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		<title>by: Prostelitizing Reason Abolishing Myth</title>
		<link>http://www.ibiblio.org/bascha/blog/2006/01/28/the-prairie-muffin-manifesto/#comment-76955</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The problem with the so-called 'lifestyle' is that it is based on an inane and a wholly false text that has been translated and re-translated until it no longer even resembles the original crap from which it so readily sprung.  Yes, I am talking about the Bible.  Why not do something worth while with your life.  Farming is a respectable occupation but being 'godly' is a waste of time and resources.  Devote that time to thought and reason, and you might have something.  Have some respect for yourself and your fellow humans.  Stop giving money to a lost cause.  It's only been 2000 years.  Isn't that enough?  Move on.  God doesn't exist nor did he ever.  Let's stop the abuse chain, let's stop religion.  Nothing good comes of it and these 'muffins' are a perfect example.  Blasphemy?  That should be a word no child is taught.  After all, it's a moot point when there is no god.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with the so-called &#8216;lifestyle&#8217; is that it is based on an inane and a wholly false text that has been translated and re-translated until it no longer even resembles the original crap from which it so readily sprung.  Yes, I am talking about the Bible.  Why not do something worth while with your life.  Farming is a respectable occupation but being &#8216;godly&#8217; is a waste of time and resources.  Devote that time to thought and reason, and you might have something.  Have some respect for yourself and your fellow humans.  Stop giving money to a lost cause.  It&#8217;s only been 2000 years.  Isn&#8217;t that enough?  Move on.  God doesn&#8217;t exist nor did he ever.  Let&#8217;s stop the abuse chain, let&#8217;s stop religion.  Nothing good comes of it and these &#8216;muffins&#8217; are a perfect example.  Blasphemy?  That should be a word no child is taught.  After all, it&#8217;s a moot point when there is no god.
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		<title>by: A PROUD "Prairie Muffin"</title>
		<link>http://www.ibiblio.org/bascha/blog/2006/01/28/the-prairie-muffin-manifesto/#comment-76058</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I am so happy that I have the Lord on one side, and my dear husband on the other.  Life is wonderful, and I'm also glad that in the world *I* live in, I do not have to deal with idiotic feminism like this blog!  Wow ladies - first you use the Lord's name in vain, then you put down the Bible (well, yea, you did - everything you are putting down is outlined as the PROPER way for a woman to act in the Holy Bible).  No, I won't be laughing when you are burning in h*ll - I'll be sad.  I'm praying for you all.

And yes - I wear ONLY dresses, I have my hair covered, it is not cut, I do not work outside of the home, I wear no makeup, and I am PROUD to be a wife of a Godly man (and for the record, I do have denim jumpers and chickens, so I guess I am 100% a prairie muffin).

I'd pick this life any day....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so happy that I have the Lord on one side, and my dear husband on the other.  Life is wonderful, and I&#8217;m also glad that in the world *I* live in, I do not have to deal with idiotic feminism like this blog!  Wow ladies - first you use the Lord&#8217;s name in vain, then you put down the Bible (well, yea, you did - everything you are putting down is outlined as the PROPER way for a woman to act in the Holy Bible).  No, I won&#8217;t be laughing when you are burning in h*ll - I&#8217;ll be sad.  I&#8217;m praying for you all.</p>
<p>And yes - I wear ONLY dresses, I have my hair covered, it is not cut, I do not work outside of the home, I wear no makeup, and I am PROUD to be a wife of a Godly man (and for the record, I do have denim jumpers and chickens, so I guess I am 100% a prairie muffin).</p>
<p>I&#8217;d pick this life any day&#8230;.
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		<title>by: bascha</title>
		<link>http://www.ibiblio.org/bascha/blog/2006/01/28/the-prairie-muffin-manifesto/#comment-78</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 03:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm right there with ya!  I want so badly to be all 'you go girl' for these, er, Muffins, but at the same time my whole being is going &quot;Ugh!  Gross!&quot; and &quot;But what happens &lt;em&gt;after&lt;/em&gt;.&quot;

And, too, I'm totally just not sure on the kids thing--is it really right for a kid to grow up with that narrow (imagine me holding two fingers VERY close together) view of what a woman is, what a woman can be? Does their &lt;em&gt;choice&lt;/em&gt; extend that far?  Where does the mini-Muffin &quot;right&quot; to a &quot;normal&quot; childhood come in?  At all? Not until s/he's 18?

