties as assigned

KNOWLEDGE, SKILLS AND ABILITY

Candidates will be evaluated on answers to "knowledge, skills, and 
Abilities: (KSA's).  Use a separate sheet of paper to answer the 
following questions.  To receive full credit for your 
qualifications, be sure to describe experiences, training, 
awards, hobbies, self development achievements and any aspects 
of your background which demonstrates the level of KSA's you 
possess. The KSA's will be the principle basis for 
determining whether or not you are highly qualified for 
the job.

	a.)	Describe experience in planning, designing and 
		implementing  fish habitat restorations projects. 
		Provide specific examples of a project you either 
		designed or managed.  Include examples of
 		complexity and responsibility.

	b.)	Describe knowledge, training and experience 
		related to fish population dynamics, 
		geomorphic processes associated with stream 
		stability and fish habitat needs and how 
		this has been applied in past work history.

	c.)	Describe examples of working relationships with 
		public and private groups, and provide an 
		example of skills related to working with 
		these groups.

	d.)	Describe skills utilized in supervising and 
		training other workers and working as a 
		"team member".

	e.)	Provide three references who have a good 
		knowledge of your work experience.

The Coeur d'Alene Tribe is an equal oppurtunity employer with 
the exception that Indian preference may be given in accordance 
with Public Law 93-638 (The Indian Self-Determination and 
Education Assistance Act).

HOW TO APPLY

A tribal application packet may be obtained by writing to the 
address below or telephoning (208) 686-1800. Applicant will
be rated on the completion of the Knowledge, skills and 
abilities (KSA) portion of this announcement. Submit a cover
letter stating the desired position you are applying for, 
and some personal background information along with a resume,
curriculum vitae or other appropriate documents and Tribal 
Application to:
	
			Coeur d'Alene Tribe
 			ATTN.:  Sharon Johnson
			Personnel Department
			Rt. 1 Box 11 FA
			Plummer, ID  83851


------------------------------------------------------------

  		JOB ANNOUNCEMENT
	
POSITION:		Tribal Biologist
JOB LOCATION:		Plummer, Idaho
START DATE:		October 1, 1995
SALARY:			$27,000-$35,000 DOE
CLOSING DATE:		September 1, 1995

QUALIFICATIONS

	1.)  	Bachelor of Science in fisheries biology 
		with at least three years of professional 
		experience in fisheries.  Some experience 
		in designing and implementing hatchery 
		supplementation projects is preferred.

	2.)	Good communication skills both written and oral, 
		are necessary in developing and maintaining 
		professional relationships and aggressively 
		promoting the habitat restoration program 
		with both Tribal and non tribal, public and 
		local, state, and federal agencies.

	3.)	Knowledge of the principles, techniques 
		and practices of fisheries management and 
		biology to contribute in the development 
		and management of a sound fisheries program.

	4.)	Completion of the knowledge, skills and 
		abilities portion of this application.

DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES


The incumbent is responsible for obtaining, compiling and 
interpreting biological data to help in the planning and 
development of the tribal hatchery.  This includes an 
understanding of the development of production goals, 
carrying capacity, harvest rates and escapement values.  

Provide technical assistance to and coordinate with 
various entities regarding fishery resources 
affecting the Coeur d'Alene Tribe.

Prepare reports as needed.

Responsible for assisting in the development of
a fishery management plan to implement a 
reservation wide fishery program.

Participates in public awareness activities which 
include speaking at meetings, schools field trips and 
presentation of papers at symposia. 

As assigned, the incumbent will participate in those 
meetings related to the Coeur d'Alene Basin Restoration 
Project, Interdisciplinary team meetings for Tribal 
Forestry and other activities and other meetings as assigned.

Supervise fisheries technicians.

KNOWLEDGE, SKILLS AND ABILITY

Candidates will be evaluated on answers to "Knowledge, 
Skills, and Abilities: (KSA's).  Use a separate sheet 
of paper to answer the following questions.  To receive
full credit for your qualifications, be sure to describe
experiences, training, awards, hobbies, self development
achievements and any aspects of your background which 
demonstrates the level of KSA's you possess.  The KSA's
will be the principle basis for determining whether or not 
you are highly qualified for the job.

	a.)	Describe experience in planning, designing 
		and implementing fish production and harvest
		programs.  Provide specific examples of a 
		project you either designed or managed.  
		Include examples of complexity and 
		responsibility.

	b.)	Describe knowledge, training and experience
		related to fish  habitat and supplementation 
		and how this has been applied in past 
		work assignments.

	c.)	Describe examples of working relationships 
		with public and private groups, and provide
		an example of skills related to working with 
		these groups.

	d.)	Describe skills utilized in supervising and 
		training other workers and working 
		as a "team member".

	e.)	Provide three references who have a good
		knowledge of your work experience.

The Coeur d'Alene Tribe is an equal oppurtunity employer with 
the exception that Indian preference may be given in accordance 
with Public Law 93-638 (The Indian Self-Determination and
Education Assistance Act).

HOW TO APPLY

A tribal application packet may be obtained by writing to
the address below or telephoning (208) 686-1800. 
Applicant will be rated on the completion of the Knowledge,
skills and abilities (KSA) portion of this announcement.  
Submit a cover letter stating the desired position you are
applying for, and some personal background information 
along with a resume, curriculum vitae or other appropriate 
documents and Tribal Application to
 	
			Coeur d'Alene Tribe
			ATTN.:  Sharon Johnson
			Personnel Department
			Rt. 1 Box 11 FA
			Plummer, ID  83851








From cr_batishko@pnl.gov Sun Jul 30 01:43:02 EDT 1995
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From: cr_batishko@pnl.gov (Chuck)
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Subject: Re: Cispis River - THANKS!
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In article <3v88hr$k8l@nntp5.u.washington.edu>, stevek@iphc.washington.edu (Steve Kaimmer) says:
>
>In article <3v6bii$m4p@bbs.pnl.gov>, cr_batishko@pnl.gov says...
>>
>>I know this is not the rec.fishing location, but thought there may be 
>somebody
>>out there who knows this relatively unknown river.  Anybody know the 
>Cispis
>>River
--- clip ---.
>Lucky you.  In the late 70's, I fished this a few times.  A power company 
>put a dam on the river, and as compensation, agreed to stock the river.  
>They stock(ed?) silver salmon.  They get to 18 or 20 inches.  Spin cast 
>off the banks with dick nite's or canadian wonders, that type of lure, 
>use light gear, 6 pound main line.  Have fun.
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks!  Actually, I'll probably try fly fishing, but based on what you say,
may take my ultralight spinning gear (2 lb usually, 4 lb max) with me.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chuck                      | "Be sure you see what you
cr_batishko@pnl.gov |     look at..." - Cap Huff
                               |     Rabble in Arms by
                               |     Kenneth Roberts
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From slscott@sfsu.edu Sun Jul 30 01:43:03 EDT 1995
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From: slscott@sfsu.edu (STACY LEAH SCOTT)
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Subject: Fish Osteology
Date: 29 Jul 1995 03:35:46 GMT
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I'm looking for references on fish osteology, with or without
illustration, both general and species-specific.  Thanks in
advance, and please either post or e-mail slscott@sfsu.edu

Stacy Scott


From kenacks@delphi.com Sun Jul 30 01:43:04 EDT 1995
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The first two issues (Summer and Fall, 1994) of
a newsletter entitled

"ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE VALUATION AND COST BENEFIT NEWS"

are available free of charge. Please send

Name________________________________________________
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Street Address______________________________________
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to kenacks@delphi.com call (516) 897-9728, or fax (516) 897-9185

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default) or a uuencoded (binary) wordperfect version.


From mlerner@minerva.cis.yale.edu Sun Jul 30 01:43:04 EDT 1995
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Do any of you know which lake in the US has the most fish/animal life?  
How would you find out?



From stewart@bud.peinet.pe.ca Sun Jul 30 22:50:34 EDT 1995
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From: stewart@bud.peinet.pe.ca (Paul Stewart)
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	I would like to correspond with anyone who has info on the 
establishment and maintenance of a cell line from fish epithelial tissue. 
I am especially interested in the media and methodologies most commonly 
used. 

ABIOGEN c/o Paul Stewart
RR #2 Vernon Bridge
Prince Edward Island
CANADA   C0A 2E0
stewart@cycor.ca


From BARKLEYT@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu Sun Jul 30 22:50:36 EDT 1995
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From: BARKLEYT@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu (Tim Barkley)
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Hi Stacy.  We show the following reference in our database.
You can probably order this book to your local library through
the inter-library loan system by on of the call numbers (OCLC,
ISN, LCCN etc).  Good luck.

Tim Barkley
Information Coordinator for Sustainable Agriculture
Ohio State University Extension
barkleyt@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu

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CALL #       QL639 .R54 1991.
AUTHOR       Rojo, Alfonso L., 1921-
TITLE        Dictionary of evolutionary fish osteology / Alfonso L. Rojo.
IMPRINT      Boca Raton : CRC Prees, c1991.
DESCRIPT'N   273 p. : ill. ; 27 cm.
NOTE         English, French, German, Latin, Russian, and Spanish.
             Includes bibliographical references (p. 180-197)
SUBJECT      Fishes --Anatomy --Dictionaries --Polyglot.
             Fishes --Evolution --Dictionaries --Polyglot.
             Bones --Dictionaries --Polyglot.
             Dictionaries, Polyglot.
OCLC #       23766047.
ISN/OTHER#   0849342147.
LCCN         91-16508.
ALT #        4903493.

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In <3vcaai$t3h@news.csus.edu> slscott@sfsu.edu writes:

> I'm looking for references on fish osteology, with or without
> illustration, both general and species-specific.  Thanks in
> advance, and please either post or e-mail slscott@sfsu.edu
> 
> Stacy Scott


From koeltz@shout.net Sun Jul 30 22:50:37 EDT 1995
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our Ichthyology catalog is available for viewing and downloading at
http://www.shout.net/~koeltz/



From ah194@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Jul 31 11:31:20 EDT 1995
Article: 516 of sci.bio.fisheries
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From: ah194@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Don McAllister)
Subject: Oil slick and trawled bottom area
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Hi Sci.bio.fisheries

I am seeking data on how much of the ocean surface
is covered by oil slicks and how much of the
continental shelf is regularly trawled by otter,
beam and other trawls.

Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Don
--
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Canadian Museum of Nature ####  3332 McCarthy Road, Ottawa, ON K1V 0W0
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From gotmyespy@aol.com Mon Jul 31 22:00:04 EDT 1995
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Xref: bigblue.oit.unc.edu sci.med.nutrition:28361 sci.bio.fisheries:517

There is a company called "Nature's Catch" that owns fish ponds and grows
striped bass & talapia (sp?). It's supposedly very health-conscious stuff
>from  what I hear, but I've never personally had any. I think they sell to
industrial kitchens and schools mostly. 
Anyone ever hear of this place?


From Roger@ducks.demon.co.uk Tue Aug  1 09:09:15 EDT 1995
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From: roger <Roger@ducks.demon.co.uk>
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The Velvet Crab (Liocarcinus puber) has been a neglected species around
the British coast, but is set to become commercially important.

One of the problems with these crabs is that they are less hardy than
other species and do not survive long out of water. (They may be harmed
by pressure changes.)

Has anyone any relevant information, including details of commercial
exploitation elsewhere.

Roger
 
-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
               A dragon in shallows falls victim to shrimps.
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From: brett3@ix.netcom.com (brett rowley)
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I'm beginning to wonder if anybody comes to this group, or are all
fisheries people too shy to post? I'll try and bring a little life by
posting something every now and then rather than only read the two or
three articles that appear daily.
Anybody out there hatching blue catfish (Ictalurus furcatus)? If so,
have you seen any albinos? We hatched and shipped about 500,000 fry
this spring, and I noticed that in some of the remnants in one trough
there was an albino. I've hatched over 20 million blue cats in the last
15 years and never seen an albino till now. I'm raising the albino in
the trough and would like to get another one or two if they exist.
Please post or e-mail me if you know of such. TIA, 
Brett Rowley
Fisheries biologist



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From: kcowing@aibs.org (Keith L. Cowing)
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American Institute of Biological Sciences (AIBS) 
46th Annual Meeting
Town & Country Hotel, San Diego, CA
August 6 - 10, 1995

For further information on the AIBS Annual Meeting, contact Donna Haegele
at 202-628-1500 x254 (voice), 202-628-1509 (FAX), or via email at
dhaegele@aibs.org   

You can also check our gopher at gopher.aibs.org or via WWW at gopher://aibs.org

Selected Program Highlights 

____________________

Sunday, August 6
____________________

Plenary Session
7:00 pm, Presidio Room

The opening session features a talk by the AIBS President's Award
recipient, Francisco Ayala, the Donald Bren Professor of Biological
Sciences and Professor of Philosophy at the University of California at
Irvine.  

AIBS awards to be presented during the plenary session are: 


€ President's Award: Francisco Ayala, University of California at Irvine,
for his efforts to keep evolution in school curricula

€ Distinguished Service: John Cairns, Jr., Virginia Polytechnic Institute
and State University, for his continued work on the application of
ecological information in management

€ Media Award: Rosie Mestel for her article in the October 1994 issues of
Discover Magazine entitle "Ascent of the Dog"


€ Past President: Harold Mooney, Stanford University, for his valued
service to the Institute 

____________________

Monday, August 7
____________________

Plenary Symposium: Ethics, Science, and Public Policy
8:30 am, Presidio Room

The plenary session examines science-ethics dilemmas in public agencies,
academia, the private sector, and the law.  Topics include "The strange
case of ethics and agency science," "The pressures of organizations and
the responsibilities of university professors," "Ethical tensions in
technical consulting," and "Ethics vs. science vs. the law."  


Insights from Recent Studies of Early Succession 
8:00 am, Padre Room

This session examines succession of communities in areas such as Mount St.
Helens and the Indiana dunes.  Other talks include "The role of understory
disturbances in succession: The tyranny of small decisions," "Experiments
on mechanisms of primary succession," "Arrested succession," and
"Trajectories of succession and restoration of southern California
shrublands after anthropogenic disturbance."  


Conservation Biology: Bridging the Gap Between Research and Practice (2
sessions)
8:00 am, Sierra Room

Talks in this session include "Influence of population genetic structure
on reproductive output in rare plants," "Genetic erosion and fitness
consequences in small populations of plants: What is the evidence?"
"Hybridization in rare plants: Implications for conservation biology," and
"Genetics in conservation programs, or when do we need designer genes?" 

