Re: More from alt.messianic....
The following contains more from alt.messianic on the clean/unclean
issue in the New Testament. I thought our list members might find it
interesting and worthy of comment.
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>From: Malachi.Robertson@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Malachi Robertson)
>Subject:clean and unclean under the new covenant
>Date: 21 Jul 92 18:40:40 GMT
>My religious organization has supported the continuing validity for all
>believers of the Old Testament dietary laws. These along with verses
>concerning the primitive diet of humanity before and after the fall are
>some general guidelines used to obey what is brought out in I Corinthians
>6:19, 20: "Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy
>Spirit within you, which you have from G_d, and that you are not your own?
>For you were bought with a price; therefore glorify G_d in your body."
>Unfortunately, I have been unable most of the time to see why those
>dietary laws were still applicable to me. Recently upon reading some
>scholarly work concerning a different issue in our church, I was given a
>glimpse of some reasons for the continued validity of those laws.
>1) The scriptures make plain that animals were separated as clean and
>unclean at the time of the deluge. Although not directly tied into diet,
>the literary structure (somehow) suggests a connection. Also, in Gen. 9
>not all animal are allowed to be eaten, but every remes (a subset of the
>animals). This may suggest a reference to keeeping things clean.
>2) The distinction is clearly not based upon ritual.
>3) Unlike other types of uncleanness mentioned in Leviticus, the food
>laws lack a way for making them clean. This may suggest perpetual
>4) Indications exist that the dietary laws applied to non-Israelites as
>well as Israelites. Leviticus 20:25 mentions the animal distinctions in
>the context of practices that defile the land in general. Leviticus 18
>mentions some of the same practices in Leviticus 20 and mentions that they
>led to the defilement of the land and the expulsion of its people. It
>should also be noted that the word for abomination in Lev. 18 appears
>directly in connection with the food distinctions in Deuteronomy 14:3.
>Another text under this consideration is Lev. 17:13 concerning the statute
>against eating blood: "And anyone of the people of Israel, or of the
>aliens who reside among them, who hunts down an animal or bird THAT MAY BE
>EATEN shall pour out its blood and cover it with earth." Here in
>reference to the Isrealite and foreigner is a suggestion of distinction
>between animals that may be eaten and those that may not be.
>5) The distinction continues in the New Testament as it is not abolished.
>This consideration is based on the notion that the texts that many bring
>up as somehow making all animals clean are in reality dealing with a
>condemnation of a pracitce of defilement by association; that is, if a
>clean object touched an unclean object it would then be defiled or common.
>In Mark 7 all different foods are not defiled by the unwashed hands. If a
>person touches a piece of kosher and clean meat with unwashed hands, then
>they do not make it defiled. In Acts 10 Peter can not eat anything that
>is presented to him as by association anything clean would by association
>be common to him. G_d's answer is not to tell Peter don't call any animal
>unclean (in the typical distinction sense), but rather "What G_d has
>declared clean, you must not call common" (v. 14). There has been some
>confusion over the Greek word kionos. It does not mean unclean
>(akathartos), but it has been translated as that sometimes. In Romans
>14:14 Paul is discussing kionos not akathartos. He also appears to be
>deriding the defilement by association practice.
>6) Also, the reasoning for the dietary laws is tied to holiness. This is
>seen in Lev. 11 and Lev. 20. And as I have posted in the end of my
>introduction the people of the new covenant are also called to holiness.
>What better way to look for what holiness means than to the Old Testament.
>These are in general the consideration presented to me. I would
>appreciate comments or criticisms for I view myself as a seeker of the
>truth who is ready to reevaluate my current position if the Scriptures
>warrant it. Thanks for your time.
>"You shall therefore make a distinction between the clean animal and the
>unclean, and between the unclean bird and the clean; you shall not bring
>abomination on yourselves by animal or by bird or by anything with which
>the ground teems, which I have set apart for you to hold unclean. You
>shall be holy to me; for I the LORD am holy, and I have separated you from
>the other peoples to be mine." Lev. 20:25,26
>"Therefore prepare your minds for action; discipline yourselves; set all
>your hope on the grace that Jesus Christ will bring you when he is
>revealed. Like obedient children, do not be conformed to the desires that
>you formerly had in ignorance. Instead, as he who called you holy, be
>holy yourselves in all your conduct; for it is written, "You shall be
>holy, for I am holy." I Peter 1:13-16
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> North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
> Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
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