b-greek-digest V1 #920

b-greek-digest           Saturday, 21 October 1995     Volume 01 : Number 920

In this issue:

        Re: ethical considerations 
        Re: ethical considerations
        Re: 2 Tim 2:15 


From: KevLAnder@aol.com
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 21:25:11 -0400
Subject: Re: ethical considerations 

In a message dated 95-10-20 16:07:33 EDT, you write:

>Furthermore, since the ideas that are posted here have not gone through
>the editing process that publication requires, I think that B-Greek
>ought to be viewed as "personal communication" for ethical purposes.
>So, I think that permission should be required.  I know that I certainly
>would not want my half-baked ideas cited (unless I actually published them).

For the life of me, I cannot figure out how B-Greek could possibly be
regarded as "personal communication" (at least if by "personal" something
like "personal correspondence" is meant). B-Greek is a PUBLIC forum of sorts,
since contributors for the most part have no idea of who all will be reading
their messages. If one is concerned about the "ownership" or "proprietorship"
of a particular idea or expression, then perhaps that is something that
should be reserved for copyrighted publication instead of dissemination on
B-Greek. When I read a message on B-Greek, it is not as though I were opening
up someone else's mail. Rather, it is like receiving a newsletter; and I
cannot see how copying and sharing that "newsletter" with someone else (even
without the author's permission) could possibly be construed as unethical or
offensive. Of course, I think it is to be expected by the dictates of
courtesy and common sense that one should clearly give credit to the author
of a particular post (e.g., by copying the post in full without any
redaction). But I believe that if someone does not want something he or she
has written to be absorbed into someone else's pool of knowledge, which they
in turn share with others, then perhaps he or she should simply not post his
or her thoughts on B-Greek. Such intermingling of pools of knowledge is at
the very heart of what B-Greek is all about!

Anyway, that is my opinion on the matter. But I have one final pointless
point: I get enough e-mail without having people send me requests for usage
of my posts in some fashion or other (of course, I do not intend to be so
haughty as to think that any of my posts would generate that many requests,
but this may well be true for other more prestigious contributors to


From: "Edgar M. Krentz" <emkrentz@mcs.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 21:38:12 -0500
Subject: Re: ethical considerations

>Hello, all.
>I have a question, one that may have already been covered.  Several times over
>the past few months I've wanted to take messages from this group and share them
>with other people.  I'm wondering: are there some ethical guidelines regarding
>use of these messages outside the group?
>To wit: we once had a wonderful and enlightening (IMHO) discussion of Secret
>Mark.  I have shared the messages from that discussion with several of my
>fellow students at Baylor, but have done so hesitantly.  Is it ethical for me
>to take material from the list and concatenate and print it for the edification
>of non-list members?
>My thinking is: when a message is offered to the entire list, it becomes
>property of each participant.  Therefore, as long as one uses a message in
>context and doesn't alter the meaning of a message (i.e., "rewriting" someone
>else's post), participants should be free to print, concatenate, and share
>material from B-Breek at their discretion.
>Is this the basic consensus of the group?
>Grace and peace,
>Perry L. Stepp, Baylor University

My answer is twofold. 1. As I learned from other lists about classics,
etc., it is considered bad form to forward anything to someone else or to
copy it and print it without the express permission of the author. This is
a discussion group, not a form of public publication. Postings are made
rapidly, without the editing and revision that one would do for
publication. So NO! you are not free to publish anything on a list without
the permission of the original writer. It is in part bad manners, in part
unfair to the writer.

2. I think there is also the matter of legal ownership of intellectual
property. This has been established in relation to class notes taken in
college or university course lectures. The content of a lecture I give is
my intellectual property un der copyright law, even if you have heard it
and taken notes. The original writer can, conceivably, sue for copyright
infringement. So a posting is not the legal property of everyone
subscribing to the list.

I add that circulating material without permission would defeat the
"free-form" intelectual discussion on the list and destroy its spontaneous
character. I, for one, would stop replying to any list where such
unauthorized reprinting occurred.

Please understand, I am writing this response in all good humor. :-)

Cordially, Ed Krentz

Edgar Krentz, New Testament
Lutheran School of Theology at Chicago
Tel.: 312-256-0752; (H) 312-947-8105


From: Tim McLay <tmclay@atcon.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 00:54:08 -0300
Subject: Re: 2 Tim 2:15 

There is an excellent article on this subject in HTR in the early to mid
80's.  Sorry, I can't give author and date.  A significant problem is how
does SWQHSETAI relate to MEINWSIN?  There is a change in subjects.  If one
understand SWQHSETAI in a soteriological sense, how could childbearing
achieve salvation?  As C. Winbery has just indicated, you are well-advised
to think about the broader sense of the verb.  

Tim Mclay
Tim McLay           tmclay@atcon.com
Halifax, Nova Scotia


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