1:00 pm, Sierra Room
Topics in this section include "Developing a strategy for conservation of
native Monterey pine forests in California," "Population viability
assessments for plant species associated with old-growth Douglas-fir
forest ecosystems in the Pacific Northwest," "Managing for rare plants
within the Columbia River Basin," and "Scientific assessment of the
distributional patterns of rare and/or endemic plants for the Sierra
Nevada."  

Scientific and Ethical Concerns with Agricultural and Environmental
Biotechnology
1:00 pm, Chamber Room

Discussion will focus on the concerns with biotechnology advances in
agriculture and its effect on the environment. 

The Science and Ethics of "Artificial" (Classical and Neoclassical)
Biological Control
2:00 pm, Council Room

This session explores the ethics and science of using living organisms to
control pest populations as an environmentally sound alternative to
chemical pest control.  Talks include "The ethics of biological control:
Understanding the moral responsibility of our most powerful ecological
technology," and "Extinction and other environmental impacts caused by
introduced biological control agents."  

Special Lecture: The Lost Genius of Wilhelm Hofmeister: The Origin of
Causal-Analytical Research in Plant Development
4:00 pm, Presidio Room


Essential Botanical Knowledge at the College/University Level (2 sessions)
4:30 pm, Adobe Room

Talks include "Teaching genetics: hands-on science in teaching,"
"Introducing ethical issues into technical courses," and "Including
research and research-like experiences in teaching the plant sciences."  

____________________

Tuesday, August 8
____________________

The Natural History of the Southwest, Its Flora and Fauna: A Tribute to
the Career of Charles H. Lowe
8:00 am, Hampton Room

The symposium will honor Dr. C. H. Lowe, University of Arizona, for his
commitment to understanding the herpetofauna and vegetation of the
Southwest.  It will also present new information and synthetic works on
organisms and ecosystems shaped by the complex and stressful environments
of the American Southwest.   


Ecological Models for Environmental Risk and Policy Analysis
8:15 am, Committee Room

Ecological modeling for predicting effects of various pollutants will be
discussed.  Talks include "Modelling the fate and effects of pollutants in
aquatic ecosystems," "Assessing uncertainty and risk in exploited marine
populations," "New paradigms for models in fishery and forest management,"
and "Modelling extinction rates based on species distributions and land
conversion rates."  


Open Discussion - International Society for Ecological Modeling
1:00 pm, Committee Room

An open forum for the discussion of the current and future state of
modelling, systems analysis, and simulation in ecology and natural
resource management as it relates to education, communication with
resource managers, policy makers and funding agencies, and anything else
of concern to those with an interest in ecological modelling.  

Exploitative Interactions of Flowers and Insects: The Evolution of
Balanced Conflict (2)
1:30 pm, Senate Room

Evolutionary adaptions of plants including tropical vines, angiosperms,
and yuccas are explored in conjunction with changes from those insects
that pollinate those species such as bees and hummingbirds.  Specific
talks include "Exploitation, cheating and the mutualism-antagonism
continuum," and "The evolutionary consequences of variation in pollinator
environment."  

Essential Botanical Knowledge at the College/University Level (2nd session)
4:45 pm, Forum Room

This second section includes talks on "Ethics in science: Whose work is it
anyhow?" The value of women role models in teaching botany," and "How to
get everything done that needs to get done in freshman botany besides
teaching content."  

____________________

Wednesday, August 9
____________________

Vegetation and Floristics of the United States-Mexican Boundary Region (2
sessions)
8:00 am, Presidio Room

Talks include "Introduction: The biogeography and ecology of the Frontera
region," "Evolution and historical biogeography of the Chihuahuan and
Sonoran Deserts," "Anthropogenic vegetation change along the U.S./Mexico
boundary," and "Range limitations of the flora of the western Frontera.  

Genetic Engineering and Conservation
8:30 am, Sunrise Room

Talks will include "Will transgenes escape into natural populations?"
"Ecological safety assessment of transgentic plants," "Genetic engineering
and the conservation of rare forest species," and "Genomic analysis and
the environment."  


Medicinal Plants: The Importance and Impact of the Search for
Plant-Derived Drugs
8:40 am, Committee Room

Talks include "The past, present and future importance of plant-derived
medicines," 
"Plants as a source of novel drugs: The NCI experience," and "The impact
of bioprospecting on botanical research and conservation."  The session
will also present studies from several regions, including Honduas, Zambia,
and Nicaragua.  


Vegetation and Floristics of the United States-Mexican Boundary Region (2
sessions)
1:00 pm, Presidio Room

Talks in the second session include "The vernal pools of souther
California and northern Baja California, Mexico," "Disrupted
plant/pollinator relationships in the U.S./Mexico border states: Effects
of chemically-induced habitat fragmentation," "Afterward: The future of
the biota of the Frontera," and "Systematic studies on oak woodlands of
the border region in southwestern North America."  


Forensic Botany: Plant Sciences in the Courts
1:00 pm, Sunrise Room

This symposium will provide an in-depth introduction into forensic botany
and will include a discussion of evidence in the Lindbergh case.  Other
talks include "Forensic botany: An under-utilized resource," "Forensic
botany: The entomological evidence," and Forensic botany: The soil
alternative."   


WORKSHOPS

Although workshops have a nominal fee, this fee may be waived for
credentialed press.  Please contact Jennie Moehlmann at AIBS for more
information (202-628-1500 x240 or jmoehlmann@aibs.org).

____________________

Sunday, August 6
____________________

Workshop: An Introduction to World Wide Web
9:00 am, San Diego State University, Student Services Building, Room 2659


Workshop: Teaching Critical Thinking Skills (2 sessions)
9:00 am, Council/Chamber Room
1:00 pm, Council/Chamber Room


Workshop: Preparing the Next Generation of Biology Instructors (2 sessions)
1:00 pm, University of San Diego, Serra Hall, Room 210


____________________

Wednesday, August 9
____________________

Workshop: Mycology in Sustainable Development: Expanding Concepts,
Vanishing Borders
1:00 pm, Padre Room

This workshop will include discussions of environmentally friendly new
technologies such as biocontrol agents and recombinant symbiosis,
bioprospecting, and enlightened management techniques.

-- 
Keith L. Cowing  -  Manager of Planning and Operations
American Institute of Biological Sciences
10700 Parkridge Blvd Suite 380  -  Reston, VA, USA 22091
703-758-1212 voice  -  703-758-1222 fax
kcowing@aibs.org  -  gopher://aibs.org


From cr_batishko@pnl.gov Wed Aug  2 22:39:48 EDT 1995
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From: cr_batishko@pnl.gov (Chuck)
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Subject: Re: Cispis River in Washington State? - Follow-up Report
Date: 31 Jul 1995 20:56:03 GMT
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In article <3v6bii$m4p@bbs.pnl.gov>, cr_batishko@pnl.gov (Chuck) says:
>
>I know this is not the rec.fishing location, but thought there may be somebody
>out there who knows this relatively unknown river.  Anybody know the Cispis
>River.
--- clip ---
For any having an interest, I spent the weekend at Adams Forks Campground
on the Cispus.  Most of the folks there had trail bikes and were off elsewhere
leaving the stream pretty deserted.  The water was quite cloudy from reported
upstream rains, but looked more like glacier melt to me.  I fished nymphs and
tried dry flies without a strike or any hint of a strike and saw no action to
convince me that fish were present.  By Sunday, the water had cleared some
but was still a little milky.

Both days I moved to the North Fork of the Cispus and caught fish from 3" to
8" (releasing all carefully from mostly barbless hooks), exclusively on dry
flies - not a touch on a wet.  Fish were rainbow and cutthroat trout. Given this
the regulations are a bit curious - 2 fish limit over 8", no more than one over 12".
This is similar to many streams here in Washington where there seems to be
little chance of fish of any size.  Can anybody explain the logic?  It seems
unlikley that there are fish over 12" (rare exeption?) - not even salmon or
steelhead since I understand they are blocked by dams.

Bright spots in an otherwise dull fishing story:  the weather,scenery and
solitude were glorious, and we found wild blueberries, black caps and one
other black berry (marionberry? - not sure of identification) that were ripe and
wonderful.
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Chuck                      | "Be sure you see what you
>cr_batishko@pnl.gov |     look at..." - Cap Huff
>                               |     Rabble in Arms by
>                               |     Kenneth Roberts
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chuck                      | "Be sure you see what you
cr_batishko@pnl.gov |     look at..." - Cap Huff
                               |     Rabble in Arms by
                               |     Kenneth Roberts
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


From Pavilion_sub@pavilion.co.uk Wed Aug  2 22:39:50 EDT 1995
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From: Pavilion_sub@pavilion.co.uk (Quentin)
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Subject: contributors sought
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 19:41:28 +0000
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I'm posting this again, as there weren't a lot of replies last time....

A commercial fisheries publication, based in the UK and appearing
fortnightly is seeking potential contributors around the world.
Although the magazine is concerned primarily with the European fishing
industries, it is due to expand its scope later this year, and will be
carrying worldwide news. The European coverage will probably remain
unchanged, but the editor intends to devote more space to news from Asia,
including Japan and China, and in North and South America.
Anyone interested in contributing and/or seeking further information,
please contact me, (preferably with a mailing address if you would like to
see a sample copy) and I will pass on your details to the editor.

Quentin

<  quentin@pavilion.co.uk  >


From barbara@hambel.demon.co.uk Wed Aug  2 22:39:51 EDT 1995
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Subject: J.L.B. Smith
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Anyone at J.L.B. Smith Institute of Ichthyology,
Grahamstown, South Africa on Internet please?



From zapitb4@aol.com Wed Aug  2 22:39:52 EDT 1995
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From: zapitb4@aol.com (Zapitb4)
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Our pond is void of vegatation. The deepest part is 12 ft.. The location
is central Illinios. The water temp is 84 degrees. Algea is forming? What
is causing it? Will vegatation cure the problem. I am sorry for my
spelling. Waol needs a spell checker. Thanks in advance for any help.


From Tghynes@execpc.com Wed Aug  2 22:39:54 EDT 1995
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From: tghynes@execpc.com (Tom Hynes)
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Subject: Re: grass eating carp
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 03:54:10 GMT
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whatduck@ix.netcom.com (whatduck) wrote:

>   I have a small pond in Northern IL and currently suffering from a
>weed problem.  I would like to put grass eating carp into the pond but
>I'm not sure where to get them or how many to get.  I know they need
>to be sterile.  The pond is about 1 and a half acres.  Any info would
>be appreciated.

>Brian and the Duck

Brian,

It is my understanding that normally sterile grass eating
carp are employed.  However, some unethical vendors have
been selling non-sterile fish as sterile.

In WI, MN, MI it is against the law to bring in either
sterile or non-sterile fish.  I'm not sure of the status in
IL.  In WI you will pay for the DNR to kill and remove all
fish, even in a private pond, if they become aware of these
fish in the state. Has happened to some golf courses. 

There has been some studies which indicate an increase in
the amount of algae after introduction of these fish.  The
fish do not digest very thoroughly.  This resulted in
detrimental effects on light penetration which killed the
desired plants, habitat, etc. wreaking more havoc than the
weeds which they were cure.

A group of us wanted to do a commercial venture to control
millfoil in lakes.  A member of the WI DNR relayed this
information  via telecon. 

PS: I threw out the address, but the vendor was in Ohio.



From Tghynes@execpc.com Wed Aug  2 22:39:54 EDT 1995
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From: tghynes@execpc.com (Tom Hynes)
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Subject: Re: grass eating carp
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whatduck@ix.netcom.com (whatduck) wrote:

>   I have a small pond in Northern IL and currently suffering from a
>weed problem.  I would like to put grass eating carp into the pond but
>I'm not sure where to get them or how many to get.  I know they need
>to be sterile.  The pond is about 1 and a half acres.  Any info would
>be appreciated.

>Brian and the Duck

Brian,

It is my understanding that normally sterile grass eating
carp are employed.  However, some unethical vendors have
been selling non-sterile fish as sterile.

In WI, MN, MI it is against the law to bring in either
sterile or non-sterile fish.  I'm not sure of the status in
IL.  In WI you will pay for the DNR to kill and remove all
fish, even in a private pond, if they become aware of these
fish in the state. Has happened to some golf courses. 

There has been some studies which indicate an increase in
the amount of algae after introduction of these fish.  The
fish do not digest very thoroughly.  This resulted in
detrimental effects on light penetration which killed the
desired plants, habitat, etc. wreaking more havoc than the
weeds which they were cure.

A group of us wanted to do a commercial venture to control
millfoil in lakes.  A member of the WI DNR relayed this
information  via telecon. 

PS: I threw out the address, but the vendor was in Ohio.



From lektrode@interpac.net Wed Aug  2 22:39:56 EDT 1995
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From: Lektrode <lektrode@interpac.net>
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Subject: Hawaiian International Billfish Tournament
Date: 2 Aug 1995 04:15:40 GMT
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Aloha and Greetings from Kona, Hawai`i.......

The 37th HIBT is under way and this event will be of interest to those in
the marine research community.

A tag and release fishing tournament, the focal point this year will be 
the tagging of 7 Pacific Blue Marlin with transponders for satellite 
tracking by the Pacific Ocean Research Foundation. (PORF)

The PORF scientific team headed by Dr Peter Saul and board of governors:

Dr Barbara Block - Stanford
Dr Richard Brill - Nat'l Marine Fisheries Svc - Honolulu
Dr Peter Davie - Massey University NZ
Dr Charles Daxboeck - Biodax Consulting - Hawai`i
Dr John Graves - Virginia Inst of Marine Sciences
Dr Carol Hopper - Waikiki Aquarium
Dr Julian Pepperell - Sydney AUS

- are in Kona for this very special event and will be working to promote 
knowledge and conservation of the fisheries of Hawai`i and the world.

For the first time the research community will be able to monitor the 
movements of the tagged billfish with sophisticated satellite tracking 
technology utilizing NOAA satellites, and the Internet.

Scientific and research teams from PORF, NOAA, UHawai`i Pelagic Fisheries 
Research Program and a contingent of graduate students from Stanford 
working with the Monterey Bay Aquarium and the Tuna Research and 
Conservation Center in Monterey CA will be collaborating to bring a 
wealth of new information to efforts to conserve the worlds rapidly 
depleting fisheries.

Sponsorship of the research is key to it's continuation and is the 
primary focus of the Hawaiian International Billfish Tournament which 
has drawn 72 teams of experienced anglers from around the world.

More information can be had from the URL below and a mailing list is 
being formed for SPECIAL REPORTS direct from Tournament Headquarters 
in Kona.

to receive these reports:

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From Tghynes@execpc.com Wed Aug  2 22:39:57 EDT 1995
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From: tghynes@execpc.com (Tom Hynes)
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Subject: Re: grass eating carp
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 04:19:16 GMT
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whatduck@ix.netcom.com (whatduck) wrote:

>   I have a small pond in Northern IL and currently suffering from a
>weed problem.  I would like to put grass eating carp into the pond but
>I'm not sure where to get them or how many to get.  I know they need
>to be sterile.  The pond is about 1 and a half acres.  Any info would
>be appreciated.