I just don't know. It's just one of those...  ugh--Things?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m right there with ya!  I want so badly to be all &#8216;you go girl&#8217; for these, er, Muffins, but at the same time my whole being is going &#8220;Ugh!  Gross!&#8221; and &#8220;But what happens <em>after</em>.&#8221;</p>
<p>And, too, I&#8217;m totally just not sure on the kids thing&#8211;is it really right for a kid to grow up with that narrow (imagine me holding two fingers VERY close together) view of what a woman is, what a woman can be? Does their <em>choice</em> extend that far?  Where does the mini-Muffin &#8220;right&#8221; to a &#8220;normal&#8221; childhood come in?  At all? Not until s/he&#8217;s 18?</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t know. It&#8217;s just one of those&#8230;  ugh&#8211;Things?
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		<title>by: Robust McManlyPants</title>
		<link>http://www.ibiblio.org/bascha/blog/2006/01/28/the-prairie-muffin-manifesto/#comment-77</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2006 00:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Now, if someone has gone into it and chosen it willingly, I am 100% in support of that.  And I totally support people who choose to do the stay-at-home thing because, by gods, there are a lot of people for whom that is really important and fulfilling and I want more people in the world to feel happy and fulfilled, however that happens.  But my fear is for people who don't get a choice - it just happens, or it's just expected of them, and then one day there's a big guy whose beliefs revolve around him always being right and being allowed - nay, &lt;i&gt;expected&lt;/i&gt; - to do all the &quot;manly&quot; things who flips his shit because someone doesn't feel like darning his socks right now.  That scares me.  But if people want it, and choose it?  More power to 'em.  Choice isn't about swapping my choice &lt;i&gt;for&lt;/i&gt; theirs, it's about protecting both their and my choices and rights to choose, and I'm totally on board with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, if someone has gone into it and chosen it willingly, I am 100% in support of that.  And I totally support people who choose to do the stay-at-home thing because, by gods, there are a lot of people for whom that is really important and fulfilling and I want more people in the world to feel happy and fulfilled, however that happens.  But my fear is for people who don&#8217;t get a choice - it just happens, or it&#8217;s just expected of them, and then one day there&#8217;s a big guy whose beliefs revolve around him always being right and being allowed - nay, <i>expected</i> - to do all the &#8220;manly&#8221; things who flips his shit because someone doesn&#8217;t feel like darning his socks right now.  That scares me.  But if people want it, and choose it?  More power to &#8216;em.  Choice isn&#8217;t about swapping my choice <i>for</i> theirs, it&#8217;s about protecting both their and my choices and rights to choose, and I&#8217;m totally on board with that.
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		<title>by: bascha</title>
		<link>http://www.ibiblio.org/bascha/blog/2006/01/28/the-prairie-muffin-manifesto/#comment-75</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;If someone is happy like that, more power to them, but it seems to me like it’s just a cheap, easy way to go - easier than I can respect. As you say, just tuck away every resentment, frustration, disagreement; just tamp it all down and let the man decide and wear a smile. I think it probably seems easy to some women who choose that life&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It does seem like a cheap, easy way to go, but I have to weigh that whole 'women can do ANYTHING they want' belief out.  If I really think women get choice, then they get the choice to stay home and be obedient and stuff.  It would really suck for me to make that choice (and for the poor schmuck who had to put up with my ceaseless restlessness), but some folks do want to make a home, and stay home to keep it. I feel like I have to be careful not to tread on their choice, just like I'd like them not to set my choice back, oh, 50 years.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And it's not just Prarie Dawn and her Dawg that are going this way.  We have friends--mutual and otherwise--who have chosen 'stay-at-home' careers.  Whether temporary or not, I gotta respect that. And, hey, I'm a bit jealous of that sort of freedom sometimes... especially when the alarm clock is going off on a work day and I'd rather pull the covers up over my head and go back to sleep!  ;)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And on the son/daughter dichotomy... oh, hells yeah. My parents were shocked--SHOCKED!--when I brought home a boy in college, and they discovered there was schtuppin' goin' on.  My brother, however, almost got arrested for banging his 15-y.o. girlfriend (after he had turned 18) and the only real cause for alarm was that they had gotten caught at a party where there was drinking, and the alcohol might get them all in trouble with their football coach.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>If someone is happy like that, more power to them, but it seems to me like it’s just a cheap, easy way to go - easier than I can respect. As you say, just tuck away every resentment, frustration, disagreement; just tamp it all down and let the man decide and wear a smile. I think it probably seems easy to some women who choose that life</em></p></blockquote>
<p>It does seem like a cheap, easy way to go, but I have to weigh that whole &#8216;women can do ANYTHING they want&#8217; belief out.  If I really think women get choice, then they get the choice to stay home and be obedient and stuff.  It would really suck for me to make that choice (and for the poor schmuck who had to put up with my ceaseless restlessness), but some folks do want to make a home, and stay home to keep it. I feel like I have to be careful not to tread on their choice, just like I&#8217;d like them not to set my choice back, oh, 50 years.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s not just Prarie Dawn and her Dawg that are going this way.  We have friends&#8211;mutual and otherwise&#8211;who have chosen &#8217;stay-at-home&#8217; careers.  Whether temporary or not, I gotta respect that. And, hey, I&#8217;m a bit jealous of that sort of freedom sometimes&#8230; especially when the alarm clock is going off on a work day and I&#8217;d rather pull the covers up over my head and go back to sleep!  ;)</p>
<p>And on the son/daughter dichotomy&#8230; oh, hells yeah. My parents were shocked&#8211;SHOCKED!&#8211;when I brought home a boy in college, and they discovered there was schtuppin&#8217; goin&#8217; on.  My brother, however, almost got arrested for banging his 15-y.o. girlfriend (after he had turned 18) and the only real cause for alarm was that they had gotten caught at a party where there was drinking, and the alcohol might get them all in trouble with their football coach.</p>
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		<title>by: Robust McManlyPants</title>
		<link>http://www.ibiblio.org/bascha/blog/2006/01/28/the-prairie-muffin-manifesto/#comment-73</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>OH, I forgot something.  One of our fraternity sisters (I won't say her name on teh intarwebs without permission, though I'll gladly tell you in person) was told in college, by her father, that it was wrong for her to have pre-marital sex.  Months later, her younger brother was allowed to have his girlfriend come over and stay with him, &lt;i&gt;in his bed&lt;/i&gt;, for several days during Winter Break.  When our sister challenged her father with this disparity, his response was simple:  &quot;Men have needs...&quot;

