b-greek-digest V1 #853

b-greek-digest           Saturday, 9 September 1995     Volume 01 : Number 853

In this issue:

        help messages
        Colossians 1:4-6 parallelism 
        PSCO Meeting, 26 Sept
        Re:  viewing Greek texts and on-line LSJ with Netscape 


From: Mari Olsen <molsen@astrid.ling.nwu.edu>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:14:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: help messages

I think for some lists a HELP message elicits an automatic response
with a FAQ and instructions for subscribe, unsubscribe.  So the
questioner isn't intentionally enigmatic; rather, he's not wanting to
burden the list with 'housekeeping' questions.

Mari Broman Olsen
Northwestern University
Department of Linguistics
2016 Sheridan Road
Evanston, IL 60208



From: Eric Weiss <eweiss@acf.dhhs.gov>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 95 14:56:39 -24000
Subject: Colossians 1:4-6 parallelism 

Colossians 1:4-6

.. akousantes
kai  thn AGAPHN hn exete EIS PANTAS TOUS AGIOUS ...

.. kaqws kai en panti tw kosmw [to euaggelion] estin
kaqws kai en umin ...

Is there parallelism here, not just

     en panti tw kosmw
     en umi

but also having to do with the effects/results/fruit of the
gospel itself, i.e.:

     A1) faith in union with or toward Christ = A2) the
     increasing of the gospel
     B1) love for the saints = B2) the gospel bearing fruit ("the
     fruit of the spirit is love, ...")



From: Robert Kraft <kraft@ccat.sas.upenn.edu>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 15:09:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: PSCO Meeting, 26 Sept

[Feel free to cross-post as appropriate]

- ---
                           in its 33rd year

                an Interdisciplinary Humanities Seminar
                       under the auspices of the
                      UNIVERSITY OF  PENNSYLVANIA
                    Department of Religious Studies
                Box 36 College Hall, Philadelphia 19104


  John Reumann (Lutheran Theological Seminary)
  David Efroymson (La Salle University)
Secretaries (both @ccat.sas.upenn.edu):
  Brad Kirkegaard (University of Pennsylvania) bkirkega@=
  Beth Pollard Lisi (University of Pennsylvania) elisi@=
Coordinator:  Robert Kraft (University of Pennsylvania: CJS)

THE FIRST MEETING OF 1995-96 will be held on Tuesday, September 26, from 
7-9 pm in the Conference Room (#121) on the first floor of the Van Pelt
Library at the University of Pennsylvania. Persons wishing to dine with
other seminar participants prior to the meeting should meet at 6 pm at
Duhring Wing (just north of the small parking lot behind Irvine
Auditorium, 34th and Spruce Streets). We normally eat at the Food Court 
in the building at 3401 Walnut Street.


John Reumann:  "The Historical Jesus Today" -- The State of the Question; 
     The Issues
David Efroymson:  "E. P. Sanders' Jesus"  (See E. P. Sanders, <t>The 
     Historical Figure of Jesus</>.  London/NY:  Penguin, 1993)

Subsequent Meetings:

Nov. 21 (Tuesday after SBL):  being negotiated
Jan. 25 (Thursday):  Howard Kee
March (?): date and presenter being negotiated
April 18 (Thursday):  Ross Kraemer



From: "Edgar M. Krentz" <emkrentz@mcs.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 15:16:16 -0600
Subject: Re:  viewing Greek texts and on-line LSJ with Netscape 

Gregory Crane recently posted a message to the Classics List that called
attention to " viewing Greek texts and on-line LSJ with Netscape." I asked
for permission to forward it to the b-greek list. I have not yet tried this
out, but hope to in the near future. Some of you might also be interested
in LSJ on line.

>On Tuesday, September 5, you posted the above file to
>>classics@u.washington.edu. I found this very interesting and am eager to
>>experiment with it.

>Could I have your permission to forward your communication to the list
>>B-Greek@virginia.edu? I think many of the subscribers to that list would be
>>interested in the information, but not subscribe to the classics list.

Cordially yours,
Ed Krentz

>Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 10:42:05 -0400
>From: Greg Crane <gcrane@perseus.tufts.edu>
>To: emkrentz@mcs.com, gcrane@perseus.tufts.edu
>Subject: Re:  viewing Greek texts and on-line LSJ with Netscape
>by all means, please do forward it. we really want people to check this
>thing out!

Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 14:01:43 -0700 (PDT)
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From: Linda Wright <lwright@cac.washington.edu>
To: classics@u.washington.edu
Subject: viewing Greek texts and on-line LSJ with Netscape (fwd)
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- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 1995 14:44:01 -0400
From: Greg Crane <gcrane@perseus.tufts.edu>
To: classics@u.washington.edu
Subject: viewing Greek texts and on-line LSJ with Netscape

Some people have inquired about taking a look at the on-line LSJ in its 
current, very *rough*, working form. Those of you with Netscape 1.1, Macs
and SMK compatible Greek fonts can play with it. We don't have a decent
workaround to show Greek on Windows Netscape (we would love to hear of one
if anyone has one).

My immediate impression is that the on-line LSJ is *much* easier to read than
the print (no surprise). I suspect that it may even be easier for intermediate
students to use than the Middle Liddell or Little Liddell -- after all,
once you have an article, even a long one, you can use Netscape to find 
"Aesch." or "Plat." We would be very interested in feedback both about the
many rough edges remaining in the lexicon and about its usability. Reactions
of both faculty and students would be appreciated.

Most Perseus 2.0 texts are on-line. From the English translations you can
get to the Greek. If you turn on the morphological links button, you can
click on any word and gets its possible morphological analyses. From there,
you can get to LSJ.

Greg Crane
Editor in Chief
Perseus Project
Tufts University


One of the great advantages of Netscape is that it works with everything --
Macs, Windows, Unix workstations.  Its biggest disadvantage for classicists
is probably its inability to deal with Greek in any reasonable way.

We have found a workaround for Macs running Netscape 1.1 and equipped with
an SMK Compatible font. 

1) Select the "Options" menu and then go to "Preferences." 

2) Under "Fonts and Colors," set your fixed-width font to some SMK
compatible font, e.g. Attika.

This is a real hack -- you will have to change this back or a lot of
your message boxes and such like will show up in Greek, but it at least
allows us to show Greek.

Now, to see a sample of our working copy of the on-line LSJ, try, for
example, the following URL:


If you want to see some Greek text with links first to morphological
analyses of words and then to LSJ, check out the on-line Perseus texts


If you are impatient, you can try, for example, the following URL:



If anyone tries it, I should like to hear reactions, know which fonts you
used, etc.

Edgar Krentz <emkrentz@mcs.com>
New Testament, Lutheran School of Theology at Chicago
Voice: 312-753-0752; FAX: 312-753-0782


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From: Mark Penner <mark.penner@jemanet.or.jp>
Date: Thu,  7 Sep 1995 02:03:00 GMT

A lurker shows his face.

I've been on for a couple of weeks, long enough to realize I'll probably
not be contributing much more than questions. I've been teaching (and
re-learning) Greek to Japanese Deaf people at a very small school
(10 students), Sendai Baptist Seminary. I'm interested to know if anyone
out there has taught deaf people Greek, or knows someone who has. I'm
about to finish up the introductory level, and am looking for good
teaching material for the next level. When I was studying 15 years ago,
it was Dana and Mantey, but I imagine there are better, or at least
other approaches out there. Any input?

I used Machen (ancient, yes, but he's the only one who's also
translated into Japanese). I borrowed both English and Japanese
copies from our library for the semester, and wondered if anyone knows
whether Machen is still available. Where? In bookstores? Used
bookstores? Anyone have a copy they want to sell? Let me know. I've
moved from that school, so am needing to get my own copy.

My present job is working with a translation team to put the Bible into
Japanese Sign Language (on video). As "original language consultant,"
I'm the best they have so far, but will probably have tons of questions.
For now, I'll keep it to this--What good commentaries are available on CD
Rom? My study size is severely limited, but I need the resources. Would
a full internet connection make those kinds of resources available?
Right now, I only have e-mail.

Thanks in advance.  You seem to be a most gracious and helpful group.

Mark & Mary Esther Penner                        CBInternational
                                                 Tokyo, Japan

 * RM 1.3 02234 * Help stamp out and abolish redundancy!


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