>Brian and the Duck

Brian,

It is my understanding that normally sterile grass eating
carp are employed.  However, some unethical vendors have
been selling non-sterile fish as sterile.

In WI, MN, MI it is against the law to bring in either
sterile or non-sterile fish.  I'm not sure of the status in
IL.  In WI you will pay for the DNR to kill and remove all
fish, even in a private pond, if they become aware of these
fish in the state. Has happened to some golf courses. 

There has been some studies which indicate an increase in
the amount of algae after introduction of these fish.  The
fish do not digest very thoroughly.  This resulted in
detrimental effects on light penetration which killed the
desired plants, habitat, etc. wreaking more havoc than the
weeds which they were cure.

A group of us wanted to do a commercial venture to control
millfoil in lakes.  A member of the WI DNR relayed this
information  via telecon. 

PS: I threw out the address, but the vendor was in Ohio.



From reakins@beak.com Thu Aug  3 22:37:47 EDT 1995
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Any of the Great Lakes especially Lake Erie would be my best guess.

Rob Eakins
Fisheries Biologist

BEAK CONSULTANTS LIMITED



From reakins@beak.com Thu Aug  3 22:37:48 EDT 1995
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The drawing of the the trout is a brown.  Salmon eriox is an old name.

Rob Eakins
Fisheries Biologist

BEAK CONSULTANTS LIMITED



From clance@aztec.co.za Thu Aug  3 22:37:49 EDT 1995
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From: Caradoc Lance <clance@aztec.co.za>
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The FISH AFRICA '95 EXHIBITION is happening in Cape Town, South Africa 
>from  Nov. 30 - Dec 2 ..... Bringing buyers and sellers together for their 
mutual benefit ....... and covering everything from SEAFOOD / AQUACULTURE 
/ ELECTRONICS / FISHING etc. to BOATS / EQUIPMENT / MACHINERY / ICE - 
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From Robin.Stock@ping.be Thu Aug  3 22:37:50 EDT 1995
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Subject: AD: Looking to invest in an aquaculture project in South-America
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Our company is looking for a partner , to merge or acquire an
aquaculture project in South-Amrica. (Chili, Argentine, Equador)


Please contact us for more information

Regards

Robin Stock

W&M Belgium

Email: Robin.stock@ping.be

fax: 32 81 30 18 23





From nna@le.ac.uk Thu Aug  3 22:37:51 EDT 1995
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From: "A.J.Cann" <nna@le.ac.uk>
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Subject: Spawning induced by iodine?
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I have heard rumours recently that some species of fish have been 
induced to spawn in aquaria by the addition of 0.5-1% potassium iodide 
to the water. I assume the logic for this is the regulation of endocrine 
hormones by iodine & therefore presumably, the ultimate release of 
pituitary hormones. This is therefore an alternative to pituitary 
hormone injections.
Does anyone know anything about this and/or does it sound feasible?

Dr Alan J. Cann  PhD,   Department of Microbiology & Immunology,
University of Leicester,  P.O. Box 138,  Medical Sciences Building,
University Road, Leicester LE1 9HN,  UK.
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From dbonar@olympus.net Mon Aug 14 13:23:01 EDT 1995
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From: dbonar@olympus.net (Dale B. Bonar)
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In article <3vrnu4$a9j@neptunus.pi.net>, Lub Ras <multi@pi.net> wrote:
>I have added some sections to SeafoodNet with links to:
>- Scientific Resources for Marine Fish etc. 
>- Aquaculture
>
>Also I included sections for Aquaria and Sportfishing with links to
>interesting sides.
>
>You are welcome to check it out! However, there could still be some
>thing not functioning properly.
>SeafoodNet: URL =    http://www.pi.net/~multi/seafood.htm


As of Wednesday, Aug. 9, the seafood.htm is empty.  Could you check to see if 
the file was loaded properly?

Dale


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dbonar@olympus.net (Dale B. Bonar) wrote:

>

>As of Wednesday, Aug. 9, the seafood.htm is empty.  Could you check to see if 
>the file was loaded properly?

>Dale

Dale,

I tested it myself today and the page was functioning properly.
However, i have made an update on Aug 6, i have added tables. 
Tables are supported by Netscape 1.1 browser, but i am now starting to
doubt how other browsers  are handling it.

Could you try it once moore, and if this is failing, please inform me
what browser you are using.

Best regards,
Lub Ras

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From zootw@zoo.latrobe.edu.au Mon Aug 14 13:23:05 EDT 1995
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Any ideas or references reguarding the impact that the periodicity of 
checking traps has on trapping success for small freshwater 
fish (30-40mm)?. Also has anyone had any success trapping in open
 water, I have had success in vegetated areas but none in open water
 and wonder whether this can be atributed to the nature of the fish
 or my trapping regime.

Thanks.





From Frank_A._Stancato@CC:Mail.bms.com Mon Aug 14 13:23:07 EDT 1995
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From: "Frank A. Stancato" <Frank_A._Stancato@CC:Mail.bms.com>
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Subject: Water chemistry effects (?) on fry gender
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Looking for info on the effects of water chemistry, (ie. pH,
salinity, hardness) on gender selection of fry of fresh water
game fish. I read an article on the ability to selectively 
produce more females in salt water fish using pressure.

Thanks,
Frank


From kenacks@delphi.com Mon Aug 14 13:23:08 EDT 1995
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The first three issues (Summer, 1994 through Winter, 1995) of
a newsletter entitled

"ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE VALUATION AND COST BENEFIT NEWS"

are available free of charge. Please send

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Street Address______________________________________
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to kenacks@delphi.com call (516) 897-9728, or fax (516) 897-9185

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The first three issues (Summer, 1994 through Winter, 1995) of
a newsletter entitled

"ENVIRONMENTAL DAMAGE VALUATION AND COST BENEFIT NEWS"

are available free of charge. Please send

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From multi@pi.net Mon Aug 14 13:23:10 EDT 1995
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From: multi@pi.net (Lub Ras )
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Subject: Re: Trout/ Aquaculture
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tract0r@aol.com (Tract0r) wrote:

>Please, please,please.......Any informati9on on raising trout,  trout
>farming I'mbuilding a trout farm and need some help.......Tract0r @aol

You can find on-line some information on starting up a trout
production. 

URL:gopher://thorplus.lib.purdue.edu:70/0R0-42098-/databases/AquaNIC/publicat/other_pubs/trout..pub
This material is based upon work supported by the Cooperative State 
Research Service and Extension Service, U.S. Department of 
Agriculture, under Special Project No. 87-EXCA-3-0836.

I quote for you the last section of this document:
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REFERENCES AND ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
	If you are a new or prospective trout farmer, not only will you 
need information concerning production management techniques, you 
may also need information concerning processing, marketing, 
economics, financial assistance, disease diagnostic services, water 
quality analyses, aquatic weed control, local and state laws and 
regulations, site selection and development, etc. In some areas, 
locating this information can be difficult.  The following are 
possible sources of information or assistance.

	1.	The County Cooperative Extension Service Office, usually 
listed under "County Government" in the telephone directory, 
can provide assistance. County Extension Agents are employees 
of Land Grant Universities. The County Agent may assist you 
directly or draw upon the experience and training of a 
university expert or refer you to some other state or federal 
agency who can provide you with the information or service you 
need.

   2.	In the coastal and Great Lake states, Land Grant Universities 
also have Sea Grant Programs. In many of these states, Marine 
Advisory Service Specialists can provide needed information.

   3.	State Game and Fish agencies may also be a source of 
information on laws and regulations, production technology and 
diseases.

   4.	The United States Department of Agriculture Soil Conservation 
Service can assist in site selection and facility development. 
This agency is usually listed in the telephone directory under 
"federal" or "United States Government."

   5.	The United States Department of Agriculture's five Regional 
Aquaculture Centers can also refer you to state specialists 
for other resources specific to your needs.

Center for Tropical and		
Subtropical Aquaculture
The Oceanic Institute Exp. Stn.
Makapu'u Point
Waimanalo, HI 96795

Western RegionalAquaculture Consortium		
School of Fisheries WH-10
University of Washington
Seattle, WA 98195

Southern Regional Aquaculture Center
Delta Branch 
P.O. Box 197	
Stoneville, MS 38776
	
North Central Regional Aquaculture Center			
Room 13 Nat. Res. Bldg.
Michigan State University	
East Lansing, MI 48824-1222

Northeast Regional Aquaculture Center
Univ. of Massachusetts-Dartmouth
Research 201
North Dartmouth, MA 02747

  6.	The United States Department of Agriculture National 
Agriculture Library is the National Aquaculture Information 
Center. It provides informational services on aquaculture. The 
address is:

							U.S. Department of Agriculture
							Aquaculture Information Center
							Room 304 National Agriculture Library
							10301 Baltimore Boulevard
							Beltsville, MD 20705


REFERENCES
Hinshaw, J.M. 1990. Trout Farming - Handling eggs and fry. 
Southern Regional Aquaculture Center Publication 220, 
Stoneville, MS. 

Hinshaw, J.M., L.E. Rogers and J.E. Easley.  1990.  Budgets for 
trout production -estimating costs and returns for trout 
farming in the south.  Southern Regional Aquaculture Center 
Publication 221, Stoneville, MS.

Hinshaw, J.M. 1990. Trout Farming - A guide to production and 
inventory management. Southern Regional Aquaculture Center 
Publication 222, Stoneville, MS.

Hinshaw, J.M. 1990. Trout Farming - Feeds and feeding methods. 
Southern Regional Aquaculture Center Publication 223, 
Stoneville, MS.

Kain, K. and D. Garling. 1993. Trout culture in the North Central 
Region.  North Central Regional Aquaculture Center Publication 
108, Michigan State University, East Lansing, Michigan.

Klontz, G.W. 1991. A manual for rainbow trout production on the 
family-owned farm. Nelson and Sons, Inc.  Murray, Utah.

Leitritz, E. and R.C. Lewis. 1980.  Trout and Salmon Culture. 
Division of Agricultural Sciences.  University of California.

Piper, R.G., I.B. McElwain, L.E. Orme, J.P. McCraren, L.G. Fowler 
and J.R. Leonard. 1982. Fish Hatchery Management. U.S. 
Department of Interior, Fish and Wildlife Service. Washington, 
D.C. 1982.

Stevenson, J.P. 1987. Trout Farming Manual.  Fishing News Books 
Limited.  Farnham, Surrey, England.
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Hope this info is usefull to you,

Best regards,
Lub Ras

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From johnso38@muvms6.wvnet.edu Mon Aug 14 13:23:12 EDT 1995
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I am setting up a hatchery for Angelfish and Discus and need some information.
I need to find sources for bulk activated carbon, ammonia removing resin, and
other needs.

Several months ago in the hobbiest magazines they mentioned in a sidebar that
the Japanese had developed a method of putting fish in a type of "suspended
animation" for shipping by air.  How can I find information about this
technology? How about the mild tranqualizers now used? How do I learn about
these?  Is ther a good referance that can tell me about these type of shipping
methods?  Please E-Mail me my server doesn't pick up everything that is posted.
Thanks,
F. Wayne Johnson, M.A.
Sarcatie Hatchery (future home of Almost Heaven Angels and Discus)
Huntington and Milton West Virginia
 


From shastarbt@aol.com Mon Aug 14 13:23:13 EDT 1995
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a good start is the book "Fish Hatchery Management" , R.Piper, ed.  I also
have seen a reference to a CRC Series book on Rainbow Trout Aquaculture
(may not be exact title) and their are lots of other rferences out there
as well.


From gcouger@agen.okstate.edu Mon Aug 14 13:23:15 EDT 1995
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From: gcouger@jsun.agen.okstate.edu (Gordon Couger)
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Subject: Re: Trapping small fish.
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In article <Pine.ULT.3.90.950810160132.1403A-100000-100000-100000-100000-100000@zoom.zoo.latrobe.edu.au>,
Tim Westbury  <zootw@zoo.latrobe.edu.au> wrote:
>
>Any ideas or references reguarding the impact that the periodicity of 
>checking traps has on trapping success for small freshwater 
>fish (30-40mm)?. Also has anyone had any success trapping in open
> water, I have had success in vegetated areas but none in open water
> and wonder whether this can be atributed to the nature of the fish
> or my trapping regime.
>
I have had very good luck trapping small fish in lakes and ponds. You just
need to build a trap with the right demensions for the target fish.

You have better luck near weed beds than in open water because  small fish
stay around weeds and away from open water.

If you are trapping in streams you can do much better by taking advantage
of fish swimming up stream. You use wing nets to direct fish into your
trap.

In running water you need to tend your traps much more often than in still
water. This might be several times a day in running water compaired to once
every couple or three days in still water.

Good luck
Gordon

Gordon Couger - 624 Cheyenne, Stillwater, OK 74075
gcouger@master.ceat.okstate.edu 405-624-2855 evenings 
    I do not speak for my employer


From ralphc@sierra.net Mon Aug 14 13:23:16 EDT 1995
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From: Ralph Cutter <ralphc@sierra.net>
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Subject: RE:TROUT VISION. HELP!
Date: 11 Aug 1995 17:13:05 GMT
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I know trout see into the infra red and ultra violet spectrums but how 
far? Any good, concise articles available on the subject? Thanks. Ralph 
Cutter ralphc@sierra.net




From jtrust@huey.csun.edu Mon Aug 14 13:23:17 EDT 1995
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                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
                   unmoderated group sci.geo.rivers

Summary:  Discusssion of geologic, climatologic, biologic, and engineering
          issues relating to rivers

Proponent:  Jeffrey Trust <jtrust@huey.csun.edu>
Mentor:     Ilana Stern <ilana@niwot.scd.ucar.edu>

This is a formal Request For Discussion on the creation of the newsgroup
sci.geo.rivers.  This is not a call for votes; do not vote now.

RATIONALE:

Studies of rivers involve many fields of study- work in this field is
done by fish biologists, civil engineers, geologists, hydrologists,
foresters, and many others.  It is desirable for those involved in
river studies to have an efficient and informal way to discuss issues
relating to rivers.  Other relevant Usenet newsgroups include
sci.geo.hydrology, sci.bio.ecology, and sci.engr.civil.  It is, in
part, the purpose of this proposed newsgroup to provide an
interdisciplinary discussion of river issues that is frequently absent
>from  each of these newsgroups.  Discussion of rivers takes place in
each of the three newsgroups listed above, but the discussion in each
group often focuses only on those aspects of river studies relevant to
that particular group.

