b-greek-digest V1 #876

b-greek-digest           Tuesday, 26 September 1995     Volume 01 : Number 876

In this issue:

        The *new* archive is now set up.
        Re: More questions on Mark 
        wedding garments 
        Re: Archive is set up!
        A TC Question
        Re: Words
        Re: Words
        Re: Words
        Explanation of following post
        Comments on Greek lexicons, updated
        What is the PURPOSE of Life? 
        Re: More questions on Mark 
        Re: Comments on Greek lexicons, updated 
        Re: Comments on Greek lexicons, updated


From: "James K. Tauber" <jtauber@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 18:38:56 +0800 (WST)
Subject: The *new* archive is now set up.

The *new* B-Greek Archive is now setup. You can find it at


James K. Tauber <jtauber@tartarus.uwa.edu.au>         currently at ALS 95
University Computing Services and Centre for Linguistics
University of Western Australia, Perth, AUSTRALIA
http://www.uwa.edu.au/student/jtauber                 finger for PGP key


From: BibAnsMan@aol.com
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 07:59:12 -0400
Subject: Re: More questions on Mark 

On 9-26-95 06:37:05 EDT Carl W. Conrad writes,

<<I don't have the tools for searching texts of EGW EIMI outside of John
ready to hand, but I think it appears once (and perhaps in more than one
gospel) in Jesus' response to Caiaphas at the Sanhedrin trial.>>

I have studied "ego eimi" in the past and have found it fascinating.  "ego
eimi" is never used without a predicate, prepositional phrase, or other
implied parts from previous clauses by anyone except Jesus in the N.T.  I
have made a thorough search several times using Logos Research System's logos
2.0 program.  "ego eimi" appears 48 times in the New Testament.  It appears
referring to Jesus without predicate, preposition, or implied modifiers in
Matthew 14:27; 26:22, 25; Mark 6:50; 13:6; 14:62; Luke 21:8; 22:70; 24:39;
John 4:26; 6:20; 8:24, 28, 58; 9:9; 13:19; 18:5, 6, 8.  Outside of these
references there is always a prepositional phrase attached or a predicate
except in the case of Acts 26:29 where there is clearly a carryover from the
previous clause implied in Greek.

I believe that in the vast majority of these references above, Jesus was
declaring Himself to be the One in Exodus 3:14, "I am who I am."  At the very
least, those who oppose this would have to admit that John and other writers
come awfully close to heresy in the implications of "ego eimi" without the
predicate.  Did they make a mistake?  I think not.  They meant to write "ego
eimi" without the predicate in many constructions reminds one of Exodus 3:14.
 "ego eimi" is the equivalent Greek phrase to "YHWH" in the Old Testament.

Interesting to note is the context of John's writings where Jesus constantly
refers to Himself with "ego eimi" and a predicate in John 6:35, 41; 8:12, 18;
10:7, 11; 11:25; 14:6; 15:1; Revelation 1:8, 17; 2:23; 21:6; 22:16.  Did
anyone else in the entire Scriptures refer to Himself in this way?  No.  Only
the One who says, "ego eimi" is able to speak of Himself in this way.

Jim McGuire
Professor at Logos Bible Institute
13248 Roscoe Blvd.
Sun Valley, CA  91352


From: James Kuiper <kuiper@mayo.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 95 08:50:18 CDT
Subject: wedding garments 

A friend of mine recently asked about the wedding garments(enduma gamou)
mentioned in Matt 22:11-12.  His NIV Study Bible says something to the effect
that there is no historical evidence that wedding clothes were given to
guests but that it seems reasonable to speculate that this was the custom.

My friend does not doubt this speculation and neither do I but I couldn't find
any reference to this custom in any of my limited reference works.  Specific-
ally, my BAG lexicon is well out of date.

Has anyone found the term "wedding garments" in extra-Biblical literature.
Can anyone shed light on the custom of providing said garments to wedding


James Kuiper


From: Bart Ehrman <behrman@email.unc.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:22:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Words

   Could somebody tell me how many words there are in the NT?  (A count
for Nestle-Aland 27th, TR, or even KJV: *anything* will do, so long as
it's identified). 

