b-greek-digest V1 #694

b-greek-digest               Friday, 5 May 1995         Volume 01 : Number 694

In this issue:

        Query: Metzger's Textual Commentary 
        Re: Translations (fwd)
        Re: areth 
        Re: Translations 


From: Nichael Lynn Cramer <nichael@sover.net>
Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 00:02:03 -0400
Subject: Query: Metzger's Textual Commentary 

First, thanks to Gary Meadors for his note concerning the availability of
the 2nd edition of Metzger's _Textual Commentary on the Greek NT_ (i.e. an
update to bring it in line with the UBS4).

However, now that I have my copy in my hands, a couple of questions come to

The first edition, of course, contained commentaries on the 1440 variant
readings included in the UBS3 as well as "comments on about 600 additional
sets of variant reading..." which "... deserved discussion in th[is]

The preface to the new edition notes that comments on each of the 284 new
(i.e. new to the UBS4) variants readings are included in the new edition of
the _Commentary_.  Similarly "...the comments on _almost all_ of the 273
sets of variant readings that the Committee removed from the apparatus ...
are no longer retained in the Commentary" [emphasis added].

So, my questions:

1] Has an exhaustive listing of which variants were dropped and/or added in
the preparations of the UBS4 been published anywhere?

2] I find it slightly curious/annoying[*] that the set of 273 variants
which were dropped weren't simply "moved over" into the category of the
additional "interesting" variants and thus retained in the Commentary (this
is particularly puzzling in that it would appear that at least some of the
variants did survive in this way).  Similarly the Preface leaves the fate
of the "additional" variants unclear: Were (other) new variants added?
Were some dropped?  On a like note, my question is: Has a listing of these
variants been published?

  [* "Annoying" is surely too strong a word; nonetheless what this means
     is that I now need to keep both editions handy, and need to check
     both on the off chance that some variant about which I'm trying to
     find more information might be included in one edition but not the


Nichael                                                __
nichael@sover.net                  Be as passers-by -- IC
Paradise Farm
Brattleboro VT


From: Nichael Lynn Cramer <nichael@sover.net>
Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 00:18:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Translations (fwd)

At 11:26 PM 04/05/95 -0400, Micheal Palmer wrote:
> ... I feel compelled to add that the RSV was unecessarily sexist
>in that it often includes the English word "man" where there is
>absolutely no ground for it in the Greek text.
>  [... examples deleted ...]

A point not made often enough in discussions on this topic.

>I wonder if there are any places where it is clear that the Greek text
>refers exclusively to males, yet the NRSV has rendered an inclusive
>translation. Do any of you know of one? (Notice that I am not denying
>that they exist. I'm simply saying that I am ignorant of them.)

A minor point perhaps worth making here is that --quoting Walter Harrleson,
Vice-Chair of the NRSV translation committee-- "... the translation
committee [affirmed] its decision not to attempt to eliminate masculine
references to God".

Too often this charge is raised by detractors of the NRSV's use of
inclusive language and --more typically-- by those attempting to lampoon
the style, especially in the popular press.

Nichael                                                __
nichael@sover.net                  Be as passers-by -- IC
Paradise Farm
Brattleboro VT


From: GGoolde@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 00:23:15 -0400
Subject: Re: areth 


I agree completely with your excellent thoughts and your differentiation
between spiritual and moral goodness.  

Yours because His,



From: GGoolde@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 00:39:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Translations 

I think the NASB indicates the historical present routinely in its text. 



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