The sci.geo.* hierarchy was chosen because it includes many Earth
science-related groups, not just those of geologic interest.  The
scope of this newsgroup is intended to be interdisciplinary, and the
sci.geo.* hierarchy is the best choice (short of creating a new sci.*
hierarchy).

CHARTER:  sci.geo.rivers

sci.geo.rivers is an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup for the discussion
of the geology, biology, and other aspects of the scientific study of
rivers.  This newsgroup will serve as a place for members of the
scientific community, and others interested, to discuss: 1) the
geologic processes related to rivers, 2) climatology, as it is related
to rivers, to include such topics as water supply and flooding, 3)
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wildlife, forest, and human ecology, 4) engineering issues, as related
to rivers, to include such topics as the effects of human modification
(e.g., dams, revetments, and channelization), 6) drainage basin
management, including such topics as stream, estuary, and wetlands
protection and restoration, and 7) other topics not mentioned above,
but that have scientific relevance to rivers.

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Followup posts should be directed to news.groups.


From hinz@gshp9000.gradsch.ohio-state.edu Mon Aug 14 13:23:18 EDT 1995
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From: hinz@gshp9000.gradsch.ohio-state.edu (Phillip Hinz)
Newsgroups: sci.bio.fisheries
Subject: Need info on Turbit dispute
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Were you or someone you know involved in the Turbit Dispute?

Hello Fishfolk and Sci.bio.fisheries members,

I'm in need of information regarding the March and April 1995
Turbit/Greenland Halibut dispute and negotiations between Canada and the
European Union.  I'm hoping someone here will be good enough to help me out
a bit.
My name is Phillip Hinz and I'm a U.S. doctoral candidate at Ohio State
University.  I'm not a biologist, my field is international relations with a
focus on negotiation and political psychology.  The Turbit Dispute is part
of my doctoral dissertation research.  My interest in this case revolves
around the negotiation process and negotiator's frame of mind before, during
and after the negotiations.
Last month I interviewed two of the European Union negotiators.  Now I need
to interview the Canadian side before the NAFO Conference in September.  So,
I have to set up and do the interviews soon!  While I did serve as a
Parliamentary Intern in Ottawa, that was in 1984.  So that is why I am
hoping the "magic" of the internet will aid me.  Were you or someone you
know involved in the Turbit Dispute?  Do you know who I should contact to
arrange a few interviews?  Even 15 minutes of their time will GREATLY help
my understanding of the negotiation.
This is for academic purposes and I can assure the negotiators full
confidentiality.

Please e-mail me at        Hinz.1@osu.edu
Or call during the day at (614) 292-6031

Thank you very much,
Phillip A. Hinz

Graduate School
250 University Hall
230 North Oval Mall
Columbus, OH 43210-1366
U.S.A.
~



From quantum@comtch.iea.com Mon Aug 14 13:23:20 EDT 1995
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From: quantum@comtch.iea.com (jim de smet)
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Subject: Impact of Boat Traffic
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I am trying to find information addressing the impact of boat traffic on
resuspension of shoreline sediment.  It is my feeling that the
resuspension of sediment adversely impacts benthic organisms, which in
turn impacts trout. This information is needed to help justify
non-motorized designations on a river in Montana.   Please help me if you
can.


From peterg@huge.net.hk Mon Aug 14 13:23:21 EDT 1995
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mgrykel@ix.netcom.com (MARTIN L. GARY ) wrote:

>I am a fisheries biologist in Maryland responsible for monitoring and
>quantifying the commercial harvest of striped bass from Maryland's
>portion of the Chesapeake Bay and Maryland's coastal waters.  Does
>anyone have any information regarding any software or programs which
>would simplify the task of checking daily reports from over 1200
>fishermen!  We utilize check stations, and although our system is
>fairly elaborate, it is a bit cumbersome and could usr some
>streamlining.  By the way, this is my first posting.  It is a shame
>that thier is not a higher volume of postings here.  I will try to
>spread the word.

>                          
I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'checking daily reports' but if
you're looking for a good data collection and analysis software, I
understand that ICLARM in the Philippines have developed a package
that can do this (or something similar). It's PC based and apparently
very user-friendly. We are looking at using this for doing stock
assessment here in Hong Kong. 

Sorry I don't have the ICLARM address or email contact to hand. I will
try to send it to you later.

Regards.


Pete George
<peterg@huge.net.hk>



From marifh@rosa.nbr.no Mon Aug 14 13:23:22 EDT 1995
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From: marifh@rosa.nbr.no (Mari Ann Flott Hogas (KVS))
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Tim Westbury (zootw@zoo.latrobe.edu.au) wrote:

: Any ideas or references reguarding the impact that the periodicity of 
: checking traps has on trapping success for small freshwater 
: fish (30-40mm)?. Also has anyone had any success trapping in open
:  water, I have had success in vegetated areas but none in open water
:  and wonder whether this can be atributed to the nature of the fish
:  or my trapping regime.

: Thanks.


I had good success trapping sticlebacks in a large lake. I used a trap build
of plexi-glass. Description found in IBP handbook no 3 (Ed. T. Bagenal),
Placement both in and outside vegetation areas gave a good catch, but bether in
 vegetation areas. The catch was also better if I could leave a fish in the 
trap.

Sizes of fish was between 7mm and 75mm. Total catch (14 days / 30 traps) was 
more than 1600.

Torbjorn Pedersen



From pgrove@vanbc.wimsey.com Mon Aug 14 13:23:24 EDT 1995
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>   Tim Westbury <zootw@zoo.latrobe.edu.au> writes:
>  
>  Any ideas or references reguarding the impact that the periodicity of 
>  checking traps has on trapping success for small freshwater 
>  fish (30-40mm)?. Also has anyone had any success trapping in open
>   water, I have had success in vegetated areas but none in open water
>   and wonder whether this can be atributed to the nature of the fish
>   or my trapping regime.
>  
>  Thanks.
>  
>  
>  
Tim
	i've just managed to net my first stickleback. I'm attempting to show they can be adapted 
to aquarium life. Water temps are the critical factor. However, going only by my limited observation, 
I'd say your open water traps aren't successful because the really small fish avoid open water like 
the plague. I've noticed the larger (comparatively) sticklebacks will venture a foot or so beyond the 
margin weeds, but the really small ones stay right under cover. Meanwhile, I'l like to hear more 
about your traps. Could you e-mail me with details? Thanks
	Paul Musgrove 
>>>>




From jcalvert@inetnebr.com Fri Sep  1 01:11:49 EDT 1995
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From: Jay Calvert <jcalvert@inetnebr.com>
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Subject: Re: steelhead trout
Date: 26 Aug 1995 17:36:58 GMT
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balsterb@crpl.cedar-rapids.lib.ia.us wrote:
>
>me again:)
>  so, let me see if i have this down
>steelheads are rainbows, which are are in the pacific salmon(sic?)
>family. which makes some sense, since they are from the west coast.

Yes

> Brooks and browns are closely related, and in the atlantic salmon
>family( which are really chars)

No.  Different genera.  Brook trout is actually a char (genus 
Salvelinus).  Atlantic salmon and brown trout are both genus Salmo, 
sometimes called "true" trouts.  You can get a natural or artificial 
hybrid between brook and brown, called a tiger trout.  It is sterile, I 
believe. Confusing eh?

>my next question is,
>  could a steelhead and a rainbow start a family(you know what i mean;>
> if they could,would the offspring be sterile?

Absolutely. There are well documented cases of steelhead and 
stream-resident rainbows spawning on the same redd (nest). The offspring 
should be fully fertile, since we're talking about members of not only 
the same genus, but the same species.

> (maybe this would solve the problem of genetic polution from
>stocked fish)

Maybe hatchery strains of rainbow breeding with native steelhead caused 
part of the problem.

>  if they could breed, i assume the young would be rainbows,right?

Yes, in the general sense. But would they migrate to sea and become 
steelhead?  I don't know, but I'd guess it varies on a case by case 
basis.
>
> now what about brooks and browns? are they too dis-simular to mate?

See tiger trout above.  Viable but sterile.
>
>  thanks in advance for putting up with my non scientific posts, i really 
>enjoy reading this group and have been wondering about this for awhile
>
>   brian b
>p.s. aren't you glad i didn't ask about lake trout too?
>
You just did.  Lake trout X Brook trout (aka "Speckled" trout in Canada) =3D "Splake" (Speckled/Lake).  Splake is partly fertile, si=
nce both parents are char of the genus Salvelinus.

Isn't Salmonid taxonomy fun?

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Jay Calvert/ jcalvert@inetnebr.com/ Lincoln, Nebraska
Biologist/Angler/Cybergeek
"Old fishermen never die, they just smell that way."
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From torell@delphi.com Fri Sep  1 01:11:50 EDT 1995
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From: torell@delphi.com
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Subject: pond? trout
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 95 23:36:34 -0500
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I saw some yummy looking fish in the supermarket.  The placard said
Pond Trout.  What were they?  What did they eat?


From ah194@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Fri Sep  1 01:11:51 EDT 1995
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From: ah194@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Don McAllister)
Subject: Re: Ornamental fish import and export data
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brett rowley (brett3@ix.netcom.com) writes:
> If anybody out there knows where I can find some recent data on the
> import and export of ornamental fish in the U.S., please e-mail to me.
> I am gathering this information to include in a report to potential
> investors in an ornamental fish production project. I am especially
> interested in coldwater species such as koi and goldfish, but also
> curious about tropicals. TIA,
> Brett Rowley

Hi Brett,
The Traffic Branch of World Wildlife Fund, main office at: 1250 24th St.,NW, 
Washington, DC 20037-1175, Tel 202-293-4800, fax 202-293-9211,
should be able to direct you to the right number.  They keep data
on import and export of wildlife including freshwater and marine
fishes. but may not be able to break it down to the species level.

Try usenet groups:
sci.aquaria
rec.aquaria

Ocean Voice International, a marine environmental organization I
work with, has been working with sustainable harvest issues on
marine ornamentals in the Philippines for several years.

Don
--
Don E. McAllister #############  & Ocean Voice International, Box 37026
Canadian Museum of Nature ####  3332 McCarthy Road, Ottawa, ON K1V 0W0
P.O.B.3443,ûStn D,Ottawa,ON K1P 6P4 ##  Tel. (613) 264-8986, Fax: (613) 264-920
E-mail: ah194@freenet.carleton.ca # WWW: http://www.conveyor.com/oceanvoice.htm


From ckiii@aol.com Fri Sep  1 01:11:52 EDT 1995
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From: ckiii@aol.com (CKIII)
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Subject: Tuna and Marlin
Date: 28 Aug 1995 08:47:44 -0400
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I was recently told that Tuna and Marlin species will die within a few
days once the fish has been caught by hook and line even though it is
released quickly and appears in "good shape".  The reason given was a
build up of an enzyme during the landing fight that will soon prove fatal
to the fish.  Any comments on the scientific accuracy of this comment, or
was this a farsical answer to the catch-and-release practices of many of
the blue water sport fishers?

Charles Kennemore
ckiii@aol.com


From wdavies@bnr.ca Fri Sep  1 01:11:53 EDT 1995
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From: wdavies@bnr.ca (Bill Davies)
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Subject: Commercial Shrimp Rearing
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Can anyone working at a shrimp rearing facility provide
some diet recommendations used in the various stages of
life?  In particular I am interested in what techniques
/diet are be used between each metamorphosis or larval
stage.  I am also interested in how diet varies between
each species, if at all.



From rhayman@sos.net Fri Sep  1 01:11:54 EDT 1995
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It may not "seem" up to date by the publ. date, but the classic:
Ricker, W.E. 1975. Computation and interpretation o fBiological Statistics of Fish Populations.
is my recommendation!

Good Luck & enjoyable reading.



From poets@ccmail.orst.edu Fri Sep  1 01:11:55 EDT 1995
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From: Steven Poet <poets@ccmail.orst.edu>
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Subject: Re: Tuna and Marlin
Date: 28 Aug 1995 16:38:14 GMT
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My understanding is that if you fight anything to complete exhaustion
and then throw it back, its chances of survival are pretty slim.  That's
why they say do not fight trout for very long if you are going to 
release them.  FWIW, The enzyme is probably CK (creatine kinase)
and in mammals is an indicator of muscle tissue break down.
The muscle break down products wreak havoc with the kidneys and
can lead to death (this is basically what happens with
"downer cow syndrome").

ckiii@aol.com (CKIII) wrote:
>
> I was recently told that Tuna and Marlin species will die within a few
> days once the fish has been caught by hook and line even though it is
> released quickly and appears in "good shape".  The reason given was a
> build up of an enzyme during the landing fight that will soon prove fatal
> to the fish.  Any comments on the scientific accuracy of this comment, or
> was this a farsical answer to the catch-and-release practices of many of
> the blue water sport fishers?
> 
> Charles Kennemore
> ckiii@aol.com



From longears@haven.uniserve.com Fri Sep  1 01:11:56 EDT 1995
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From: longears@haven.uniserve.com (Pat Mulholland)
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I'm looking for the names of any hatcheries that are located near a railroad.
Specifically within about 100m. 

Thanks 
Pat Mulholland
AQUATIC SYSTEMS RESEARCH
Aquaculture,Fisheries,& Environment Specialists
phone:(604) 987-0241
email: longears@uniserv.com


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From: longears@haven.uniserve.com (Pat Mulholland)
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I'm looking for any good references on the culture of Sockeye Salmon.
In particular, any articles or references to New Zealand Sockeye which are
I understand IHNV free.

Pat Mulholland
AQUATIC SYSTEMS RESEARCH
Aquaculture,Fisheries,& Environment Specialists
phone:(604) 987-0241
email: longears@uniserv.com


From stevek@iphc.washington.edu Fri Sep  1 01:11:58 EDT 1995
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From: stevek@iphc.washington.edu (Steve Kaimmer)
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Subject: Re: Tuna and Marlin
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We have done work with Pacific Halibut caught in trawl nets in the 
North Pacific.  Background, from camera work we know that Halibut may 
swim ahead of the trawl for 30 minutes or more before 'falling back' into 
the net - probably from 'exhaustion'.  Once released onto the trawl 
deck, these fish appear 'dead', little muscle tone, no opercular 
pressure.  Some (not all) of these fish, when then put into a holding 
tank on deck, will appear quite robust in anywhere from many hours to a 
day.  