   Many thanks,
- -- Bart D. Ehrman, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill


From: Russ Quinn <RDQUINN@vm.samford.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 95 09:07:45 CDT
Subject: [none]

unsubscribe b-greek Russ Quinn


From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 09:45:40 -0500
Subject: Re: 

At 9:07 AM 9/26/95, Russ Quinn wrote:
>unsubscribe b-greek Russ Quinn

You're going about it the wrong way, although unintentionally. Addressing
an "unsubscribe" request to the address that is meant for discussion simply
sends that message to every subscriber, not to the list-owner or
listserver. The following message was sent everyone at the outset:

>>To unsubscribe from this list write


>>with "unsubscribe b-greek" as your message content.  For other
>>automated services write to the above address with the message content

>>For further information, you can write the owner of the list at


I hope this will help you get unsubscribed.


Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University
One Brookings Drive, St. Louis, MO, USA 63130
(314) 935-4018
cwconrad@artsci.wustl.edu  OR cwc@oui.com
WWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/


From: Travis Bauer <bauer@acc.jc.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 10:06:33 -35900
Subject: Re: Archive is set up!

	I checked out the archive too.  I like it and added it to my homepage.

  /   Travis Bauer    / If all the world's philosophers were laid   /
/ Jamestown College / end to end, would they reach a conclusion?  /
- -----------------------------------------------------------------


From: Mark O'Brien <Mark_O'Brien@dts.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 95 09:49:19 CST
Subject: A TC Question

I have been doing a little work lately in trying to understand the
Independent Text-type theory for evaluating textual problems. 
Although I understand what Harry Sturz is doing with keeping the
text-types independent and of equal value, and his pushing back of the 
Byzantine type to a much earlier and respectable date, I am curious
as to exactly what he does with internal evidence in his evaluations.
How does he deal with conflations or readings that appear to be 
mixtures?  Perhaps the simplest answer is that he doesn't consider
them to be conflations or mixtures, but I was interested in seeing
whether any of you NTTC folks had any insights into the strengths and
weaknesses of this method.  Thanks.

Mark O'Brien
- ----
"I'm going somewhere where the unexceptional are not expected to excel beyond
all expectations." -- Piglet


From: Vincent Broman <broman@np.nosc.mil>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 95 08:34:10 PDT
Subject: Re: Words

Count of words in the NT:

W-H			137721
NA26			138029
Byzantine Robinson	140255
Scrivener		140608
Stephanus 1550		140677

Vincent Broman,  code 786 Bayside                        Email: broman@nosc.mil
Naval Command Control and Ocean Surveillance Center, RDT&E Div.
San Diego, CA  92152-6147,  USA                          Phone: +1 619 553 1641


From: Vincent Broman <broman@np.nosc.mil>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 95 09:15:29 PDT
Subject: Re: Words

An update...
The previous counts included bracketed words, so I recounted after
ommitting such bracketed material.  Also, I didn't get some formatting cruft
out of Westcott-Hort, so I cleaned it up and recounted it.

Count of words in the NT:

W-H, omit bracketed	136484
NA26, omit bracketed	136866
W-H, include bracketed	137675      (fixed)
NA26, include bracketed 138029
Byzantine-Robinson	140255
Scrivener		140608
Stephanus 1550		140677

That's a difference in length of 4193 words between the longest
and the shortest text, about 242 full verses worth.

Vincent Broman,  code 786 Bayside                        Email: broman@nosc.mil
Naval Command Control and Ocean Surveillance Center, RDT&E Div.
San Diego, CA  92152-6147,  USA                          Phone: +1 619 553 1641


From: D Mealand <ewnt05@castle.ed.ac.uk>
Date: 26 Sep 95  17:52:32 BST
Subject: Re: Words

- --- Forwarded message:

Date:     26 Sep 95  16:28:40 BST
From:     D Mealand <ewnt05@castle.ed.ac.uk>
Subject:  Re: Words
To:       Bart Ehrman <behrman@email.unc.edu>
In-reply-to:Your message <Pine.A32.3.91.950926101938.139230A-100000@login1.isis.unc.edu>
Status:   RO

Kenny A. (1986) A Stylometric Study of the New Testament (Oxford:
he has several different counts plus the explanation that some wrds might be
single double or triple so there is no absolute answer

e.g.  on p. 15 he says how do you count  Simon Bar Jonah

Morgenthaler did a hand count on an old Nestle text, Davison
used the Friberg and Friberg e-version of UBS for his figures.
    138,019 for Davison using Friberg & Friberg    acc. Kenny  p.14

D used UBS text from them.

