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by Stirling Bartholomew
August 15th, 2019, 10:22 am
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 74
Views: 7744

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

There was a time roughly 20 years ago when I thought aspect was comprehensible. Recent discussion doesn't support that hypothesis. What in this thread makes you feel so? After all, we are talking about tense, not aspect. The introduction of terminology and concepts that are not formerly part of the...
by Stirling Bartholomew
August 14th, 2019, 7:05 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 74
Views: 7744

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

-what in the world does a "spatial verb" mean? This thread is somewhat hard to follow. It's like hearing a discussion between people from different galaxies all speaking Esperanto. There was a time roughly 20 years ago when I thought aspect was comprehensible. Recent discussion doesn't support that...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 24th, 2019, 2:33 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Athanasius Contra Gentes
Replies: 17
Views: 1390

Re: Athanasius Contra Gentes

The previous post uses a citation from Athanasius On The Incarnation . Here is a similar idea from Athanasius Contra Gentes. § 4.4 ὄντα δέ ἐστι τὰ καλά, οὐκ ὄντα δὲ τὰ φαῦλα. ὄντα δέ φημι τὰ καλά, καθότι ἐκ τοῦ ὄντος Θεοῦ τὰ παραδείγματα ἔχει· οὐκ ὄντα δὲ τὰ κακὰ λέγω, καθότι ἐπινοίαις ἀνθρώπων οὐκ ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 24th, 2019, 1:05 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Athanasius Contra Gentes
Replies: 17
Views: 1390

Re: Athanasius Contra Gentes

Athanasius Contra Gentes http://catholiclibrary.org/library/view?docId=Synchronized-OR/npnf.000085.gr.html;chunk.id=00000009;toc.id=00000005;brand=default § 4.5 Εἰ γὰρ φύσιν ἔχοντες τὸ μὴ εἶναί ποτε, τῇ τοῦ Λόγου παρουσίᾳ καὶ φιλανθρωπίᾳ εἰς τὸ εἶναι ἐκλήθησαν, ἀκόλουθον ἦν κενωθέντας τοὺς ἀνθρώπου...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 19th, 2019, 5:52 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 1:18 and Exodus 3:14 LXX
Replies: 8
Views: 710

Re: John 1:18 and Exodus 3:14 LXX

More plausible is that the translators, possibly influenced by neo-Platonism , are giving an interpretive paraphrase to make it a statement of God's absolute existence. I have been reading statements like "... possibly influenced by neo-Platonism ..." for eons and rarely if ever does anyone explain...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 19th, 2019, 4:38 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Athanasius Contra Gentes
Replies: 17
Views: 1390

Re: Athanasius Contra Gentes

This isn't a discussion of doctrine. I am looked for evidence that Athanasius is framing his discussion in a cognitive framework inherited from greek philosophy. In other words this is a question about semantics at the framework level. Very much a language issue. The contrast between the contemplati...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 19th, 2019, 3:58 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Athanasius Contra Gentes
Replies: 17
Views: 1390

Re: Athanasius Contra Gentes

I'm having a tough time finding a digitized version of the Greek text of this online. Anyone have a link? Athanasius Contra Gentes http://catholiclibrary.org/library/view?docId=Synchronized-OR/npnf.000085.gr.html;chunk.id=00000009;toc.id=00000005;brand=default It appears that Athanasius' treatment ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 17th, 2019, 1:48 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Athanasius Contra Gentes
Replies: 17
Views: 1390

Re: Athanasius Contra Gentes

§ 4.1Ἀποστᾶσα τῆς τῶν νοητῶν θεωρίας, καὶ ταῖς κατὰ μέρος τοῦ σώματος ἐνεργείαις καταχρωμένη, καὶ ἡσθεῖσα τῇ τοῦ σώματος θεωρίᾳ καὶ ἰδοῦσα καλὸν ἑαυτῇ εἶναι τὴν ἡδονήν, πλανηθεῖσα κατεχρήσατο τῷ τοῦ καλοῦ ὀνόματι, καὶ ἐνόμισεν εἶναι τὴν ἡδονὴν αὐτὸ τὸ ὄντως καλόν· ὥσπερ εἴ τις, τὴν διάνοιαν παραπλη...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 11th, 2019, 7:38 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Doctrina Jacobi
Replies: 6
Views: 711

Re: Doctrina Jacobi

A memorable quote from Doctrina Jacobi[1]: Ἰούδας γὰρ καὶ Ισραηλ καὶ τὰ ἔθνη τὰ εἰς Χριστὸν πιστεύσαντα μίαν ἀρχὴν ἔχουσι καὶ βασιλέα τὸν Χριστὸν. These words are inserted following a citation from Greek Hosea 2:1b-2 <Hos. 2:1> ... καὶ ἔσται ἐν τῷ τόπῳ, οὗ ἐρρέθη αὐτοῖς Οὐ λαός μου ὑμεῖς, ἐκεῖ κληθή...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 7th, 2019, 1:08 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Mk. 6.14
Replies: 4
Views: 475

Re: Mk. 6.14

Rephrasing the question: What is the function of ὁ βαπτίζων in Mk. 6.14. Mark 1:4 ἐγένετο Ἰωάννης [ὁ] βαπτίζων ἐν τῇ ἐρήμῳ καὶ κηρύσσων βάπτισμα μετανοίας εἰς ἄφεσιν ἁμαρτιῶν. Mark 6:14 Καὶ ἤκουσεν ὁ βασιλεὺς Ἡρῴδης, φανερὸν γὰρ ἐγένετο τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ, καὶ ἔλεγον ὅτι Ἰωάννης ὁ βαπτίζων ἐγήγερται ἐκ ...

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