In article <41sdtg$s9d@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ckiii@aol.com says...
>
>I was recently told that Tuna and Marlin species will die within a few
>days once the fish has been caught by hook and line even though it is
>released quickly and appears in "good shape".  The reason given was a
>build up of an enzyme during the landing fight that will soon prove 
fatal
>to the fish.  Any comments on the scientific accuracy of this comment, 
or
>was this a farsical answer to the catch-and-release practices of many of
>the blue water sport fishers?
>
>Charles Kennemore
>ckiii@aol.com



From flip214@aol.com Fri Sep  1 01:11:59 EDT 1995
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From: flip214@aol.com (Flip214)
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My wife is a fishery biologist specializing in the tagging and recapturing
of billfish.  She is currently working on a report about billfish that
were tagged and released in very poor condition or where the fish was
thought to be dead.  You must understand that the recapture rate for any
billfish is very low to begin with (less than 2%) but I was suprised to
find that there were many cases of fish that were recaptured after they
were thought to be dead.  Some of which had been hooked in the eye or had
even had their stomach outside their body.  As a fisherman I have seen
many billfish come to the boat apearing to be dead only to be revived
after being swum next to the boat for a period of time.  I think that the
billfish tournament rules say it best in that a fish has a better chance
of survival in the water than on the deck of a boat.
Good Luck.
Greg


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From: Steven Poet <poets@ccmail.orst.edu>
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Point well taken about the survivability of fish in water vs. land.
It sounds like your wife is doing what needs to be done... figuring
out what is going on with the fish.  Any knowledge which will help
the survival of these fabulous animals is priceless.  Using what "we"
know about other living critters with respect to muscle trauma can be
helpful as well.  My large animal medicine professor used to say 
"mammals are mammals, use what you know".  I know fish are not mammals,
but cells are cells and general physiology principles may apply.


flip214@aol.com (Flip214) wrote:
>
> My wife is a fishery biologist specializing in the tagging and recapturing
> of billfish.  She is currently working on a report about billfish that
> were tagged and released in very poor condition or where the fish was
> thought to be dead.  You must understand that the recapture rate for any
> billfish is very low to begin with (less than 2%) but I was suprised to
> find that there were many cases of fish that were recaptured after they
> were thought to be dead.  Some of which had been hooked in the eye or had
> even had their stomach outside their body.  As a fisherman I have seen
> many billfish come to the boat apearing to be dead only to be revived
> after being swum next to the boat for a period of time.  I think that the
> billfish tournament rules say it best in that a fish has a better chance
> of survival in the water than on the deck of a boat.
> Good Luck.
> Greg



From mikep@aurora.tib.nmfs.gov Fri Sep  1 01:12:01 EDT 1995
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From: mikep@aurora.tib.nmfs.gov  (Mike Prager)
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>ckiii@aol.com (CKIII) wrote:

> I was recently told that Tuna and Marlin species will die within a few
> days once the fish has been caught by hook and line even though it is
> released quickly and appears in "good shape".  The reason given ...

To put a fishery management perspective on this: I have looked at a
few population dynamic models of fish stocks, and when they
include nonzero hook-and-release mortality, they present very different 
relative pictures of management strategies than when they don't. 
In general, the existence of hook-and-release mortalities makes size 
limits and bag limits less appealing, and closed seasons and areas 
more appealing (as far as limiting total mortality), as one might expect. 
Something for fishermen (both recreational and commercial) to think about....

Mike Prager                   mikep@aurora.tib.nmfs.gov
.................Speaking for myself, not for Uncle Sam.


From williss@qlink.queensu.ca Fri Sep  1 01:12:02 EDT 1995
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From: williss@qlink.queensu.ca (Willis Stephen)
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Subject: Re: Splake question :
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 Splake are Brook / Lake trout highbreads. They look more like a Brook 
trout, grow faster than a Brook trout, Don't get nearly as big as a lake 
trout, can survive in harsher conditions and muddier water than a brook 
trout . Live deeper (in colder water) than a brook trout. And are thus 
stocked in waters where brookies don't do well. I believe that they can 
have offspring, which is unusual for a high-bread anything. Can anybody 
confirm this. Any info on Splake would be greatly appreciated. How big do 
they get , how old do they live etc, . I believe they spawn in the fall, 
perhaps they can interbread with brookies rather than with other splake ???
One interesting thing is that they school more than eithor lake trout or 
brook trout. 

 Thanks.... Stephen



From eweber@nmsu.edu Fri Sep  1 01:12:04 EDT 1995
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From: eweber@nmsu.edu (Edward D. Weber)
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Does anyone know where I could purchase a copy of Ricker 1975?  I called 
AFS publications but all they could suggest was the library.  
Thanks,
Ed Weber
eweber@nmsu.edu

Bob McClure (rhayman@sos.net) wrote:
: It may not "seem" up to date by the publ. date, but the classic:
: Ricker, W.E. 1975. Computation and interpretation o fBiological Statistics of Fish Populations.
: is my recommendation!

: Good Luck & enjoyable reading.




From mjwalters@aol.com Fri Sep  1 01:12:05 EDT 1995
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From: mjwalters@aol.com (MJWALTERS)
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Subject: Blue Pike Extinction
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Can anyone out there suggest anyone in the Great Lakes region who might
have fished commercially for Blue Pike before their extinction in the
ealry 1970s.  I am interested in composing an oral history of this fish. 
For that matter, can anyone offer primary sources for any information
concerning this species.  Thanks,  Mark Walters


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From: rondad@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Ronda Dillon)
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test


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From: rondad@morgan.ucs.mun.ca (Ronda Dillon)
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Question? Can specific carotenoids of rainbow trout and other salmoinds 
be synthesized metabolically in the fish from other types of 
carotenoids?  That is, can canthaxanthin be produced in fish flesh by the 
conversion of dietary fed precursors other than canthaxanthin?


From wmorris@utkvx.utk.edu Fri Sep  1 01:12:09 EDT 1995
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From: wmorris@utkvx.utk.edu (Wendy Morris)
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8/30/95:

There will be a story airing on PrimeTime Live (ABC) on Wednesday, August
30, that will focus on the controversy surrounding the pollution of the
Pigeon River, which flows from North Carolina into Tennessee. The
pollution is produced by Champion International Paper Company's Canton,
North Carolina, plant. 

The University of Tennessee Press has just published a new book in its
environmentally focused Outdoor Tennessee series entitled "Troubled Waters:
Champion International and the Pigeon River Controversy" by Richard A.
Bartlett. This book is the first to chronicle the history of this
controversy and the struggles that residents living along the Pigeon River
have had to face in order to fight for its cleanup.

For more information, please see the University of Tennessee Press home
page, located at http://www.lib.utk.edu:70/1/UTKgophers/UT-PRESS (the
information should be complete by next week). If you would like more
information immediately, contact Wendy Morris at the following address:

   The University of Tennessee Press
   293 Communications Bldg.
   Knoxville, TN  37996-0325
   (615) 974-3321
   (615) 974-3724 (fax)
   wmorris@utkvx.tuk.edu (e-mail)

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Publication Date: September 1995

NEW BOOK ILLUMINATES THE CONTROVERSY OVER  
THE PIGEON RIVER AND THE COMPANY THAT POLLUTED IT
   
"I went to see that river two-and-a-half months ago, and it was black as
tar,...and yet we're told it's OK. Who says? Champion? The EPA? I
don't need a scientist to tell me a black river doesn't make common
sense."
aPark Overall, actor and environmental activist,as quoted in the Knoxville
News-Sentinel, January 6, 1995
    
   Would you allow your child to swim in a foamy, foul-smelling river
possibly tainted with toxic chemicals? Would you fish from such a stream
or navigate its waters in a canoe? These are the questions that the people
who live near the Pigeon River want Champion International to ask itself.
For over eight decades the residents along this Appalachian river, which
flows from North Carolina into Tennessee, have had to deal with the
environmental problems caused by Champion's giant pulp and paper mill at
Canton, North Carolina.
   To shed light on this ongoing controversy, the University of Tennessee
Press has published Troubled Waters: Champion International and the Pigeon
River Controversy by Richard A. Bartlettathe newest addition to its
environmentally focused Outdoor Tennessee series. This book traces efforts
of Tennesseans and environmentalists to force the cleanup of the Pigeon
River and concentrates on the years since 1985, when two organizationsathe
Dead Pigeon River Council and the Pigeon River Action Groupamounted a
sustained drive to restore the river to its naturally beautiful state.
   Bartlett begins the story with a history of the region and of the
arrival of the pulp mills in the early part of this century. Even in 1908,
when Champion's pulp and paper mill first became operational, there was
controversy between the landowners along the Pigeon River and the business
and economic interests in these areas. Bartlett writes, "Environmentalism
as such was not yet known, but the landowners knew of the stench and the
dirtying of streams that mills produced, and so the story goes, they
wanted none of it."
   In the chapters that follow, Bartlett examines how the pollution became
an issue of concern and how, in later decades, the people of this area
began to lobby the federal Environmental Protection Agency and state
legislators to upgrade air- and water-pollution standards. One of the most
influential of this new wave of protestors was Charles Dickens Mullinix,
who would not accept the plodding, bureaucratic pace of the EPA and thus
created the Pigeon River Action Group, an organization that he hoped would
force Champion to launch a massive cleanup of its Canton plant.
   With pressure from continuing litigation brought about by individuals
and by such groups as the Dead Pigeon River Council, Champion began a
multimillion-dollar upgrading campaign in 1985. The Pigeon River is
somewhat cleaner, yet, in the end, there is little evidence that Champion
carried out its modernization for anything but economic reasons.   
   Bartlett treats the positions of Champion's defenders with respect, but
he faces the reality of the pollution unflinchingly and is devoted to
relating the complete, complex story of the fight to force the river's
cleanup. In the words of series editor Jim Casada, "The author focuses our
attention on the dilemma of the Pigeon River in gripping fashion. The
chronicle is one that goes to the heart of what can happen when people
allow shortsighted avarice to outweigh soul-sustaining devotion to
protection and preservation of the natural world. No one who cherishes the
purity of the earth we call home should ignore this work and its implicit
message. It reminds us, in quiet but penetrating fashion, that the time
for a season of environmental reason is at hand."
   Richard A. Bartlett is professor of history, emeritus, at Florida State
University. He is the author or editor of several books, including The New
Country: A Social History of the American Frontier, 1776#1890, Rolling
Rivers: An Encyclopedia of America's Rivers, Yellowstone: A Wilderness
Besieged, and Great Surveys of the American West.
   This book is available in cloth for $35.00 and in paper for $17.95. 
Orders should be placed with our distributor: The University of Tennessee
Press, Chicago Distribution Center, 11030 S.Langley, Chicago, IL  60628,
1-800-621-2736.


From CXQP37E@prodigy.com Fri Sep  1 01:12:10 EDT 1995
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From twain Fri Sep  1 01:12:11 EDT 1995
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From: Tom Wainwright <twain>
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eweber@nmsu.edu (Edward D. Weber) wrote:
>Does anyone know where I could purchase a copy of Ricker 1975?  I called 
>AFS publications but all they could suggest was the library.  
>Thanks,
>Ed Weber
I believe it is still available from the Canadian Government,
	Canadian Government Publishing Centre
	Supply and Services Canada
	Ottawa, Canada, K1A 0S9
The full citation is:
	Ricker, W.E. 1975.  Computation and interpretation of biological
	statistics of fish populations.  Bull. Fish. Res. Board Can.
	191: 382 p.  ISBN 0-662-01440-5.
Your local bookstore should be able to order it.
-- 
Tom Wainwright, twain@salmon.nwfsc.noaa.gov
NOAA/NMFS Northwest Fisheries Science Center
Seattle, Washington, USA
**Any views expressed are my own, and usually
  do not reflect those of Uncle Sam**



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To the best of my knowledge, there is no credible evidence of any 
significant natural reproduction or hybridisation of splake in the wild.  
This would appear to be a behavioural thing, since the gametes produce 
viable offspring in the hatchery.  Some researchers have reported 
catching a few newly-emerged sac fry on a couple of occasions, but I'm 
not sure how reliable these reports are and, according to my 
understanding, the numbers involved are *exceedingly* small.  It's true 
that splake do well in marginal brook trout waters.  In inland lakes 
planted with F1 splake, the returns to the creel are much higher than 
those from any other planted salmonid that I've had experience with.  I 
understand that the same is not true of the Great Lakes, however.

One of the problems in discussing splake, though, is that Ontario has
stocked at least three different fish over the years, all of which have
been called splake.  The "true" splake would probably be the F1 hybrid. 
We still stock quite a few of these, mainly in smaller inland lakes which
supported brook trout but have become heavily perch-infested.  Some
higher-generational splake have been planted (up to F7, I think), but
these were mostly experimental plantings.  In the Great Lakes, quite a
number of "lake trout backcross splake" have been planted.  These are the
progeny of male F1 splake with female lake trout. 

I have personally seen F1 splake over 5 kg, but the average caught by 
anglers would probably be around 500 gm.  The fish attempt to spawn in 
the fall.  The timing of the spawning act varies across the brook 
trout-lake trout range (in my area from mid-October to early December).  
Their spawning behaviour is roughly intermediate, as well.  They seem to 
construct very diffuse and messy redds, and sometimes don't cover the 
eggs meticulously as a brook trout might do.  In some instances, they 
seem to use the same upwelling areas as brook trout, but in others, 
upwelling doesn't appear to be a factor.

I know that splake can get to be 5 to 7 years old, but I wouldn't want to 
guess at their life expectancy or life span.  I'm not a splake expert, 
but I have handled thousands over the years.  I can refer anyone 
interested to some people who know much more about them than I do.  EMail 
me a request and I'll see what I can do.

--
Dave Fluri
North Bay, Ontario, Canada


Willis Stephen (williss@qlink.queensu.ca) wrote:
:  Splake are Brook / Lake trout highbreads. They look more like a Brook 
: trout, grow faster than a Brook trout, Don't get nearly as big as a lake 
: trout, can survive in harsher conditions and muddier water than a brook 
: trout . Live deeper (in colder water) than a brook trout. And are thus 
: stocked in waters where brookies don't do well. I believe that they can 
: have offspring, which is unusual for a high-bread anything. Can anybody 
: confirm this. Any info on Splake would be greatly appreciated. How big do 
: they get , how old do they live etc, . I believe they spawn in the fall, 
: perhaps they can interbread with brookies rather than with other splake ???
: One interesting thing is that they school more than eithor lake trout or 
: brook trout. 

:  Thanks.... Stephen


From surban@saims.skidmore.edu Fri Sep  1 01:12:15 EDT 1995
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From: surban@saims.skidmore.edu (sharon urban)
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My son is in his third year of college majoring in aquaculture.  He will receive a Bachelor of Technology degree.  He first earned his associates in fisheries and wildlife technology, and these last two years will be more specialized in aquaculture.  It's been a wonderful program, with lots of hands on lab work, but rounded out with liberal arts.  What I would like to know for my own personal interest, is whether this field is prosperous.  I have been reading this group for a couple of weeks (although it's
 not posted to very often) and am noting several different areas of expertise.  My son is also leaning towards a masters in biology.  His father and I are thrilled at the prospect -- there are many areas of fish and environmental biologies -- could anyone suggest the best area to pursue.  This is just for my info -- thanks much.


