b-greek-digest V1 #853
b-greek-digest Saturday, 9 September 1995 Volume 01 : Number 853
In this issue:
Colossians 1:4-6 parallelism
PSCO Meeting, 26 Sept
Re: viewing Greek texts and on-line LSJ with Netscape
MACHEN?GREEK TO DEAF PEOP
From: Mari Olsen <email@example.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:14:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: help messages
I think for some lists a HELP message elicits an automatic response
with a FAQ and instructions for subscribe, unsubscribe. So the
questioner isn't intentionally enigmatic; rather, he's not wanting to
burden the list with 'housekeeping' questions.
Mari Broman Olsen
Department of Linguistics
2016 Sheridan Road
Evanston, IL 60208
From: Eric Weiss <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 95 14:56:39 -24000
Subject: Colossians 1:4-6 parallelism
thn PISTIN umwn EN CHRISTW IHSOU
kai thn AGAPHN hn exete EIS PANTAS TOUS AGIOUS ...
.. kaqws kai en panti tw kosmw [to euaggelion] estin
kaqws kai en umin ...
Is there parallelism here, not just
en panti tw kosmw
but also having to do with the effects/results/fruit of the
gospel itself, i.e.:
A1) faith in union with or toward Christ = A2) the
increasing of the gospel
B1) love for the saints = B2) the gospel bearing fruit ("the
fruit of the spirit is love, ...")
A1) PISTIN ... EN CHRISTW IHSOU
B1) kai ... AGAPHN ... EIS PANTAS TOUS AGIOUS ...
A2) kai AUXANOMENON
From: Robert Kraft <email@example.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 15:09:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: PSCO Meeting, 26 Sept
[Feel free to cross-post as appropriate]
PHILADELPHIA SEMINAR ON CHRISTIAN ORIGINS
in its 33rd year
an Interdisciplinary Humanities Seminar
under the auspices of the
UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA
Department of Religious Studies
Box 36 College Hall, Philadelphia 19104
TOPIC FOR 1995-96: CONTEMPORARY "HISTORICAL JESUS" RESEARCH
John Reumann (Lutheran Theological Seminary)
David Efroymson (La Salle University)
Secretaries (both @ccat.sas.upenn.edu):
Brad Kirkegaard (University of Pennsylvania) bkirkega@=
Beth Pollard Lisi (University of Pennsylvania) elisi@=
Coordinator: Robert Kraft (University of Pennsylvania: CJS)
THE FIRST MEETING OF 1995-96 will be held on Tuesday, September 26, from
7-9 pm in the Conference Room (#121) on the first floor of the Van Pelt
Library at the University of Pennsylvania. Persons wishing to dine with
other seminar participants prior to the meeting should meet at 6 pm at
Duhring Wing (just north of the small parking lot behind Irvine
Auditorium, 34th and Spruce Streets). We normally eat at the Food Court
in the building at 3401 Walnut Street.
John Reumann: "The Historical Jesus Today" -- The State of the Question;
David Efroymson: "E. P. Sanders' Jesus" (See E. P. Sanders, <t>The
Historical Figure of Jesus</>. London/NY: Penguin, 1993)
Nov. 21 (Tuesday after SBL): being negotiated
Jan. 25 (Thursday): Howard Kee
March (?): date and presenter being negotiated
April 18 (Thursday): Ross Kraemer
From: "Edgar M. Krentz" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 15:16:16 -0600
Subject: Re: viewing Greek texts and on-line LSJ with Netscape
Gregory Crane recently posted a message to the Classics List that called
attention to " viewing Greek texts and on-line LSJ with Netscape." I asked
for permission to forward it to the b-greek list. I have not yet tried this
out, but hope to in the near future. Some of you might also be interested
in LSJ on line.
>On Tuesday, September 5, you posted the above file to
>>email@example.com. I found this very interesting and am eager to
>>experiment with it.
>Could I have your permission to forward your communication to the list
>>B-Greek@virginia.edu? I think many of the subscribers to that list would be
>>interested in the information, but not subscribe to the classics list.
>Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 10:42:05 -0400
>From: Greg Crane <firstname.lastname@example.org>
>To: email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org
>Subject: Re: viewing Greek texts and on-line LSJ with Netscape
>by all means, please do forward it. we really want people to check this
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 14:01:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Linda Wright <email@example.com>
Subject: viewing Greek texts and on-line LSJ with Netscape (fwd)
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Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 14:44:01 -0400
From: Greg Crane <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: viewing Greek texts and on-line LSJ with Netscape
Some people have inquired about taking a look at the on-line LSJ in its
current, very *rough*, working form. Those of you with Netscape 1.1, Macs
and SMK compatible Greek fonts can play with it. We don't have a decent
workaround to show Greek on Windows Netscape (we would love to hear of one
if anyone has one).
My immediate impression is that the on-line LSJ is *much* easier to read than
the print (no surprise). I suspect that it may even be easier for intermediate
students to use than the Middle Liddell or Little Liddell -- after all,
once you have an article, even a long one, you can use Netscape to find
"Aesch." or "Plat." We would be very interested in feedback both about the
many rough edges remaining in the lexicon and about its usability. Reactions
of both faculty and students would be appreciated.
Most Perseus 2.0 texts are on-line. From the English translations you can
get to the Greek. If you turn on the morphological links button, you can
click on any word and gets its possible morphological analyses. From there,
you can get to LSJ.
Editor in Chief
One of the great advantages of Netscape is that it works with everything --
Macs, Windows, Unix workstations. Its biggest disadvantage for classicists
is probably its inability to deal with Greek in any reasonable way.
We have found a workaround for Macs running Netscape 1.1 and equipped with
an SMK Compatible font.
1) Select the "Options" menu and then go to "Preferences."
2) Under "Fonts and Colors," set your fixed-width font to some SMK
compatible font, e.g. Attika.
This is a real hack -- you will have to change this back or a lot of
your message boxes and such like will show up in Greek, but it at least
allows us to show Greek.
Now, to see a sample of our working copy of the on-line LSJ, try, for
example, the following URL:
If you want to see some Greek text with links first to morphological
analyses of words and then to LSJ, check out the on-line Perseus texts
If you are impatient, you can try, for example, the following URL:
If anyone tries it, I should like to hear reactions, know which fonts you
Edgar Krentz <email@example.com>
New Testament, Lutheran School of Theology at Chicago
Voice: 312-753-0752; FAX: 312-753-0782
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 18:28:22 -0400
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From: Mark Penner <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 02:03:00 GMT
Subject: MACHEN?GREEK TO DEAF PEOP
A lurker shows his face.
I've been on for a couple of weeks, long enough to realize I'll probably
not be contributing much more than questions. I've been teaching (and
re-learning) Greek to Japanese Deaf people at a very small school
(10 students), Sendai Baptist Seminary. I'm interested to know if anyone
out there has taught deaf people Greek, or knows someone who has. I'm
about to finish up the introductory level, and am looking for good
teaching material for the next level. When I was studying 15 years ago,
it was Dana and Mantey, but I imagine there are better, or at least
other approaches out there. Any input?
I used Machen (ancient, yes, but he's the only one who's also
translated into Japanese). I borrowed both English and Japanese
copies from our library for the semester, and wondered if anyone knows
whether Machen is still available. Where? In bookstores? Used
bookstores? Anyone have a copy they want to sell? Let me know. I've
moved from that school, so am needing to get my own copy.
My present job is working with a translation team to put the Bible into
Japanese Sign Language (on video). As "original language consultant,"
I'm the best they have so far, but will probably have tons of questions.
For now, I'll keep it to this--What good commentaries are available on CD
Rom? My study size is severely limited, but I need the resources. Would
a full internet connection make those kinds of resources available?
Right now, I only have e-mail.
Thanks in advance. You seem to be a most gracious and helpful group.
Mark & Mary Esther Penner CBInternational
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