In haste

David M.

- --- End of forwarded message

David L. Mealand            *    E-mail: David.Mealand@ed.ac.uk
University of Edinburgh     *    Office Fax: (+44)-131-650-6579
Scotland, U.K.  EH1 2LX     *    Office tel.:(+44)-131-650-8917 or 8921


From: Edward Hobbs <EHOBBS@wellesley.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:44:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Explanation of following post

Dear Colleagues,
	Vincent Broman most helpfully saved and put together many postings on 
Greek lexica, grammars. etc., into an FAQ available at his site.  Since much of 
this material was written by the undersigned (id est, me), I have put all my 
comments on lexica together, edited and updated everything, and included two 
additional comments by Edgar Krentz.  This new version will be posted to the 
entire List as soon as this message is sent, and perhaps Vincent Broman will 
include it in his FAQ.
	When I have a little more time, I will try to put together my comments 
on grammars similarly.
	Naturally, this is not for senior scholars, who know all of this 
already (or disagree with it!); but budding scholars seem to ask about these 
matters with some regularity.

Edward C. Hobbs


From: Edward Hobbs <EHOBBS@wellesley.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:45:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Comments on Greek lexicons, updated

                      EDWARD C. HOBBS on GREEK LEXICA

     ( I'm a long-time lexicon addict, owning every kind and type and
example, studying them assiduously, and criticizing them constantly.  I own
two, or even three, of almost all of these, so I'll be sure to have one
whether I'm in either of my offices or in my study.)

                           ---Classical Greek---

     The (financially) bad news is that really there is no choice for 
Classical Greek except the *only* current one: "New (9th) Edition" of

          _A Greek-English Lexicon_ compiled by Henry George Liddell
     and Robert Scott.  Revised and augmented throughout by Sir Henry
     Stuart Jones, with the assistance of Roderick McKenzie and with
     the co-operation of many scholars.  With a supplement, 1968,
     edited by E. A. Barber.  Oxford, at the Clarendon Press, 1968.
          [List price, $135]

     Oxford has announced a partially-new version of the 9th Edition with a
completely revised supplement (2378 total pp.)  The revised supplement by
Glare will also be available separately (288 pp.)  The new printing was
promised for June 1995; as of October 1995, it has been re-scheduled for
publication in March 1996.  The good news is that the price has been
dropped $10, to $125; even better news is that they have reinstated the
pre-publication offer-- order before January 31, 1996, and it will cost
only $100!  (All prices plus $3.50 shipping.)  The new version:

          _A Greek-English Lexicon: Ninth Edition with Revised
     Supplement_ compiled by Henry George Liddell and Robert Scott. 
     Revised and augmented throughout by Sir Henry Stuart Jones, with
     the assistance of Roderick McKenzie and with the co-operation of
     many scholars.  Supplement edited by P. G. W. Glare.  Oxford, at
     the Clarendon Press, 1996.
          [List price, $125]       [Supplement separately, $65]

     WARNING:  Since both Liddell and Scott died over a century ago, the
"Intermediate" [$35] and the "Abridged" [$30] Liddell-Scott, which fit in a
book-bag, are in fact not based on the L-S-J-M, but are over a century old
(1888 or 1889), based on the 7th ed. published in 1883 (usually and
incorrectly cited as 1882, based on the Preface date).  Since there is no
choice, one takes what one can get.  So either you shell out $135/$125 and
be happy, or you pay $35 (Intermediate, 914 pp.) or $30 (Abridged, 808 pp.)
and curse yourself every time you encounter the inadequacies AND the
antiquities of the latter.  (Incidentally, "Liddell" is pronounced
"LID-'l", as though spelled "Liddle", never Lid-DELL.  He was quite
insistent on it!  His daughter Alice was the Alice of "Alice in

     There is a Langenscheidt "pocket" edition, commended by Carl Conrad. 
I do not possess it myself, but I trust Carl's judgment.