From wizard@communique.net Fri Sep  1 01:12:16 EDT 1995
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From: wizard@communique.net (Wesley Dick)
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I am interested in getting information regarding the technique used
to add hi-viz coloration to the fins of some tropical fish as is being
done by some hatcheries in the Orient.   Is it by injection or
brushing?   Help.




From rwilson652@aol.com Fri Sep  1 01:12:17 EDT 1995
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From: rwilson652@aol.com (RWilson652)
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Subject: Re: Hybrid Striped bass in Connecticut.. why
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Thanks for the info on hybrid stripers, BUT,

I believe that it is difficult and rare for these hybrids to reproduce.
Freshwater stripers rarely, if ever, reproduce in the waters they have
been stocked in and the populations rely heavily on stocking.

Most lakes in CT have a forage base of alewives, a member of the shad
family, and white perch, which reproduce so prolifically that they are
typically a nuisance fish in most waters.

Since these two species are pelagic fish, wouldn't they provide ideal
forage for the hybrids? I really think hybrids would offer a differsity
not found in any other species. They have been stocked successfully in
virtually every other state: including neighboring NY, so I think it is a
financial issue more than anything else.

Can I get some more info on any of this?

Thanks, Rob


From parkes@cirl.uoregon.edu Fri Sep  1 01:12:20 EDT 1995
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From: parkes@cs.uoregon.edu (Andrew John Parkes)
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Subject: sperm whales and longline fishing
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[Posted on behalf of a friend]

I am interested in any association of sperm whales with longline fisheries
world-wide. In particular, I am interested if they are consuming the catch or 
if they are going after the bycatch.  Any behavioral observations would be 
greatly appreciated. 

I am new to usenet and would also appreciate hearing about any
other fisheries newsgroups or any related WWW sites, etc.


Liz                                     parkes@cirl.uoregon.edu




From group7@neptune.infolink.co.za Fri Sep  1 01:12:21 EDT 1995
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From: group7@neptune.infolink.co.za (Anton Lasich)
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Hi

I have a friend who would like to import Tropical FIsh to South Africa. Any 
source will be considered...but especially South American.

If you have any sources/information, please mail me at

group7@neptune.infolink.co.za

(Steve Norman)

Thanks


From markb@intr.net Fri Sep  1 01:12:23 EDT 1995
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From: markb@intr.net (Mark Bjorge)
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From mklein@Hawaii.Edu Fri Sep  1 01:12:25 EDT 1995
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From: mklein@Hawaii.Edu (Michelle Klein)
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Does anyone have information on Clarias diseases?


From RICHARD_WHITMAN@NPS.GOV Fri Sep  8 17:52:23 EDT 1995
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From: RICHARD WHITMAN <RICHARD_WHITMAN@NPS.GOV>
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To: WALLEYE,SPAWNERS

Im doing a project on sediment texture and effects on walleye spawning 
success. Does anyone know at what depth walleye spawn in northern small 
lakes in the Great Lakes region.



From RICHARD_WHITMAN@NPS.GOV Fri Sep  8 17:52:24 EDT 1995
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From: RICHARD WHITMAN <RICHARD_WHITMAN@NPS.GOV>
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Im doing a project on sediment texture and effects on walleye spawning 
success. Does anyone know at what depth walleye spawn in northern small 
lakes in the Great Lakes region.



From flurid@gov.on.ca Fri Sep  8 17:52:26 EDT 1995
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From: flurid@gov.on.ca (Dave Fluri)
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RICHARD WHITMAN (RICHARD_WHITMAN@NPS.GOV) wrote:
: Im doing a project on sediment texture and effects on walleye spawning 
: success. Does anyone know at what depth walleye spawn in northern small 
: lakes in the Great Lakes region.


In my area, walleye normally spawn at depths of 0 to 2 m.  I understand 
that this might be as deep as 3 m in large rivers with good current, but 
I've no personal experience with that.

--
				|
Dave Fluri			|	"No me agaro ya de nada, para
North Bay, Ontario, Canada	|	 asi no tener nada que defender."
				|		-Carlos Castaneda
				|


From aitutaki@perth.DIALix.oz.au Fri Sep  8 17:52:27 EDT 1995
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From: Ben Grummels <aitutaki@perth.DIALix.oz.au>
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Subject: BLUE FIN TUNA
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I had a call from Darwin in the Northern Territory today, from an ex-student 
(20 years ago) who is doing marine studies.  
He is seeking fax info from me about blue fin tuna.  Since I live and work as
Tech and Further Education co-ordinator in a remote Aboriginal community 
200 km from the nearest library, I'm hoping that I could get help from some 
kind person on the net who could email me info - anything - eg a page from a 
high school text or whatever, about blue fin tuna.

PLEASE help

Ben  (alone without info at La Grange Bay on the northern end of the 80 
mile beach, North West Australia)

PS I'll check for posting tomorrow night.  Might meet you on the net.


From rusmin@rad.net.id Fri Sep  8 17:52:29 EDT 1995
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From: rusmin@rad.net.id (Rusmin Noer)
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Can anybody told me where I can find Shrimp NNTP/WWW, please?
Does  Shrimp Newsgroup  exist?
If not, can anybody please make it?
Thanks.

rusmin@rad.net.id





From mjenson@silver.ucs.indiana.edu Fri Sep  8 17:52:30 EDT 1995
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From: mjenson@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Mike Jenson)
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Hello all,

I am giving a speech to a group of incoming biology graduate students soon and 
was hoping to use a few jokes involving biology/biologists.  Does anyone have 
any good ones?

Thanks,
Mike


From Mike@dar-mail.ccmail.compuserve.com Fri Sep  8 17:52:32 EDT 1995
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From: Mike@dar-mail.ccmail.compuserve.com (Mike Yamamoto)
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   Although we're surrounded by water, Hawaii's fisheries budget is among
the smallest of all 50 states (and the District of Columbia for that
matter). I need to prepare some testimony to that effect, and would like
to obtain fisheries budgets from as many states as possible to bolster my
case. Any information (phone numbers, contacts persons, etc.) would be
greatly appreciated.


From markhaas@cpcug.org Fri Sep  8 17:52:33 EDT 1995
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From: markhaas@cpcug.org (Mark R. Haas)
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Hello potential coinvestigators:

The National Biological Service has released a Request for Proposals
(14-45-ORFP-95-0008)  to conduct a literature synthesis and develop 
a spatial and temporal predictive model of the impacts of offshore 
oil and gas structures (placement, removal and abandonment) on biological 
productivity in the Gulf of Mexico.  

The project would take 30 months and require understanding the cumulative 
effects of what amounts to one of the few hard bottom environments in the Gulf 
as well as the changing operations and technology of the offshore petroleum 
industry.  The resulting model will have to be integrated into Minreals 
Management Service GIS and data systems.

I'd like to assemble the appropriate expertise to bid on this project.  At a 
minimum, the team requires familiarity with some or all of the following:

  invertebrate and fish ecology
  MMS Environmental Studies Program
  fisheries stock data/analysis
  habitat evaluation techniques
  petroleum industry activities to place, operate, and remove/abandon 
	structures	
  development of GIS or other georeferenced databases
  ecology/habitat predictive models
  working relatinships with marine/oceanograpphic research institutions
	(e.g., coastal state university or research consortia)
  ecological literature search/syntheses
  scientific research project management

The team would optimally have a significant presence in Louisiana or 
thereabouts, since most data gathering and literature work during phase 1 
(the first 12 months) will occur there.  The location of the Phase 2 (model 
development - the next 18 months) team is less strict.

Research and Organization Management, Inc., is a small technical and 
management consulting firm that improves management decisionmaking through 
integration of ecological, engineering, economic and management disciplines.

My interest in this project is the opportunity to integrate my expertise in 
ecology, engineering and economics with the support of experts in various  
critical disciplines suggested above.

My degrees are in ecology and energy and environmental policy, 
supplemented with experience ranging from conducting aquatic ecology field 
research to developing state programs to evaluate coastal resources to 
developing large scale systems models of offshore oil and gas development.  

If you are interested in forming a team to bid on this research, please 
contact me at markhaas@cpcug.org or call (301) 320-5889.  The clock is 
running, since the proposal preparation requirements are substantial and the 
proposal due date is October 2, 1995, with an anticipated award date of 
November 30.

Mark R. Haas, President
Research and Organization Management, Inc.
5907 Welborn Drive
Bethesda, MD 20816-3423
phone/fax (301) 320-5889


From jblane@gsro.carleton.ca Fri Sep  8 17:52:34 EDT 1995
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From: jblane@gsro.carleton.ca (Jean Blane)
Subject: Freshwater jellyfish?
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On the weekend I was canoeing on a series of inland lakes
(freshwater).  In one shallow section (about 5-10 feet deep) I noticed
many small jellyfish.  The jellyfish ranged from the size of my thumb
nail to about the size of a quarter, were dome-shaped, transparent
with light brown colouring.  There were four, paddle shaped structures
that jointed in the center of the jellyfish, appearing rather like a cross.
Tentacles may have been present, but were not readily visible.  The
jellyfish were free-swimming.

Do you know what species this is?  I have never seen nor heard of
freshwater jellyfish before.  How common are they?



From flurid@gov.on.ca Fri Sep  8 17:52:35 EDT 1995
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From: flurid@gov.on.ca (Dave Fluri)
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Date: 6 Sep 1995 13:21:01 GMT
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Mike Yamamoto (Mike@dar-mail.ccmail.compuserve.com) wrote:

: ... I ... would like
: to obtain fisheries budgets from as many states as possible ...


Mike, I recall reading an article in the AFS publication _Fisheries_ a 
couple or three years ago detailing exactly the information you seek.  I 
don't maintain an archive of them, so I can't be more precise than that, 
but you may be able to contact the periodical directly.

Dave Fluri
North Bay, Ontario, Canada


From kim.jauncey@stir.ac.uk Fri Sep  8 17:52:36 EDT 1995
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From: "Dr. Kim Jauncey" <kim.jauncey@stir.ac.uk>
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Basically, the answer is no. Teleosts don't do much interconversion of 
ingested carotenoids, they are deposited as fed. Crustacea could do it 
though. There are quite a lot of references on this if you need some.



From billw34597@aol.com Fri Sep  8 17:52:37 EDT 1995
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A good place to start is the National Wildlife Federation in Washington
D.C.  they have an 800 number. Also get in touch with the National Marine
Fisheries in D.C.. Use the crawler on W.W.W.. Contact your sea grant
office.


From c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz Fri Sep  8 17:52:39 EDT 1995
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From: c.arfman@tarnaki.ac.nz
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Subject: Re: Tuna and Marlin
Date: Thu, 07 Sep 95 12:07:01 NZS
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<snip>
>>  I think that the
>> billfish tournament rules say it best in that a fish has a better 
>>chance
>> of survival in the water than on the deck of a boat.
>> Good Luck.
>> Greg
>
It's a question of values: To a catch-and-release advocate, the chance 
that the marlin will probably survive and can be possibly be caught again 
is a good thing. From the point of view of the non-fishing public, the 
change that the marlin might die as a result of stress or hooking 
injuries is a bad thing. 

With millions of people starving to death world-wide, does wasting large 
amounts of increasingly scarce seafood justify the knowledge gained? Or 
is tag-and-release being used by vested interests (the recreational 
fishing industry) in much the same way that the Japanese continue to kill 
whales for "science"?

One thing for sure - the best way to ensure a fish's survival is simply 
to leave it alone. I get real uncomfortable when I here people use the 
"any chance of survival is better than none" justification. That kind of 
platitude by catch-and-release advocates encourages a lot of destruction, 
and wastage. But then again when people amuse themselves by "fighting" a 
fish that can't fight back, and whose only defence is to try to flee, 
those kinds of platitudes are to be expected.

Season closures and area closures would appear a more effective 
conservation measure.

- Craig Arfman, New Plymouth, New Zealand



From yuhasj@river.it.gvsu.edu Fri Sep  8 17:52:40 EDT 1995
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From: yuhasj@river.it.gvsu.edu (Jason Yuhas)
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Subject: Career Helpers???? (Any guidance please?)
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 1995 23:37:07 GMT
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Hiya!
I am a sophomore at Grand Valley State University in MI (near the town
of Grand Rapids (Letterman's New Home City)) and I was wondering if
anyone out here could help me with a little question.  I am majoring
in Aquatic (Fisheries) Biology.  I am currently just holding a job to
pay for college and pay for my car and anything else.  I was wondering
if anyone out there had any suggestions of further steps I could take
that would look good on a resume'.  I want to work in my feild next
summer and would like to do some odd things around the area while I am
still in school (ie volunteering, etc).  If any of you have any
guidance....no matter how big or small, please reply to my post or
email me personally.  Thanx for your time and potential comments


				Respectfully,
						Jason Yuhas




						
*Whirling toward a town near you...*
yuhasj@river.it.gvsu.edu
http://www.csis.gsvu.edu/~yuhasj
Jason Yuhas 'Whirly'



From gagned@gov.on.ca Fri Sep  8 17:52:43 EDT 1995
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From: gagned@gov.on.ca (Denis Gagne)
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jblane@gsro.carleton.ca (Jean Blane) writes:


>On the weekend I was canoeing on a series of inland lakes
>(freshwater).  In one shallow section (about 5-10 feet deep) I noticed
>many small jellyfish.  The jellyfish ranged from the size of my thumb
>nail to about the size of a quarter, were dome-shaped, transparent
>with light brown colouring.  There were four, paddle shaped structures
>that jointed in the center of the jellyfish, appearing rather like a cross.
>Tentacles may have been present, but were not readily visible.  The
>jellyfish were free-swimming.

>Do you know what species this is?  I have never seen nor heard of
>freshwater jellyfish before.  How common are they?

These are somewhat commonly found throughout NA. If you have or can find 
the text Fresh-Water Invertebrates of the United States, 3rd edition the 
section starting on pg 110 will give you the text info. Page 114 deals 
with the freshwater jellyfish known as hydras (Craspedacasta sowerbyi).
We found some in Belmont Lake in Peterborough county several years ago. 
(NE of Toronto)

You are not alone.

denis
gagned@gov.on.ca


From flip214@aol.com Fri Sep  8 17:52:44 EDT 1995
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From: flip214@aol.com (Flip214)
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What happened? did you have some kind of religious experience out on the
water one day?  Is this the same person that was sharing your striped
marlin tactics and favorite lures with me?
There is no argument against your way of ensuring the fishes survival, Of
course not fishing would solve the problem of any depleted pelagic fish
stock.  (Except there would be no way to document this if everyone stopped
fishing, so how would we really know?)
If this is truly your position than I feel it is admirable, I do not agree
with it at all, but you are certainly entitled to try to convince others
to see things your way.