I'll hold your hair while you puke if you'll hold mine, sis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH, I forgot something.  One of our fraternity sisters (I won&#8217;t say her name on teh intarwebs without permission, though I&#8217;ll gladly tell you in person) was told in college, by her father, that it was wrong for her to have pre-marital sex.  Months later, her younger brother was allowed to have his girlfriend come over and stay with him, <i>in his bed</i>, for several days during Winter Break.  When our sister challenged her father with this disparity, his response was simple:  &#8220;Men have needs&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll hold your hair while you puke if you&#8217;ll hold mine, sis.
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		<title>by: Robust McManlyPants</title>
		<link>http://www.ibiblio.org/bascha/blog/2006/01/28/the-prairie-muffin-manifesto/#comment-72</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>They say history repeats itself, but do we really need to live in log cabins and take the right to vote from half the population to help it along?

I can't begin to understand someone submitting like this.  You say you don't blame the Muffins, but I think I blame &lt;i&gt;everybody&lt;/i&gt; in that situation.  If someone is happy like that, more power to them, but it seems to me like it's just a cheap, easy way to go - easier than I can respect.  As you say, just tuck away every resentment, frustration, disagreement; just tamp it all down and let the man decide and wear a smile.  I think it probably &lt;i&gt;seems&lt;/i&gt; easy to some women who choose that life, anyway, and then they wake up one morning with a bloody hatchet in their right hand and their husband's head in the other, or the psychological equivalent.  I can't imagine many other outcomes, frankly, but that's my own psychology intruding on the scenario.

I am reminded of The Boyf's favorite line ever from the Simpsons:  Lisa asks Homer what to do when she feels angry, how to express it, and he says (to paraphrase), &quot;You just take all that and you push it down, &lt;i&gt;way down&lt;/i&gt; inside, and then one day it all comes back out and you explode - just like Daddy did that time.  You remember that time when Daddy got angry?&quot;  Yeah.  I imagine it's a lot like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They say history repeats itself, but do we really need to live in log cabins and take the right to vote from half the population to help it along?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t begin to understand someone submitting like this.  You say you don&#8217;t blame the Muffins, but I think I blame <i>everybody</i> in that situation.  If someone is happy like that, more power to them, but it seems to me like it&#8217;s just a cheap, easy way to go - easier than I can respect.  As you say, just tuck away every resentment, frustration, disagreement; just tamp it all down and let the man decide and wear a smile.  I think it probably <i>seems</i> easy to some women who choose that life, anyway, and then they wake up one morning with a bloody hatchet in their right hand and their husband&#8217;s head in the other, or the psychological equivalent.  I can&#8217;t imagine many other outcomes, frankly, but that&#8217;s my own psychology intruding on the scenario.</p>
<p>I am reminded of The Boyf&#8217;s favorite line ever from the Simpsons:  Lisa asks Homer what to do when she feels angry, how to express it, and he says (to paraphrase), &#8220;You just take all that and you push it down, <i>way down</i> inside, and then one day it all comes back out and you explode - just like Daddy did that time.  You remember that time when Daddy got angry?&#8221;  Yeah.  I imagine it&#8217;s a lot like that.
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