Re: Perfect and Subjunctive/Future

akio itou (
Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:14:41 +0900

>To: (Carlton L. Winbery)
>From: (akio itou)
>Subject: Re: Perfect and Subjunctive/Future
>At 9:40 PM 96.9.6 +0400, Carlton L. Winbery wrote:
>>akio itou wrote;
>>>I have two questions to ask. In fact, one of my students asked me, but I do
>>>not think I have answered him adequately.
>>>Believe it or not, one of them concerns the perfect tense. What is the
>>>exact force of the perfect tense *elhluquian* in Mk 9:1. Matthew has a
>>>present participle *ercomenon*, whch refers to 'the son of man', not the
>>>kingdom. I do not think that this category did not come up in the recent
>>>discussion of perfect.
>>*elhluquian* is the perfect active participle modifying BASILEIAN. It
>>asserts that "they will see the Kingdom having come (present) in power."
>>The participle like and verbal adjective describes the Kingdom which they
>>see as present.
>That solves the question about the perfect tense, but how is it related to
>*hEWS AN IDWSIN*, which seems to imply the future time for the coming of the
>>>The other is *apolesei* in Mk 8:35. Am I supposed to take this a variant
>>>form of subjunctive, or a case of the indicative future fomr used for a
>>>subjuctive? What are opinions of those eminent Greek scholars?
>>*apolesei* appears to me as a prediction, "he will destroy it (his life).
>>The subjunctive is QELHi used with the particle EAN. This construction is
>>part of an indefinite relative clause, "Whoever wishes to save his live".
>>This relative clause serves as the subject of the future verb APOLESEI.
>Sorry, I did'nt quote the sentence. The *apolesei* I am talking about is the
>other one in the same verse: *hOS D'AN APOLESEI THN YUCHN AUTOU ...*
>>Carlton L. Winbery
>>Prof. NT & Greek La College
>Akio ITOU
>Tokyo Chritian University