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by davidmccollough
October 19th, 2020, 11:55 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13
Replies: 18
Views: 1078

Re: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13

Apologies. I haven't had time for B-Greek for a while... Frame semantics: A frame is a mental representation of something world. If I say "I walked into his home", I don't need to tell you that it has a kitchen, bathroom, & livingroom. Those elements are part of our shared mental representation of ...
by davidmccollough
September 16th, 2020, 8:15 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13
Replies: 18
Views: 1078

Re: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13

ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι is both the location and the instrument, which is the natural default for verbs of washing: "in" and "with" are blended together into a single frame. Treating πνεύματι as an agent here is incorrect...and that's true generally for ἐν πνεύματι, there's inevitably some other things goi...
by davidmccollough
September 13th, 2020, 8:31 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13
Replies: 18
Views: 1078

Re: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13

1Cor. 12:13 καὶ γὰρ ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι ἡμεῖς πάντες εἰς ἓν σῶμα ἐβαπτίσθημεν Sure looks like Parallelism . Replacing ἐν ἑνὶ with εἰς ἓν is really clever. Cooper[1] says when ἐν is used with a personal dative the referent of the dative is being considered as an insturment . [1] Attic Greek Prose Syntax...
by davidmccollough
September 12th, 2020, 2:33 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13
Replies: 18
Views: 1078

Re: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13

1Cor. 12:13 καὶ γὰρ ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι ἡμεῖς πάντες εἰς ἓν σῶμα ἐβαπτίσθημεν Sure looks like Parallelism . Replacing ἐν ἑνὶ with εἰς ἓν is really clever. Cooper[1] says when ἐν is used with a personal dative the referent of the dative is being considered as an insturment . [1] Attic Greek Prose Syntax...
by davidmccollough
September 12th, 2020, 6:59 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13
Replies: 18
Views: 1078

Re: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13

According to our definition, if ἐν + dative is used to express agency, the noun in the dative must not only be personal, but must also be the agent who performs the action.48 BDF accurately assess the NT situation of the naked dative used for personal agency: “Dative of agency is perhaps represente...
by davidmccollough
September 12th, 2020, 1:10 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13
Replies: 18
Views: 1078

Re: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13

ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι is both the location and the instrument, which is the natural default for verbs of washing: "in" and "with" are blended together into a single frame. Treating πνεύματι as an agent here is incorrect...and that's true generally for ἐν πνεύματι, there's inevitably some other things goi...
by davidmccollough
September 11th, 2020, 2:54 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13
Replies: 18
Views: 1078

Re: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13

Dan Wallace has a discussion of this in his grammar: B. Significant Passages Involving Ἐν As varied as the uses of ἐν are, sometimes it is considered even more elastic than it really is. The following discussion focuses on a few passages in which the preposition has been viewed as expressing agency...
by davidmccollough
September 11th, 2020, 12:19 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13
Replies: 18
Views: 1078

Re: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13

Thank you. I recognise the language of going down into the water and coming up from the water. However, my question regards 1 Corinthians 12:13 and the preposition ἐν. Does the collocation of ἐν with βαπτίζω in the Gospels (Matthew 3:11 Ἐγὼ μὲν ὑμᾶς βαπτίζω ἐν ὕδατι εἰς μετάνοιαν, compare Mark 1:8;...
by davidmccollough
September 10th, 2020, 10:45 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13
Replies: 18
Views: 1078

Re: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13

Matt. 3:16 βαπτισθεὶς δὲ ὁ Ἰησοῦς εὐθὺς ἀνέβη ἀπὸ τοῦ ὕδατος ... Mark 1:10 καὶ εὐθὺς ἀναβαίνων ἐκ τοῦ ὕδατος ... Acts 8:39 ὅτε δὲ ἀνέβησαν ἐκ τοῦ ὕδατος ... This clarifies what happened. Thank you. I recognise the language of going down into the water and coming up from the water. However, my quest...
by davidmccollough
September 10th, 2020, 4:48 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13
Replies: 18
Views: 1078

Re: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13

I also note that in Matthew, baptismal agency is expressed by ὑπὸ - ἐγὼ χρείαν ἔχω ὑπὸ σοῦ βαπτισθῆναι,
(Matthew 3:14)

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