Re: 'default' aorist
Somi Chuhon (firstname.lastname@example.org)
Sat, 26 Oct 1996 21:20:58 -0700
At 04:17 PM 10/25/96 -0700, you wrote:
>This is an old issue that has been worked into the ground and subsequently
>dug up and reworked again, so I'll try to avoid making to big a deal about
>it as I throw in my two obols. (typo, to = too)
>The first point I would make is that the aorist *is* the default tense for
>moods other than the indicative, and all the Greek teachers on this list have
>undoubtedly faced the challenge of explaining this many times. There is no
>default tense for the indicative mood, though, because "tense" as a desig-
>nation of time does have real meaning for the indicative. Whether we should
>speak of "aspect" all the time vis-a-vis "tense" is (in my opinion) an in-
>soluble issue. Understanding aspect is very important, and the concept applies
>to all the moods, but the indicative is in a way the default mood and certain-
>ly the most prevelant one.
>My second point includes a question for all interested parties. Another old
>argument is that "aorist" means "undefined" (the source for the "default"
>theory, I infer), based on an etymological analysis of the name itself. But
>I think attempts to define the aorist in this way, and/or to say what it can
>and can not do based on the etymological analysis of "aorist" are ill-con-
>ceived. Some time ago I ran a TLG search for "aorist" and came up virtually
>empty: the word occurred in grammatical contexts a few times, but I don't
>remember finding any enlightening comments. That brings me to the question:
>do any of you (Carl, Ed, Carlton, or others) have any solid definitions of
>the aorist from antiquity?
I would be very interested in any of this information if it is available.
>At the bottom line, I think an understanding of the aorist and of all the
>other grammatical distinctions in Greek depends on a careful reading of the
>texts. I don't know for sure whether some of the NT grammarians are really
>basing their analyses on "modern" linquistics or something as tenuous as the
>etymologies of special terms, but to do so at the expense of carefully reading
>the texts (if that is what is being done in any case) is unadulterated folly.
Thanks so much, Don. I am encouraged to look into this further. I am
especially grateful to read your comment that our "grammatical distinctions
in Greek depends on a careful reading of the texts." I guess it is
difficult to know how far we are to go from our own "grammatical-grid" of
English into a proper understanding of Greek grammar! I guess that's why we
study it so much !! :) :)
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