Re: Article-Article-Noun-Noun

Paul Zellmer (
Mon, 16 Dec 1996 23:44:26 -0800

Carlton Winbery wrote:
> I may as well jump in here.
> Paul Zellmer wrote;
> >Sorry to be so dense, Carl. I guess this is a form that I always put
> >under another classification, and so never thought out the grammars when
> >I hit the discussions. Are you saying that the subjective genitive is
> >found in clauses with transitive verbs,
> The word is not clauses but phrases. The subjective or objective genitive
> is a noun (or any noun substitute) in the genitive that modifies a noun of
> action, i.e., "love" implies someone is doing the loving. e.g. THS AGAPHS
> TOU CHRISTOU in Rom. 8:35, "the love which Christ has for us." Love
> implies that Christ has done something (loved) us. The key is that THS
> AGAPHS, a noun of action is modified by TOU CHRISTOU, a subjective
> genitive.
> >but genitive absolutes are found
> >with [expressed or implied] intransitives? Again, since I am away from
> >my research materials, could someone help with examples that grammars
> >give to demonstrate the subjective genitive? If you feel that it is not
> >worth cluttering up the list with these (and it probably isn't), feel
> >free to responde to me off-line.
> >
> Again the key to the genitive absolute is a noun or pronoun in the genitive
> used with a participle (in the NT almost exclusively ptc) also in the
> genitive case. The noun or pronoun in the genitive case functions as the
> subject of the action or state of being indicated by the participle. Also
> the whole structure is related to the main clause only in idea. The verb in
> the main clause will even have a different subject. e.g. CHRONIZONTOS TOU
> NUMFIOU of Mt. 25:5 = "While the bridegroom tarried". Most of these in the
> NT have an adverbial (often a temporal) function in the larger sentence.
> Carlton L. Winbery
> Fogleman Professor of Religion
> Louisiana College
> Fax (318) 442-4996
> Phone (318) 487-7241
I am now like the blind man who said, "I see!" as he picked up his
hammer and saw!

Thanks, Carl, Carlton, et al.

I guess I can also see from the example of the subjective genitive why I
never paid attention to this before. I did not emphasize the activity
resident in AGAPH (or DIKAIOSUNH).

Thanks again

Paul Zellmer
Southern Methodist Missions