Re: [Intro Greek]: Independent Subjunctives

Mr. Timothy T. Dickens (
Sun, 20 Oct 1996 00:01:10 -0400 (EDT)

At 08:42 PM 10/19/96 -0700, Dexter Garnier wrote:
>Dear Intro_Greek Listers,
>I am trying to teach myself Greek and am hoping I can find help here. My
>question is about Independent Subjunctives and whether or not voice
>affects translation. For instance in the following Prohibitive
>Subjunctive examples:
>MH PAUSHTE -- Aorist Subjunctive Active 2 person plural

This means "Don't Stop!"

>MH PAUSHSQE (Q=THETA) -- Aorist Subjunctive Middle 2 person plural

This means "Don't be stoped!" e.g. "Don't be stoped by the Athenians!" (The
ending is passive and not middle! Usually contexts makes it clear which
option to chose)

>MH PAUQHTE (Q=THETA) -- Aorist Subjunctive Passive 2 person plural

This is not Aorist. You would need a sigma (s) as in your example above. My
friend, this example is confusing! Where did you get it? Is it correctly
copied from your book? Please let me know. What's confusing about it is
the 'QH' indicator. This is an indicator of the passive voice. The 'TE'
ending is an active ending. Thus, you have both active and passive voice in
one verb. I have never seen this ever. An ending can be both
middle/passive, but not passive and active.

>It is unclear to me whether all three are to be translated "Do not stop"
>or if the Middle and the Passive Voices have to be translated differently
>according to their respective voice.
>Any assistance will be much appreciated!
>Dexter Garnier
>San Francisco, CA

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Timothy T. Dickens
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