b-greek-digest V1 #883

b-greek-digest             Monday, 2 October 1995       Volume 01 : Number 883

In this issue:

        Re: Classical Greek 
        Re: PISTIS in Romans 1, yet 
        ROMANS 3:29-31 


From: Scott Walters <swalters@sunstroke.sdsu.edu>
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 18:28:28 -0700 (PDT)
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From: BBezdek@aol.com
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 22:27:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Classical Greek 

   I very much appreciate the contribution of those scholars on this list who
are much wider studied than just the Biblical Literature (I am,
unfortunately, not one of them).  Their comments broaden the view when
members tend to get focused on a particular construction that might support a
particular doctrinal position. 

Thank you.

Byron T. Bezdek
Lisbon, Ohio


From: BBezdek@aol.com
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 22:28:16 -0400
Subject: Re: PISTIS in Romans 1, yet 

In a message dated 95-09-30 09:18:50 EDT, drmills@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:

>Eric Weiss replied to my question about EK PISTEWS EIS PISTIN saying
>that it means "by (means of) faith and faith alone" where EIS PISTIN 
>acts as an intensifier.  It appears that this rendering modifies
>Jim McGuire clarified his view saying EK PISTEWS is an ablative of source
>apparently modifying APOKALUPTETAI.  If I understood him correctly, he
>says that God's righteousness is revealed as one believer declares the
>good news to others who in turn believe. 
>The first view is good reformation theology. The second is consistent 
>with Romans 10:14-17 as well as 1:16.  Which is the theme of Paul's

   How about "from faithfulness into faithfulness," meaning that God's
faithfulness produced our faithfulness.
 I think this is in line with the theme of the epistle.


From: JClar100@aol.com
Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 23:16:58 -0400
Subject: ROMANS 3:29-31 

1)  Suggested translation --

     29)  "Is God the God of the Jews only?"

     30)  "Indeed there is one God who will justify circumcision by faith and
                         uncircumcision through faith."

     31)  "Do we not render the law ineffective through faith?  By no means.
 On the                      contrary, we establish the law."

2)  v. 30,31  -- Is there any technical difference in the use of the
prepositions EK and DIA?  What's the diference between "from" or "out of" and

3)  v. 30,31  -- Does PISTEWS translate into "human faith" or "God's
reliability?"  Strictly from the word usage and meaning is there any way to
tell the difference?  Does "faith" here indicate "God's trustiworthiness" to

4)  v. 31 -- Is there any way from the Greek construction to determine
whether Paul means  by NOMON the "law of Moses" or "moral law?"  These are
two distinct possibilities.  Which one is the more likely?  Is it the the ten
commandments which are rendered ineffective or is it the "moral law" which is
nullified?  Does moral law transcned the law of Moses and thus carry a higher
quality?  Or neither?

5)  Is there a better English word with which to translate DIAKAIWSEI instead
of "make righteous" or "justify?"  These technical terms are like jargon to
so many people.  What words would be better for communication to the



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