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by Stirling Bartholomew
July 13th, 2020, 1:48 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Origen: ἐκ νεκρῶν τοῦ τοὺς νεκροὺς ἐγείρεσθαι.
Replies: 3
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Re: Origen: ἐκ νεκρῶν τοῦ τοὺς νεκροὺς ἐγείρεσθαι.

Origenes Dialogus cum Heraclide Section 5, line 16 Μόνη ἡ ἐκκλησία <παρὰ> πάσας τὰς αἱρέσεις ἀρνουμένας τὴν ἀνάστασιν ὁμολογεῖ ἀνάστασιν νεκροῦ σώματος, ὡς ἀκολούθου ὄντος τῷ τὴν ἀπαρχὴν ἐγηγέρθαι ἐκ νεκρῶν τοῦ τοὺς νεκροὺς ἐγείρεσθαι. Why isn't there an article in both places? Are not νεκρῶν and ν...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 12th, 2020, 5:21 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Origen: ἐκ νεκρῶν τοῦ τοὺς νεκροὺς ἐγείρεσθαι.
Replies: 3
Views: 87

Origen: ἐκ νεκρῶν τοῦ τοὺς νεκροὺς ἐγείρεσθαι.

Origenes Dialogus cum Heraclide Section 5, line 16 Μόνη ἡ ἐκκλησία <παρὰ> πάσας τὰς αἱρέσεις ἀρνουμένας τὴν ἀνάστασιν ὁμολογεῖ ἀνάστασιν νεκροῦ σώματος, ὡς ἀκολούθου ὄντος τῷ τὴν ἀπαρχὴν ἐγηγέρθαι ἐκ νεκρῶν τοῦ τοὺς νεκροὺς ἐγείρεσθαι. Not wanting to further intrude on the other thread[1] ... here ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 12th, 2020, 1:41 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 50
Views: 1096

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

The value of the Patristic evidence is providing a background of data to smoke out fallacies in the NT textbooks, intermediate grammars and discourse studies of the Greek article. A lot of ideas fall on the cutting floor after massive exposure to raw data. Some of my pet notions about the greek arti...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 11th, 2020, 6:06 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 50
Views: 1096

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

Here's a question, not directly related to any statement in these grammars: We are talking about prepositions. Prepositions occur only with oblique cases. But oblique cases occur also without prepositions. Are these occurrences governed by different rules even though an oblique case with a preposit...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 10th, 2020, 1:18 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 50
Views: 1096

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

[ Certainly. It could well be an epiphenomenon of a confluence of other grammatical factors that happen to manifest more frequently in prepositional phrases. If so, this would mean that grammars are descriptively inadequate in lumping them under prepositional phrases. In any case, I would like to g...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 9th, 2020, 8:08 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 50
Views: 1096

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

By the way, the presence of the article in 1 Thess 1:10 is a hard text-critical problem (hence my interest in getting a good grasp of the issue), and if we can understand the articulation of prepositional objects better, then we can evaluate the intrinsic probabilities for the reading better. I hav...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 7th, 2020, 6:05 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Epistle to Diogenetus
Replies: 1
Views: 88

Re: Epistle to Diogenetus

Diog. 4:1 Ἀλλὰ μὴν τό γε περὶ τὰς βρώσεις αὐτῶν ψοφοδεές , καὶ τὴν περὶ τὰ σάββατα δεισιδαιμονίαν , καὶ τὴν τῆς περιτομῆς ἀλαζονείαν, καὶ τὴν τῆς νηστείας καὶ νουμηνίας εἰρωνείαν, καταγέλαστα καὶ οὐδενὸς ἄξια λόγου «οὐ» νομίζω σε χρῄζειν παρ᾿ ἐμοῦ μαθεῖν. But with regard to their qualms about meats...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 6th, 2020, 6:53 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Exodus 13:1
Replies: 7
Views: 260

Re: Exodus 13:1

Probably getting in over my head here. Doesn't take much searching to discover a pattern here. Hebrew idiom EX 3:12 כל־פטר־רחם LXX patterns with variations Ex. 13:2 Ἁγίασόν μοι πᾶν πρωτότοκον πρωτογενὲς διανοῖγον πᾶσαν μήτραν ἐν τοῖς υἱοῖς Ισραηλ ἀπὸ ἀνθρώπου ἕως κτήνους· ἐμοί ἐστιν. ***** πρωτογενὲ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 4th, 2020, 4:23 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Exodus 13:1
Replies: 7
Views: 260

Re: Exodus 13:1

E.Tov MT/LXX marks πρωτότοκον {d} πρωτογενὲς as a doublet. J.W. Wevers Notes on Gk Text Exodus , p195, calls πᾶν πρωτότοκον πρωτογενὲς an appositional construction and adds "to distinguish it (πρωτογενὲς) from the more common word (πρωτότοκον) ... (πρωτογενὲς) might be rendered "the one born first" ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
June 30th, 2020, 3:32 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Epistle to Diogenetus
Replies: 1
Views: 88

Epistle to Diogenetus

Diog. 2:1 Ἄγε δή, καθάρας σεαυτὸν ἀπὸ πάντων τῶν προκατεχόντων σου τὴν διάνοιαν λογισμῶν, καὶ τὴν ἀπατώσάν σε συνήθειαν ἀποσκευασάμενος, καὶ γενόμενος ὥσπερ ἐξ ἀρχῆς καινὸς ἄνθρωπος, ὡς ἂν καὶ λόγου καινοῦ, καθάπερ καὶ αὐτὸς ὡμολόγησας, ἀκροατὴς ἐσόμενος· ἴδε μὴ μόνον τοῖς ὀφθαλμοῖς ἀλλὰ καὶ τῇ φρο...

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