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by grogers
March 9th, 2016, 8:29 am
Forum: Other
Topic: Jude 25b
Replies: 3
Views: 1274

Re: Jude 25b

OK. I appreciate you letting me know. Thank you.
by grogers
March 8th, 2016, 1:36 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: Jude 25b
Replies: 3
Views: 1274

Jude 25b

I hope I am in the right forum to ask this question. I notice in Jude 25b there is quite a difference in the variant readings of this section. 1. The Wectcott and Hort text reads μόνῳ θεῷ σωτῆρι ἡμῶν διὰ Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν δόξα μεγαλωσύνη κράτος καὶ ἐξουσία πρὸ παντὸς τοῦ αἰῶνος καὶ νῦν κ...
by grogers
February 5th, 2016, 3:11 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Acts 21:9 προφητεύουσαι
Replies: 4
Views: 1256

Re: Acts 21:9 προφητεύουσαι

That makes sense. I suppose this is why it is rendered prophesied in most English translations rather than prophetesses. I am not sure that it really matters. Thanks a lot for the help.
by grogers
February 5th, 2016, 2:27 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Acts 21:9 προφητεύουσαι
Replies: 4
Views: 1256

Acts 21:9 προφητεύουσαι

I do hope this is not a stupid question and I hope I am in the correct forum. In Acts 21:9, which is the better rendering of προφητεύουσαι ? Most translations say 'prophesied' while the NAS reads 'prophetesses' which seems to agree with the nominative case. Is this correct or should the emphasis be ...
by grogers
April 4th, 2015, 1:49 pm
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: aorist participles
Replies: 27
Views: 5328

Re: aorist participles

But there's no such thing as a conditional verb , this is all an attempt to convey what the Greek says in English, it involves interpretation, and something is always lost in translation. Point taken. I supposed I should have said a conditional aorist. This is how Wallace regards it, "This particip...
by grogers
April 4th, 2015, 11:41 am
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: aorist participles
Replies: 27
Views: 5328

Re: aorist participles

I suspect that's also what the King James is trying to accomplish with the future and the conditional in "if they shall fall away", distinguish the "good times" from the time of falling away. I don't think the "shall" in the KJV would be regarded as future, but as modal = "they certainly will". It ...
by grogers
April 3rd, 2015, 6:46 pm
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: aorist participles
Replies: 27
Views: 5328

Re: aorist participles

Thank you. That is what I was looking for all along. The difference I see between the text in Luke and the one in Hebrews is that the one in Luke is conditional even without adding the if in English. What do you mean by that? There's no such thing as a "conditional verb" in Greek grammar. Your inte...
by grogers
April 3rd, 2015, 4:46 pm
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: aorist participles
Replies: 27
Views: 5328

Re: aorist participles

Can I, strictly from a point of grammar, read an aorist participle such as παραπεσόντας as a conditional verb when it is not preceded by εἴ? If so why and if not why? Let me reword your question: Can an aorist participle such as παραπεσόντας indicate a condition on which the fulfillment of the idea...
by grogers
April 3rd, 2015, 2:36 pm
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: aorist participles
Replies: 27
Views: 5328

Re: aorist participles

First off, I went back and edited my message to make it clear that I'm annoyed at some commentaries, not at you. I don't understand what difference in meaning is proposed in the original Greek, and get annoyed by discussions that seem to involve more theology than careful reading of the text. NOTE:...
by grogers
April 3rd, 2015, 2:18 pm
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: aorist participles
Replies: 27
Views: 5328

Re: aorist participles

I don't know what you mean by "inserted" into the English. When you translate, you try to create a text that conveys the meaning of the original text as well as you can. Can you explain the difference in meaning between those translations that translate with "if" and those that do not? If you think...

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