                         ---New Testament Greek---

     There is still only one adequate choice:

     Walter Bauer, _A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other
Early Christian Literature_; translated into English by William F. Arndt
and F. Wilbur Gingrich from 4th edition; "Second Edition [1979], revised
and augmented by F. Wilbur Gingrich and Frederick W. Danker from Walter
Bauer's 5th edition, 1958."  University of Chicago Press; also available
from Zondervan.     [About $55]

     Unhappily, all three translators (Arndt, Gingrich, and Danker, the
latter two being friends of mine) chose to "revise" and to "augment" in
addition to translating; they are none of them any match for Bauer in
lexicography, with the consequences quite evident.  Often they simply
attack Bauer's entries, instead of translating them!  (See, as a really
hilarious example, "skenepoios".)  The absurd "causal eis," invented by J.
R. Mantey to support his fundamentalist-Baptist doctrine of John's baptism
(a matter of "translation driven by theology", as Gary Brower called it in
one of his postings!), was given a full five-line special entry in the 1st
ed. by Arndt & Gingrich; at least it was reduced in the 2nd ed. to three
lines, and credited solely to Julius Mantey (who obviously couldn't read
non-biblical Greek very well, as the great Greek scholar Ralph Marcus
carefully pointed out in two separate articles, despite Mantey's co-writing
a "grammar").  The result is that, although it is the best lexicon of the
Greek New Testament available in English, it still suffers from the
additions of its three translators.

     The more recent (6th) edition of Bauer (edited by Kurt and Barbara
Aland, 1988) is better; but it is in German, with no English translation
available for non-readers of German.

     [Footnote on Bauer-in-German:]  Even Bauer was guilty of "translation
driven by male-chauvinism" at times, the most incredible example being the
entry for "Junias".  This completely non-existent name is listed by Bauer
with the fanciful guess that it must have been a nickname for `Junianus',
and a statement that the purely theoretical possibility that the name is
`Junia' (a very common woman's name) is rendered impossible by the context! 
The "impossible" is that Paul's remarkable lady-relative Junia was an
apostle!  Horrors!  SURELY Phoebe was no deacon (a term Paul applies to
himself), and Junia was no apostle (a term Paul applies to himself)!  How
can a WOMAN have been chosen by God for REAL ministry?  Thank God, the NRSV
and a few other recent translations have now restored Junia to her place in
the apostolate, where even the King James Version had her.
     Even the great Bauer had his blindnesses!

- -------
     	[Additional comments by Edgar Krentz concerning forthcoming revision
                    by Danker of the A-G-D translation of Bauer:]

     Fred Danker delivered the completed manuscript of the third edition to
     the University of Chicago Press in early April. (Can one call
     something on a hard disk a manuscript?)  I called Fred Danker about
     it; he tells me the target date for its appearance in print is the
     Society of Biblical Literature meeting in 1996, i.e. approximately
     Thanksgiving of that year.  I no longer have students purchase the 2nd
     edition because that date is close.  If you want more accurate
     information, you might drop a note to Prof. Frederick W. Danker, 3438
     Russell Ave., St. Louis, MO 63104. Tel.: 314-772-5757.
- -------

     Wilbur Gingrich once prepared a small edition (_Shorter Lexicon of the
Greek New Testament_); a 2nd edition, with Fred Danker, came out in 1983,
and costs $30 for 221 pp.  It is SO small and costs so much that I consider
it not worth the bother.   Some like it for portability.  I tried using it
with students for a few years after it came out, but it was SO brief, had
so few "helps", and cost such a high proportion of the complete B-AG, that
I switched to requiring B-AG (later B-AGD).

     If I were to recommend a "portable" lexicon for New Testament Greek,
I'd try for Abbott-Smith, should it be still available and at a reasonable
price.  _A Manual Greek Lexicon of the New Testament_ by G. Abbott-Smith (a
Canadian!).  This came out in 1921, 1923, and 1937 (editions 1 through 3),
and has been reprinted frequently since then, by T. & T. Clark (Edinburgh). 
I'm not sure if it is still in print, nor at what price.  But it was beyond
question the lexicon of choice prior to the appearance of Bauer in English;
I used it with my classes in those pre-1957 years.  It includes quite a bit
of information from the papyri, it gives many references to use of words in
LXX with the original Hebrew word (even pointed!) behind the Greek term or
word or usage, and includes a plethora of passages cited.  It also gives
etymologies (dangerous though that is?).

