b-greek-digest V1 #731

b-greek-digest              Friday, 2 June 1995        Volume 01 : Number 731

In this issue:

        Let's make a critical apparatus (quickly)
        Agape connotations 


From: Timothy John Finney <finney@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au>
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:33:34 +0800 (WST)
Subject: Let's make a critical apparatus (quickly)

On Tue, 23 May 1995, Larry W. Hurtado wrote:
>Does Mr. Finney (and others on the list) know of the International Greek 
>NT Project, which for several decades has been working toward the rather 
>more complete crit. apparatus he aspires to contribute to?  Their work on 
>Luke has appeared (Oxford Univ. Press), and they are now working on 

I am aware of the IGNTP. However it took a number of decades to get Luke
and I imagine that John will be an equally stupendous task. My point is
that if we cooperate, the electronic medium gives us an unprecedented
opportunity to advance the state of textual criticism a long way in a
short time. If you look at my original post you will see that the
implication is that it is conceivable that an accurate, exhaustive critical
apparatus of the whole New Testament encompassing an agreed core of the
most important MSS could be produced within five years. What is more, any 
other manuscripts can be added as desired.

Dr Peter Robinson's Collate program automatically collates manuscripts. 
Therefore, what is now needed is a concerted effort to transcribe the NT
MSS into computer readable form. (Scanning doesn't work at a sufficient
level of reliability yet, nor can it be expected to in the near future.)
That way we can see exactly what is in a given manuscript. At the moment a
lot of potentially useful details, such as spelling, punctuation and even
variants, are smoothed out at the editorial stage. 

Remember Erasmus. It took fifty years for the New Testament to benefit
from the new technology of the printing press. (Hebrew lexicons were
printed before the New Testament!) Are we in danger of neglecting our book
once again? What would Lobegott Konstantin Tischendorf think of us missing 
such an opportunity?

Tim Finney 
Murdoch University 
Western Australia


From: "Edgar M. Krentz" <emkrentz@mcs.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 23:17:52 -0600
Subject: Agape connotations 

I am forwarding the attached communication about the noun AGAPE from the
classics list at the University of Washinoton because it is a reminder of
how rich and varied the connotations of a Greek word can be in a given
context. That should warn against over-pressing distinctions between
synonyms (?), and remind us to read Anders Nygren with some  suspicion.
Words are POIKILA, much more like Joseph's coat of many colors than we
often think.

Ed Krentz


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>J. Vaux writes about AGAPH (agape) and ERWS (eros) and their meanings.
>                                                           p. 16 no. 15
>J. D. Beazley, in his Attic Red-Figure VAse Painters (2nd ed.) comments on the
>Euphronios psykter[in St. Petersburg (Russia), Ermitage (inv. no. 644), from 
>>Cerveteri] 'The name AGAPH (retrograde) disproves the statement in Glotta 36,
>>105, that agaph is not a classical Greek word'.  He could also, quite
>>obviously, have gone farther.
>   The scene shows four nude women reclining as at the symposion, each with dri
>nking cup(s). Each of them is named; one of them proposes a toast to Leagros -
>at least that is the most common interpretation.  The ladies are generally thou
>ght to be hetairai, and their names 'noms de guerre' ... which, if true, also s
>uggests that for late Archaic athenians, AGAPH was not aetherial devine
>sexless >adorational love.


Edgar Krentz <emkrentz@mcs.com>
New Testament, Lutheran School of Theology at Chicago
1100 East 55th St., Chicago, IL 60615
(Voice) Home: 312/947-8105; Off.: 312-753-0752


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