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by Peter Streitenberger
May 18th, 2020, 5:07 pm
Forum: Greek Texts
Topic: Translation of Phil. 3.16
Replies: 14
Views: 1144

Re: Translation of Phil. 3.16

I think everyone`s mind is set. I did some more search, some of them might be of interest, without comment, as I think it would be better to come to an end. - Athanasius, Contra Arianos, 43.2,1: „εἰς τοσοῦτον γὰρ ἔφθασαν ἀπονοίας, ὡς καὶ ἐπισκόπους ἐπιχειρεῖν ἀνελεῖν, καὶ ἀνεῖλον ἄν, εἰ μὴ ἐξέφυγον ...
by Peter Streitenberger
May 18th, 2020, 6:35 am
Forum: Greek Texts
Topic: Translation of Phil. 3.16
Replies: 14
Views: 1144

Re: Translation of Phil. 3.16

Thanks for your concerns, the English suggestion is a problem for me, not so in German. "Your proposed English translation represents a different understanding of the Greek syntax than what you seem to be arguing for". That could be true. In German the suggestions was (normal Syntax, "dazu" is a cor...
by Peter Streitenberger
May 17th, 2020, 12:31 pm
Forum: Greek Texts
Topic: Translation of Phil. 3.16
Replies: 14
Views: 1144

Re: Translation of Phil. 3.16

We disagree, Barry, as a normal function of the infinitive among others is an adverbial, in this suggestion with a final or another debatable force, and as such, very clearly depending on a verb. BRD § 390, Zerwick § 392, BR § 237, Duhoux § 228. Siebenthal (German edition § 220). Examples for verbs ...
by Peter Streitenberger
May 17th, 2020, 7:39 am
Forum: Greek Texts
Topic: Translation of Phil. 3.16
Replies: 14
Views: 1144

Re: Translation of Phil. 3.16

Thanks for the interesting answers, you all! To address some concerns: I only know of one translator committee of only one German translation currently debating this verse and if it should be changed, as I heard they are very open to it (Prof. Jantzen/Jettel). I wanted to spot them on this debate, m...
by Peter Streitenberger
May 15th, 2020, 6:22 am
Forum: Greek Texts
Topic: Translation of Phil. 3.16
Replies: 14
Views: 1144

Translation of Phil. 3.16

Dear Biblical-Greeks, In Phil. 3.16 it states (RP, TR, HF etc.): "πλὴν εἰς ὃ ἐφθάσαμεν, τῷ αὐτῷ στοιχεῖν κανόνι, τὸ αὐτὸ φρονεῖν". In some translations the two infinitives στοιχεῖν and φρονεῖν are treated as adhortatives, usually coded by subjunctives ("let us"). E.g. the Darby Translation: "But whe...
by Peter Streitenberger
May 8th, 2019, 2:32 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: 1Peter 3,20 force of the prepositional phrase
Replies: 8
Views: 7622

Re: 1Peter 3,20 force of the prepositional phrase

τοῦτο δʼ οἱ περὶ τὰς ἐργασίας ἀσχολούμενοι συνάγοντες ἀλήθουσιν ἢ συγκόπτουσι τὰς ἐχούσας τὸ ψῆγμα βώλους, διὰ δὲ τῶν ὑδάτων τῆς φύσεως τὸ γεῶδες πλύναντες παραδιδόασιν ἐν ταῖς καμίνοις εἰς τὴν χωνείαν. "This those in engaged in the work gather and grind or crush the clods having the gold dust, and...
by Peter Streitenberger
May 7th, 2019, 5:17 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: 1Peter 3,20 force of the prepositional phrase
Replies: 8
Views: 7622

Re: 1Peter 3,20 force of the prepositional phrase

Dear Barry, thanks. I hope I can reformulate the question by referring to a dictionary (Friberg): διά preposition; I. with the genitive; (1) spatial through, by way of (JN 10.1); (2) temporal; (a) of a whole duration of time through, throughout (LU 5.5); (b) of time within which something takes plac...
by Peter Streitenberger
May 7th, 2019, 1:09 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: 1Peter 3,20 force of the prepositional phrase
Replies: 8
Views: 7622

Re: 1Peter 3,20 force of the prepositional phrase

It is me again, one additional question: If Peter had constructed the preposition with the accusative, just as the example (Ctesias Fragmenta 1b.565), it would be clearly locally. Isn`t Ctestias a hint, as Peter did it the other way, to treat it as instrumental.

Plausible or not? Thx. P.
by Peter Streitenberger
May 7th, 2019, 12:01 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: 1Peter 3,20 force of the prepositional phrase
Replies: 8
Views: 7622

Re: 1Peter 3,20 force of the prepositional phrase

dear both of you, thank you for the help! Barry, yes, I need to withdraw that example, it is accusative and so indeed no parallel.
I tend to your solution, maybe I find a real parallel. Thanks for far - at least two statements! Yours peter
by Peter Streitenberger
May 7th, 2019, 4:35 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: 1Peter 3,20 force of the prepositional phrase
Replies: 8
Views: 7622

1Peter 3,20 force of the prepositional phrase

Dear friends of Greek, I may ask you a tricky (at least for me) question concerning 1Peter 3.20, where it states: ἀπειθήσασίν ποτε, ὅτε ἀπεξεδέχετο ἡ τοῦ θεοῦ μακροθυμία ἐν ἡμέραις Νῶε, κατασκευαζομένης κιβωτοῦ, εἰς ἣν ὀλίγαι, τοῦτ᾽ ἔστιν ὀκτὼ ψυχαί, διεσώθησαν δι᾽ ὕδατος• heretofore disobedient, wh...

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