     To supplement Carl Conrad's brief warning on the Newman lexicon
published by the United Bible Societies:  The English-speaking Bible
Societies decided to have a small English lexicon bound with some printings
of UBS's _The Greek New Testament_, and Barclay M. Newman, Jr., got the job
(with the advice of, among others, my old roommate Erroll Rhodes).  This
lexicon is deceptive, misleading the very persons who use it -- beginners. 
It gives, in the main, the RSV translations of each Greek word.  If one
wants that, one can read an English New Testament, to wit, the RSV!.  It
isn't frightful, but since it is a poor lexicon on the whole, it is largely
useless.  Too bas that it's the only one bound with the UBS _Greek New

     The Louw & Nida lexicon is often mentioned.
          _Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament based on
     Semantic Domains_ edited by Johannes P. Louw and Eugene A. Nida,
     2 volumes; United Bible Societies [available through American
     Bible Society].  First Edition 1988; Second Edition, 1989.  Price
     is $35 for two-volume set-- would probably be $80-100 from any
     other publisher.
          While it does not replace the need for Liddell-Scott-Jones nor
for Bauer, it fills a real gap among lexica.  It has a rather specialized
use.  Not only is it organized "semantically," which requires using the
index volume constantly to discover where the desired word is to be found,
but it is primarily written for the use of translators of the New Testament
into languages not yet having Bibles in the vernacular.  It is very
"translation-oriented," which isn't usually what a researcher wants or
needs (unless one is a translator).
     (Incidentally, and happily, they ALWAYS refer to Bauer's lexicon
     as "Bauer's lexicon" or "Bauer's dictionary"; they initially
     mention it "as translated and revised by Gingrich and Danker". 
     Since no one refers to _Crime and Punishment_ as written by
     Constance Garnett, I don't understand why Americans like to refer
     to Bauer's lexicon as though it were written by its translators.)
The quickest way to see its virtues is to read their "Introduction" (pp.
vi-xx, same in both 1st and 2nd editions), and then to sample one article
in Vol. 1 and one in Vol. 2.

- -------
     [Additional comments by Edgar Krentz concerning Louw & Nida:]

     Louw & Nida is difficult for a beginning student to use. The more
     acquaintance one has with ancient Greek literature beyond the Greek
     Bible, the more intelligently one can use it. It is *no substitute*
     for a traditional, alphabetically arranged lexicon. I would probably
     elect to have students use the old Abbott-Smith lexicon (T & T Clark)
     as a first lexicon, and send them to the library to use B-AGD, 2nd ed.
- -------

                           ---Patristic Greek---

     Even when you have paid a small fortune for the LSJM, you will not
have a lexicon for the Church Fathers (Patristics), since that body of
literature was deliberately excluded from it.  

     The only serious option is: G. W. H. Lampe, _A Patristic Greek
Lexicon_, Oxford, at the Clarendon Press, 1961-1968.  No longer listed in
Oxford's catalogs, but still in print.  It is hideously expensive at $285,
hence is the only important lexicon of ancient Greek which I do not own;
I jog to the library when I need it.

                         ---"Septuagint" Greek---

     In LSJM, the LXX is given fairly short shrift, with the result that
many students find the older 8th edition (1897) better for LXX.  But, in
fact, there is NO really good lexicon yet for the LXX.  The reason is
pretty obvious: It is a translated collection, and one is often left
wondering whether to give the meaning of the Hebrew (or Aramaic) original
behind a word, or to give the (supposed) meaning in the head(s) of the
translator(s) based on other Hellenistic usage.  The Deutsche
Bibelgesellschaft has such a lexicon under way, though it is somewhat
sketchy, doing little of what such a lexicon should do (perhaps for the
reasons I outlined above).  The A-I volume (paperback), which came out in
1992, is $24 plus handling charge and tax.  It has 217 pages, plus
introduction.  The rest is planned for release by Christmas of 1995.
          _A Greek-English Lexicon of the Septuagint_,
     compiled by J. Lust, E. Eynikel, and K. Hauspie, with the
     collaboration of G. Chamberlain.