:One thing for sure - the best way to ensure a fish's survival is simply 
:to leave it alone. I get real uncomfortable when I here people use the 
:"any chance of survival is better than none" justification. That kind of 
:platitude by catch-and-release advocates encourages a lot of destruction,

:and wastage. But then again when people amuse themselves by "fighting" a 
:fish that can't fight back, and whose only defence is to try to flee, 
:those kinds of platitudes are to be expected.

:I  had been thinking about that too. Nice to know that it works. The 
:lure hookup % on striped marlin can get really frustrating, and I've
tried 
:every trick in the book. Was he using the 
:softhead to keep the mackeral from coming apart at that speed and 
:then fishing it like bait after the strike (freespool, stop the boat, 
:wait for the pause, etc.)??  Did he mention if he was  using both halves 
:of the moldcraft over the bait or just the outside one??

This is the same author?  Don't you think it is a little hypocritical to
preach leaving the fish alone and then worry about your hookup %?

The long and short is that fishing does involve killing, (so does eating a
hamburger)
the ocean is a resource that in my opinion can and should be responsibly
harvested.  As far as sportfishing is concerned it is simply that sport. 
All of the data I can find shows that billfish stocks are not over
exploited and the survival rate for properly released fish is higher than
you might expect.  The major pressure to billfish population comes from
comercial longliners who simply throw dead marlin and sailfish (and a huge
number of sharks) back in the ocean.  These fish have a near zero survival
rate when hooked for 24 hours.  I have seen the data about recreational vs
comercial fisherman and the numbers gathered by each, but in respect to
Tuna and Marlin there was no data.  Marlin are not always recorded as a
comercial catch and are almost never harvested by recreational anglers. 
If you are truly concerned about the frightened fish that is only trying
to get away, The first step in preventing this might be for YOU to stop
catching them and then worry about others.
Greg Cousins
Ft. Lauderdale FL




From p-perea@uiuc.edu Fri Sep  8 17:52:46 EDT 1995
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From: p-perea@uiuc.edu (Pacifico J. Perea)
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Subject: Re: Career Helpers???? (Any guidance please?)
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In article <42lbas$d0d@news.it.gvsu.edu>, yuhasj@river.it.gvsu.edu (Jason
Yuhas) wrote:

> Hiya!
> I am a sophomore at Grand Valley State University in MI (near the town
> of Grand Rapids (Letterman's New Home City)) and I was wondering if
> anyone out here could help me with a little question.  I am majoring
> in Aquatic (Fisheries) Biology.  I am currently just holding a job to
> pay for college and pay for my car and anything else.  I was wondering
> if anyone out there had any suggestions of further steps I could take
> that would look good on a resume'.  I want to work in my feild next
> summer and would like to do some odd things around the area while I am
> still in school (ie volunteering, etc).  If any of you have any
> guidance....no matter how big or small, please reply to my post or
> email me personally.  Thanx for your time and potential comments
> 
> 
>                                 Respectfully,
>                                                 Jason Yuhas
> 
> 
> 
> 
>                                                 
> *Whirling toward a town near you...*
> yuhasj@river.it.gvsu.edu
> http://www.csis.gsvu.edu/~yuhasj
> Jason Yuhas 'Whirly'

Jason,

I would suggest finding an internship through Student Conservation
Association or through your State Deparment of Conservation.  Also if you
can find a professor in your field looking for field assistants, hourlies,
or volunteers introduce yourself to them and get to know them.  Make
connections!  This experience will definitely benefit your long term
career goals. In Aquatic Biology (Fisheries) it has been very important in
my personal career to make connections early on in my undergraduate and
graduate years.  This path has ultimately led to reccomendations,
projects, grants, scholarships, and eventually a job right out of graduate
school. E-mail if you have any questions.

p-perea@uiuc.edu
                                    Sincerely,


                                    P.J. Perea
                                    DNR-INHS Fisheries Biologist


From c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz Fri Sep  8 17:52:47 EDT 1995
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From: c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz
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Subject: C&R - Conservation or Environmental Vandalism?
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>Date sent:        Thu, 7 Sep 1995 10:08:00 -0400
>From:             flip214@aol.com
>Subject:          Re: Tuna and Marlin

Captain Greg, since we are debating the environmental effects of 
catch-and-release fishing and the ethics involved in two different 
newsgroups rec.outdoors.fishing and sci.bio.fisheries, I have 
cross-posted to several groups which may find this discussion relavent 
(apologies in advance if I have wasted any bandwidth here). 

>What happened? did you have some kind of religious experience out on the
>water one day?  Is this the same person that was sharing your striped
>marlin tactics and favorite lures with me?
>There is no argument against your way of ensuring the fishes survival, 
Of
>course not fishing would solve the problem of any depleted pelagic fish
>stock.  (Except there would be no way to document this if everyone 
stopped
>fishing, so how would we really know?)

Greg I am afraid you have missed the point here. I am making the 
distinction between those who fish to harvest food, vs. catch-and-release 
only fishers whose primary motivation is to amuse themselves by fighting 
an animal whose only defence is to try to flee. Given that the 
catch-and-release hooking mortality for marlin would appear to be 15 
percent and upwards, the net impact of C&R oriented practitioners such as 
yourself is to leave a lot of dead marlin rotting on the bottom.

Considering we are going through a resource squeeze for seafood and 
fossil fuels, the activity you endorse which involves squandering large 
quantities of fossil fuels for the dubious feat of fighting a fish that 
can’t fight back, does NOT qualify as a conservation program IMHO.  
Billfish C&R programs could just as accurately be described as a 
decimation program. With millions of people starving to death each year 
worldwide and the planet’s population increasing, it is hard to place a 
higher value on billfish as entertainment, than as a food source.

If  billfish C&R programs were discontinued stocks could still be 
estimated from both recreational and longline Catch Per Unit of Effort 
(CPUE) data. NMFS Southwest fisheries center has been doing this for 
years.


>If this is truly your position than I feel it is admirable, I do not 
agree
>with it at all, but you are certainly entitled to try to convince others
>to see things your way.

>:One thing for sure - the best way to ensure a fish's survival is simply 
>:to leave it alone. I get real uncomfortable when I here people use the 
>:"any chance of survival is better than none" justification. That kind 
of 
>:platitude by catch-and-release advocates encourages a lot of 
destruction,

>:and wastage. But then again when people amuse themselves by "fighting" 
a 
>:fish that can't fight back, and whose only defence is to try to flee, 
>:those kinds of platitudes are to be expected.

>:I  had been thinking about that too. Nice to know that it works. The 
>:lure hookup % on striped marlin can get really frustrating, and I've
tried 
>:every trick in the book. Was he using the 
>:softhead to keep the mackeral from coming apart at that speed and 
>:then fishing it like bait after the strike (freespool, stop the boat, 
>:wait for the pause, etc.)??  Did he mention if he was  using both 
halves 
>:of the moldcraft over the bait or just the outside one??

>This is the same author?  Don't you think it is a little hypocritical to
>preach leaving the fish alone and then worry about your hookup %?

Greg - we both share an interest in marlin fishing techniques, but we are 
diametrically opposed in our motivations and intentions. I fish for 
marlin as a way of putting food on the table for family and friends. As a 
catch-and-release only fisher you fish for other reasons, which would 
appear to be the thrill of fighting an animal which can’t fight back, 
knowing full well that some of them are going to die as a result of their 
ordeal. Some would consider that a form of environmental vandalism.

>The long and short is that fishing does involve killing, (so does eating 
a
hamburger)
>the ocean is a resource that in my opinion can and should be responsibly
harvested.  

I am not a against killing when it involves harvesting food. I am however 
against the needless killing and senseless wastage of food resources, 
which your activities as a catch-and-release practitioner involve.

>As far as sportfishing is concerned it is simply that sport. 

I’m not sure I see the logic in that one.
 
>All of the data I can find shows that billfish stocks are not over
>exploited and the survival rate for properly released fish is higher 
than
>you might expect.  

Well in that case please post the data so we can all see it.


>The major pressure to billfish population comes from
>comercial longliners who simply throw dead marlin and sailfish (and a 
huge
>number of sharks) back in the ocean.  These fish have a near zero 
survival
>rate when hooked for 24 hours.  I have seen the data about recreational 
vs
>comercial fisherman and the numbers gathered by each, but in respect to
>Tuna and Marlin there was no data.  Marlin are not always recorded as a
>comercial catch and are almost never harvested by recreational anglers. 

Greg - It appears you are viewing the fishing world through Palm 
Beach-tinted glasses, where marlin are reserved as Torture Toys for The 
Rich.  In many places the recreational marlin catch is primarily utilised 
as a food source. A good example is Hawaii. Hawaiian recreational marlin 
fishers have to compete against commercial longliners. The recreational 
fleet still manages a reasonable catch and subject to a nominal 
commercial lisence fee they are allowed to sell their catch. The real 
winner are the consumers who enjoy high quality fresh fish at low cost. 
This would appear to be a far more environmentally sustainable method of 
managing a fishery than what catch-and-release fanatics such as yourself 
advocate. The C&R vision is that  entertainment is more important than 
food, even if some of the entertainees are left rotting on the bottom.


>If you are truly concerned about the frightened fish that is only trying
>to get away, The first step in preventing this might be for YOU to stop
>catching them and then worry about others.
>Greg Cousins
>Ft. Lauderdale FL

I’ll close this posting with some research results on hooking mortality. 
IMHO it indicates that we have an environmental problem here.

Craig Arfman, New Plymouth, New Zealand
c.arfman@taranaki.ac.nz

RESEARCH REFERENCES:

39 BILLFISH TAGGED - 6 BILLFISH DEAD (15% MORTALITY)
Mortality on billfish caught and released then tracked with sonic tags

Study   by Dr. Julian Pepperell in 1994 Article: "High-Tech Tagging" by 
Dr. 
Julian Pepperel as published in Australian publication "Modern 
Fishing's Sport and Game Fishing" 1994 pages 10 to 16

Of 39 billfish (blue marlin, striped marlin and sailfish) 33 survived at 
least until the track was lost or abandoned. Six apparantly did not 
survive. Two (a sailfish and a blue marlin) were taken by sharks. Actual 
mortality may have been higher as some fish were tracked for much shorter 
periods than in Block and Carey's study. Determining mortality was not 
the primary consideration, determining the fish's daily movements 
appeared to have been the main objective.


6 MARLIN TAGGED AND RELEASED - 2 DEAD WITHIN 72 HOURS 
33% Mortality - blue marlin - Billfish telemetric study by 
Barbara Block and Frank Carey, supported by; The Billfish 
Foundation, The Pacific Gamefish Research Foundation, and 
the National Science Foundation, 1989

blue marlin #1 - caught on 180lb test line, 15 minute fight, tracked 67 
hours Fish survived

Blue marlin #2 - caught on 180lb line, 15 minute fight, tracked 43 hours 
before track abandoned due to rough weather. Fish survived.

Blue marlin #3 - tracked 72 hours. Fish survived.

Blue marlin #4 - tag was tracked for 72 hours. Tag was eaten by a 
white-tip shark. Can reasonably conclude fate of marlin was same as that 
of tag. Fish did not survive.

Blue marlin #5 - fish died 24 hours into track and sank to bottom

Blue marlin #6 - fish tracked 122 hours. Fish survived

The researchers used 180lb test on some of the fish to minimise capture 
times as other studies have shown long capture times damage the internal 
organs of marlin. Clearly if one marlin died and sank to the bottom, then 
the other which was killed by a shark, was most killed likely because it 
was less able to evade predators, as a result of capture stress.


10% AVERAGE OVERALL HOOKING MORTALITY IN 132 STUDIES
"Hooking mortality: A review for recreational fisheries" published in 
volume two of Reviews in Fisheries Science". Two Texan biologists, 
Maurice Muoneke and Michael Childress, amassed details of some 132 
studies which were relevant to hooking mortality, and summarised them in 
a number of ways. Some findings: 30% of all studies showed hooking 
mortality at 20% or more, 48% of studies showed mortality at more than 
10%, 41% showed hooking mortality at to be 5% or less. (As reported in 
Modern Fishing, April 1995, p. 27) 








From vrasdonk@kogia Fri Sep  8 17:52:48 EDT 1995
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From: vrasdonk@kogia (F. Vrasdonk)
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,
I'm a student environmentology at the Free University of Amsterdam.
I'm working on a mathematical model to calculate NOEC's and LC50's
with.
To validate the model I need testresults in wich is measured:
fishlength in time (at least three measurements per fish, the more the better)
and this for differend concentrations of a toxicant.
If you can help me please reply or mail me some titles.
Hope to hear from you, goodbye
				flobus



From brett3@ix.netcom.com Fri Sep  8 17:52:50 EDT 1995
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From: brett3@ix.netcom.com (brett rowley)
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Subject: Catch and Release Fishing
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I read the Argument about C&R billfishing with much interest and
emotion. I wonder if anybody has any comments or observations of how
these arguments might apply to largemouth bass fishing. Catch and
release have been the bywords of sportfishermen that pursue the bass
coast to coast. I have my own feelings and opinions on the subject. I
am the manager of a large privately owned sportfishing resort in
Southeast Texas. We have to practice C&R due to the large number of
users that would quickly deplete the population if the fish were
dressed and eaten. I am also a sportfisherman that practices C&R for
some species, and bring others home to feed my family. I see both sides
of the argument, but reserve my opinions at this time. As I lack the
time and financial resources to pursue billfishing, I would be very
curious about how fisheries managers felt about the same issue in
relation to largemouth and other freshwater species. Hoping to see some
more posts,
Brett Rowley
Fisheries Biologist
Great Lakes Koi breeding Farm
West Columbia, Texas


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Subject: AQUACULTURE & FISH FARMING JOURNALS AVAILABLE
Date: 7 Sep 1995 22:22:22 GMT
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I have over 220 photocopied articles from various international
and professional journals that I wish to make available to someone in
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The bulk of these articles relate to the use of various Tilapia and
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I wish to make these available because my professional and personal
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From flip214@aol.com Sun Sep 10 23:40:05 EDT 1995
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From: flip214@aol.com (Flip214)
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Subject: Re: C&R - Conservation or Environmental Vandalism?
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I find it very difficult to believe that I or any other recreational
fisherman can be accused of leaving "a lot of dead marlin on the bottom."
I consider myself to be reasonably accomplished as a marlin fisherman and
have proven so in several tournaments.  In my life as a sport fisherman
the most marlin I have ever taken in a single day is 3.  I have a good
friend who works on a charter boat in St. Thomas which is thought to be
one of the billfish capitals of the world.  They were very proud to catch
100 marlin in a season.  Now given your mortality rate of 15 percent, in
one year they killed 15 fish as all were released.  I also have many
friends working at the NMFS who monitor catches of commercial longliners. 
In one trip they commonly kill 40-50 marlin and DO NOT keep them for food
but rather throw them back in the ocean.  It appears your problem lies
elsewhere.

>Considering we are going through a resource squeeze for seafood and 
>fossil fuels, the activity you endorse which involves squandering large 
>quantities of fossil fuels for the dubious feat of fighting a fish that 
>can't fight back, does NOT qualify as a conservation program IMHO.  
>Billfish C&R programs could just as accurately be described as a 
>decimation program. With millions of people starving to death each year 
>worldwide and the planetÆs population increasing, it is hard to place a 
>higher value on billfish as entertainment, than as a food source.

It is very clear by this statement that you and others who believe they
are feeding the world, live no where near the real world.  I would point
you and your feed the world following to The NMFS Green Turtle Billfish
Economic Impact Study.  This study convincingly concluded that the value
of one blue marlin taken commercially as a food source was approximately
$700 to the Bahamian people.  Then they found the value of the same marlin
caught and released by a visiting sport fisherman resulted in an average
inflow of $17,000 to the same economy.  The action taken by the Bahamian
government was to immediately ban all longlining in the Bahamas.  So while
you are feeding a few needy people with your captured marlin (which really
doesn't taste that good any way) the sport fisherman who releases his fish
is actually doing almost 25 times as much for the general public.  I ask
you now who would the people of many of these underdeveloped countries
rather see fishing their waters? You, who will give them 1 or 2 fish that
really isn't that good to eat.  Or me, who is going to spend several
thousand dollars buying fuel, give a few local people work as mates or
crew, spend a few thousand dollars in local hotels and restaurants and
maybe buy some souvenirs while I am there.  I think it goes all the way
back to the "give a man a fish - teach a man to fish" proverb.
What is your REAL problem with catch and release? I think you better find
some other group of people to single out in you attempt to solve the
world's problems because sport fisherman are doing more than most.

Captain Greg


From poets@ccmail.orst.edu Sun Sep 10 23:40:06 EDT 1995
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From: Steven Poet <poets@ccmail.orst.edu>
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Subject: Re: Catch and Release Fishing
Date: 8 Sep 1995 19:07:09 GMT
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IMHO, as with most anything, moderation is the best route (how's that
for sitting on the fence);).  Seriously, C&R folks tend to get on a
high horse occasionally and are proud that they are protecting the
fishery.  In reality, they are still killing fish.  A person who lands
30 trout in a fly fishing day trip and puts them all back will kill
more fish than the person who only lands 2 fish and eats them.  The 
only way to protect a fishery is to close it to fishing.  I guess you
could require hookless flies.  At least you would get to see the
strike.    

brett3@ix.netcom.com (brett rowley) wrote:
>
> I read the Argument about C&R billfishing with much interest and
> emotion. I wonder if anybody has any comments or observations of how
> these arguments might apply to largemouth bass fishing. Catch and
> release have been the bywords of sportfishermen that pursue the bass
> coast to coast. I have my own feelings and opinions on the subject. I
> am the manager of a large privately owned sportfishing resort in
> Southeast Texas. We have to practice C&R due to the large number of
> users that would quickly deplete the population if the fish were
> dressed and eaten. I am also a sportfisherman that practices C&R for
> some species, and bring others home to feed my family. I see both sides
> of the argument, but reserve my opinions at this time. As I lack the
> time and financial resources to pursue billfishing, I would be very
> curious about how fisheries managers felt about the same issue in
> relation to largemouth and other freshwater species. Hoping to see some
> more posts,
> Brett Rowley
> Fisheries Biologist
> Great Lakes Koi breeding Farm
> West Columbia, Texas



From halg@adfg.state.ak.us Sun Sep 10 23:40:08 EDT 1995
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From: Hal Geiger <halg@adfg.state.ak.us>
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Subject: Re: State Fisheries Budgets
Date: 8 Sep 1995 17:58:57 GMT
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Mike@dar-mail.ccmail.compuserve.com (Mike Yamamoto) wrote:
>
> <parts deleted>
>I need ... obtain fisheries budgets from as many states as possible

For the fiscal year that began in July of 1995, Alaska's budget is
    $17,820,000 for the Sport Fisheries Division, and 
    $42,118,000 for the Commercial Fisheries Division.

This is from Chapter 94 from the Session Laws of Alaska, p. 31.

I didn't reply through private e-mail because I thought it would
be interesting to others to see how these things vary across states.
                             ---Hal
    


From poets@ccmail.orst.edu Sun Sep 10 23:40:09 EDT 1995
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From: Steven Poet <poets@ccmail.orst.edu>
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Subject: Re: C&R - Conservation or Environmental Vandalism?
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This is a great discussion that impacts much more than just billfish.
The C&R mentality is a good one when used in moderation.  Fishing for
food is fine as well, when done in moderation.  My background is the
Pacific Northwest.  The historic pictures of fisherman posing with
literally hundreds of sea-run cutthroat trout demonstrate outrageously
excessive fishing-for-food practices, and that fishery is suffering 
today, in part, because of overharvest.  C&R fishing kills fish, no one
can argue that point.  The guy in the fishing TV shows who talks about
C&R while dangling his catch out of the water is killing that fish.
Eating your catch is OK as long as you use common sense.  
I hunt and fish, and I eat what I kill.  I practice C&R as well when I 
feel I can release a fish unharmed, or when regulations require it.  
That means it never comes out of the water, is hooked in the lip, and
was fought a short time.

If you C&R fish, you will leave dead fish on the bottom.  That means
both food fishermen and C&R fisherman must use moderation in their
fishing.  Catching 50 to 75 trout in a day (yes, it is possible in the
Pacific Northwest, and I'll deny I ever said it ;)), is not protecting 
the fishery even if you release them all.  Limiting out every day for
a week is not protecting the fishery either.  I truly believe that 
hunters of all types (gun, bow, rod and reel) are some of the most
conservation minded people on the planet.  Protecting the wild stocks
of game animals is in all our best interests.  The only 100% effective
method to do this is to close off fisheries to any harvest method.
 

flip214@aol.com (Flip214) wrote:
>
> I find it very difficult to believe that I or any other recreational
> fisherman can be accused of leaving "a lot of dead marlin on the bottom."
> I consider myself to be reasonably accomplished as a marlin fisherman and
> have proven so in several tournaments.  In my life as a sport fisherman
> the most marlin I have ever taken in a single day is 3.  I have a good
> friend who works on a charter boat in St. Thomas which is thought to be
> one of the billfish capitals of the world.  They were very proud to catch
> 100 marlin in a season.  Now given your mortality rate of 15 percent, in
> one year they killed 15 fish as all were released.  I also have many
> friends working at the NMFS who monitor catches of commercial longliners. 
> In one trip they commonly kill 40-50 marlin and DO NOT keep them for food
> but rather throw them back in the ocean.  It appears your problem lies
> elsewhere.
> 
> >Considering we are going through a resource squeeze for seafood and 
> >fossil fuels, the activity you endorse which involves squandering large 
> >quantities of fossil fuels for the dubious feat of fighting a fish that 
> >can't fight back, does NOT qualify as a conservation program IMHO.  
> >Billfish C&R programs could just as accurately be described as a 
> >decimation program. With millions of people starving to death each year 
> >worldwide and the planetÆs population increasing, it is hard to place a 
> >higher value on billfish as entertainment, than as a food source.
> 
> It is very clear by this statement that you and others who believe they
> are feeding the world, live no where near the real world.  I would point
> you and your feed the world following to The NMFS Green Turtle Billfish
> Economic Impact Study.  This study convincingly concluded that the value
> of one blue marlin taken commercially as a food source was approximately
> $700 to the Bahamian people.  Then they found the value of the same marlin
> caught and released by a visiting sport fisherman resulted in an average
> inflow of $17,000 to the same economy.  The action taken by the Bahamian
> government was to immediately ban all longlining in the Bahamas.  So while
> you are feeding a few needy people with your captured marlin (which really
> doesn't taste that good any way) the sport fisherman who releases his fish
> is actually doing almost 25 times as much for the general public.  I ask
> you now who would the people of many of these underdeveloped countries
> rather see fishing their waters? You, who will give them 1 or 2 fish that
> really isn't that good to eat.  Or me, who is going to spend several
> thousand dollars buying fuel, give a few local people work as mates or
> crew, spend a few thousand dollars in local hotels and restaurants and
> maybe buy some souvenirs while I am there.  I think it goes all the way
> back to the "give a man a fish - teach a man to fish" proverb.
> What is your REAL problem with catch and release? I think you better find
> some other group of people to single out in you attempt to solve the
> world's problems because sport fisherman are doing more than most.
> 
> Captain Greg



From jdidden@emerald.tufts.edu Sun Sep 10 23:40:10 EDT 1995
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From: jdidden@emerald.tufts.edu (Jason T. Didden)
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: decimation program. With millions of people starving to death each year 
: worldwide and the planet’s population increasing, it is hard to place a 
: higher value on billfish as entertainment, than as a food source.

	Exactly what large scale food value do Bill-Fish have?  And I am 
unconvinced that harvesting billfish for food is an environmentally 
friendly practice in the first place.  Is it an efficient method to 
collect food?  I mean, it's one thing to harvest billfish for food if 
there is concrete evidence that they are experiencing over-population 
problems (like suburban deer winter-kill situations) but I have a hard 
time that the pursuit of bill fish would be the best allocation of 
recources, if the goal was to use the least recources to procure the 
greatest foodstuffs at the least cost to the environment.

: >:One thing for sure - the best way to ensure a fish's survival is simply 
: >:to leave it alone. I get real uncomfortable when I here people use the 
: >:"any chance of survival is better than none" justification. That kind 
: of 
: >:platitude by catch-and-release advocates encourages a lot of 
: destruction,

: >:and wastage.

	True, it is not the best senario.  But in the best senario if 
what you are looking at is a narrow view of what is the best thing for 
the environment, we should tear all our cities down, reduce the 
population of humankind to about 1/100 of what it is now, and spend every 
day going individually through the forest pruning out plants that will 
eventually die because they are sick or will be out-competed by near-by 
plants.  This most likely will not happen.  So what we need is some 
comprimise.  And if when I go fishing, I release most of my fish, and 
keep one or two fish every couple of trips, I think that this is a 
comprimise that will help the environment.  If I and all the other 
Potomac River fishers kept even half of the fish we caught, the River 
would be depleted in no time at all.  The other thing is that you can 
usually tell when fish are going to survive & when they are not.  So if 
you keep a few fish, only those you deep hook or exaust, then you both 
return all most all of your fish *and* prevent waste to a great extent.

: diametrically opposed in our motivations and intentions. I fish for 
: marlin as a way of putting food on the table for family and friends. As a 
: catch-and-release only fisher you fish for other reasons, which would 
: appear to be the thrill of fighting an animal which can’t fight back, 
: knowing full well that some of them are going to die as a result of their 
: ordeal. Some would consider that a form of environmental vandalism.

	Some would call your eating such a beautiful animal when it could 
have been released the same thing...

: winner are the consumers who enjoy high quality fresh fish at low cost. 
: This would appear to be a far more environmentally sustainable method of 
: managing a fishery than what catch-and-release fanatics such as yourself 
: advocate. The C&R vision is that  entertainment is more important than 
: food, even if some of the entertainees are left rotting on the bottom.

	Just because it provides consumers with meat at low cost does not 
make it environmentally friendly...refer to my 1st paragraph...  Like the 
captain said, if you are so concerned, recearch the most environmentally 
way to live, and then do that.  I would bet that it is far different from 
what you are doing now.  Not that mine is, but what I want to emphasize 
is that what we need are comprimises, and in many situations C&R is one 
that helps the environment.

						Jason Didden



From npscweb@nbs.gov Sun Sep 10 23:40:12 EDT 1995
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From: npscweb@nbs.gov (Northern Prairie Webmaster)
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Below you will find a press release from the Northern Prairie Science
Center of the National Biological Service concerning their new WWW
site at http://164.159.215.66/  

We feel this might be of interest to the members of this group. Please
accept our apologies if this is an inappropriate forum for 
such an announcement.

Thank you,
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======================================== 
PRESS RELEASE (September 8, 1995)

The Northern Prairie Science Center today announced a World Wide Web
home page that offers a variety of information on
the biotic resources of the Great Plains. Currently 25 information
resources can easily be browsed, ranging from the distribution
of breeding birds in North Dakota, to the predators of the Prairie
Pothole Region, to a glossary of terms used in ornithology.
The effort is intended to make information that has already been
gathered more widely accessible to resource managers,
scientists, educators, and the public.

By connecting to http://www.npsc.nbs.gov/ [Note: this address will
become operational in mid September; until then the home
page can be accessed at http://164.159.215.66/], one can examine
distributional maps of butterflies, view photographs of
reptiles and amphibians, find out which birds live in North Dakota,
survey literature on grassland birds, learn about prairie
wildflowers, obtain a waterfowl population model, and much more.
Visitors to the home page can view, and print if desired,
more than 4000 maps showing distribution patterns of animals.

The home page was developed in cooperation with the University of
North Dakota, North Dakota State University, Minot
State University, North Dakota Natural Heritage Program, Illinois
Endangered Species Protection Board, North Dakota Game
and Fish Department, Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources, North
Dakota Herpetological Society, U.S. Fish and
Wildlife Service, National Biological Service, and other contributors.
The initial emphasis of the home page is on North
Dakota, but information from elsewhere in the Great Plains is
included, with more being added regularly.

For information about the home page, contact Terry Shaffer. To suggest
other sources of information to include, contact
Douglas H. Johnson. Both are at the Northern Prairie Science Center,
Jamestown, North Dakota. Phone: 701-252-5363, fax:
701-252-4217. Email addresses are Terry_Shaffer@nbs.gov and
Douglas_H_Johnson@nbs.gov. 

CURRENT BIOLOGICAL RESOURCES:
Distribution Data
     Breeding Birds of North Dakota 
     Breeding Bird Ranges of North America
     Butterflies of North Dakota
     Butterflies of North America 
     Earthworms of North Dakota
     Mammals of Southwestern North Dakota
     Mollusks of North Dakota 
     Moths of the United States 
     Predators that Affect Duck Production -- Prairie P