                         ---"Parsing Lexicons"---

     Concerning inflected-forms dictionaries:  The antique Liddell-Scott
Abridged  (over a century old, which should have been replaced decades ago
but hasn't been) parses forms which an English schoolboy reading Xenophon
et alia in "Public" School might have trouble with.  It covers few of the
forms New Testament readers are likely to find daunting.
     The old "Analytical Greek Lexicon" covered almost all forms in the New
Testament, but was filled with so many hundreds of errors that it was worse
than nothing, since the novice cannot spot these errors.  However, FEAR
NOT!  The dreadful 1852 Analytical Lexicon (1852, despite "1970" in
reprint!) was "corrected and revised" by Harold K. Moulton, published by
Bagster [original publisher of 1852 edition!] in 1977, in London, and in
1978 in the USA by Zondervan. Title: _The Analytical Greek Lexicon
Revised_: 1978 Edition.  Harold is the son of James Hope Moulton, and
grandson of W. F. Moulton, two great Greek grammarians.  This edition works
from photos of the early printing, with errors and misprints corrected, and
then has an addendum giving the forms which were omitted from the original
Bagster's Lexicon.  Wesley J. Perschbacher has also edited a corrected and
revised version of the 1852 edition: _The New Analytical Greek Lexicon_,
published by Hendrickson in 1990.  This version is newly type-set, with a
slightly better appearance on the page.
     Max Zerwick, S.J., of the Biblicum in Rome published his _Analysis
Philologica Novi Testamenti Graeci_ at the Pontifical Biblical Institute in
1953; I have the 3rd ed., 1966.  It goes through the New Testament verse by
verse, parsing odd forms, explaining the grammatical structures, solving
puzzles (Zerwick's solutions, of course), with references to his useful but
brief grammar.  It's in Latin, but for those who read only English and want
to learn Greek, Mary Grosvenor made a translation (also "revised and
adapted") in two volumes, 1974 (through Acts) and 1979 (Romans through
Apocalypse), titled _An Analysis of the Greek New Testament_.  Later came
out in a single volume; very handy, small format.
     A similar help, though much more "written down" to the beginner, a bit
patronizing, and uncomfortably protestant-conservative, is the Cleon Rogers
translation of Fritz Rienecker's _Sprachlicher Schluessel zum Greek New
Testament_: _Linguistic Key to the Greek New Testament_ (1976, 1980;
perhaps later editions), issued by Zondervan.  Also small, handy format.
     Sakae Kubo produced a nifty vocabulary guide for rapid reading of the
Greek New Testament: _A Reader's Greek-English Lexicon of the New
Testament_ (1967 through 1975, when a "beginner's guide" was added). 
Zondervan. It gives many helpful frequency tables, verb charts, inflection
charts, in addition to its main job: Going through the Greek New Testament
chapter by chapter, listing every word which occurs fewer than 5 times in
that book.  He assumes you know the 301 words occurring more than 50 times
in the Greek New Testament (he gives a list), then lists all words in the
book-in-hand (e.g., Romans) occurring more than 5 times in that book but
less than 50 in the whole New Testament.  One needs to know these to use
the volume for rapid-reading.  Then the infrequent words are given, with
quickie translations, verse by verse.  A VERY helpful tool for novices.  He
also gives a list of unusual or hard-to-spot forms, actually an abridgement
of the long list in Abbott-Smith's Manual Greek Lexicon.
     Finally, a book doing the same thing as the Analytical Lexicon, except
that it is arranged in the order the words occur in the New Testament
(i..e., one starts reading Matthew, and it parses every word in order (with
some high-frequency exceptions):  Nathan E. Han, _A Parsing Guide to the
Greek New Testament_, Herald Press, 1971.  It was printed from typed copy,
tolerably readable (but could be better).  


From: Neil124@aol.com
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 14:11:16 -0400
Subject: What is the PURPOSE of Life? 

     The question of why we are living on this earth and what our purpose is
here is perhaps the most profound question one can ask.  In an article I read
in The  Living Pulpit entitled, "What is the Purpose of Life?", John
provides an interesting answer. 

     Macquarrie points out that we all have purposes we work at day by day.
We may even have an overall purpose that embraces and coordinates all the
little purposes.   But Macquarrie shows there is an even vaster purpose
behind human aspirations and states that "God has a purpose for the whole
creation, a purpose that gathers up, purifies and deepens all of our finite
purposes.  Jesus Christ believed that there is such a purpose and called it
the `Kingdom of God.'"

     He also makes clear that God is not a mathematician whose intention was
to create a mechanized universe or an overwhelming esthetic creation.  On the
contrary, Macquarrie says, "God is a God of love, whose purpose in creation
was not to bring into being a fascinatingly beautiful universe, but to be
confronted with an `other' who could respond to love with love, who could
live in communion."

     Does anyone have any thoughts about Macquarrie's view on the purpose of
Life?   I should mention that you can get an electronic summary of this
article or information about The Living Pulpit by sending e-mail to
"Livpulpit@AOL.com"  Any ideas on the subject?



From: pandw@atlanta.com
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 15:26:17 -0400
Subject: [none]

unsubscribe b-greek pandw@atlanta.com


From: Bruce Terry <terry@bible.acu.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 13:19:36 CST
Subject: Re: More questions on Mark 

On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Jim McGuire wrote:

> "ego eimi" is the equivalent Greek phrase to "YHWH" in the Old Testament.

Apparently you missed the discussion earlier this year in which it was pointed
out that the LXX of Ex. 3:14 has hO WN used alone of God rather than EGW EIMI. 
First it says EGW EIMI hO WN "I am the Being" and then it says hO WN
APESTALKEN ME PROS hUMAS "The Being sent me to you."  However, this is not the
equivalent of Yahweh; that in verse 15 is KURIOS.

Bruce Terry                            E-MAIL: terry@bible.acu.edu
Box 8426, ACU Station		       Phone:  915/674-3759
Abilene, Texas 79699		       Fax:    915/674-3769


From: William Wick <chaplain@norwich.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 16:24:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [none]

unsubscribe b-greek


From: Bruce Terry <terry@bible.acu.edu>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 15:38:23 CST
Subject: Re: Comments on Greek lexicons, updated 

On Tue, 26 Sep 1995, Edward Hobbs wrote:

>Subject: Comments on Greek lexicons, updated

Thanks for the information on Greek Lexicons.  It is good and useful.  I would
really like to read your opinion on the now out-dated, but right priced in
reprint, Thayers.

>     Finally, a book doing the same thing as the Analytical Lexicon, except
>that it is arranged in the order the words occur in the New Testament
>(i..e., one starts reading Matthew, and it parses every word in order (with
>some high-frequency exceptions):  Nathan E. Han, _A Parsing Guide to the
>Greek New Testament_, Herald Press, 1971.  It was printed from typed copy,
>tolerably readable (but could be better).  

I've used Han in the past to advantage; however, I have documented about 150
errors and omissions.  That's only about one every three pages.  Is that
acceptable?  Note that this only parses verbs.

Bruce Terry                            E-MAIL: terry@bible.acu.edu
Box 8426, ACU Station		       Phone:  915/674-3759
Abilene, Texas 79699		       Fax:    915/674-3769


From: Vincent Broman <broman@np.nosc.mil>
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 95 14:33:14 PDT
Subject: Re: Comments on Greek lexicons, updated

Thanks, Professor Hobbes.  The FAQ on my machine has been updated with
the posted material replacing most of the previous entries by EH.
I also added the recent mention of the Perseus Project copy of LSJ.


Vincent Broman,  code 786 Bayside                        Email: broman@nosc.mil
Naval Command Control and Ocean Surveillance Center, RDT&E Div.
San Diego, CA  92152-6147,  USA                          Phone: +1 619 553 1641


End of b-greek-digest V1 #876


To unsubscribe from this list write


with "unsubscribe b-greek-digest" as your message content.  For other
automated services write to the above address with the message content

For further information, you can write the owner of the list at


You can send mail to the entire list via the address: