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by Matthew Longhorn
October 23rd, 2020, 12:44 pm
Forum: Books
Topic: Acts - Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament
Replies: 0
Views: 18

Acts - Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament

Another volume of B&H's Exegetical Guide to the Greek New Testament series is coming out in November

https://www.bhacademic.com/products/acts-2/
by Matthew Longhorn
October 22nd, 2020, 2:50 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Meta Language
Replies: 11
Views: 646

Re: Meta Language

Some of us removed the scaffolding some years back and now have become quite skeptical about the value of the scaffolding at any stage of learning. People who teach intro and intermediate often have a preoccupation with the scaffolding. Just curious, but wouldn't this depend on what your goal is. L...
by Matthew Longhorn
October 12th, 2020, 9:11 am
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Rev 12:11 and 13:14 - δια + acc as instrumental
Replies: 24
Views: 1445

Re: Rev 12:11 and 13:14 - δια + acc as instrumental

Thanks Barry et al., this has been helpful.
by Matthew Longhorn
October 12th, 2020, 4:52 am
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Rev 12:11 and 13:14 - δια + acc as instrumental
Replies: 24
Views: 1445

Re: Rev 12:11 and 13:14 - δια + acc as instrumental

It quite obviously means that they were killed by the beasts that made war with the saints, and that it was "because of" or "on account of" the testimony that they kept. The διά clauses give the reason for their being killed. There is no ambiguity here. Hey Jason, are you referring to 12:11 and 13:...
by Matthew Longhorn
October 12th, 2020, 1:32 am
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Rev 12:11 and 13:14 - δια + acc as instrumental
Replies: 24
Views: 1445

Re: Rev 12:11 and 13:14 - δια + acc as instrumental

For (2), the main difficulty is that the original meaning of διά + acc. alreadt makes such eminent sense of 6:9 and 20:4 (at least on the surface) that it seems strained to suppose that we are working with two more anomalous instances of it. It's much more economical to suppose that Winters's hypot...
by Matthew Longhorn
October 12th, 2020, 12:31 am
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Rev 12:11 and 13:14 - δια + acc as instrumental
Replies: 24
Views: 1445

Re: Rev 12:11 and 13:14 - δια + acc as instrumental

A tad blunt but fair :) . In my defence, I did post after a night of no sleep - against me... I need to not do that. That said, I didn’t sleep last night either so it proves I don’t learn from my mistakes Argument is War: Relevance-Theoretic Comprehension of the Conceptual Metaphor of War in the Apo...
by Matthew Longhorn
October 11th, 2020, 1:31 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Rev 12:11 and 13:14 - δια + acc as instrumental
Replies: 24
Views: 1445

Re: Rev 12:11 and 13:14 - δια + acc as instrumental

Thanks, that makes some sense.
So in that case, shifting the question along - would you see 12:11 and 13:14 as functioning as BDAG and BDF assert?
by Matthew Longhorn
October 11th, 2020, 1:18 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Rev 12:11 and 13:14 - δια + acc as instrumental
Replies: 24
Views: 1445

Re: Rev 12:11 and 13:14 - δια + acc as instrumental

Can you clarify on that?
Idiomatic perhaps, but truly private?
by Matthew Longhorn
October 11th, 2020, 1:10 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Rev 12:11 and 13:14 - δια + acc as instrumental
Replies: 24
Views: 1445

Re: Rev 12:11 and 13:14 - δια + acc as instrumental

Which doesn’t answer my question in the original post :D
Namely whether this usage in 12:11 and 13:14 is found in other texts in Koine / classical.
And to be fair, with regards to the meta language - surely it is important to understand in what sense BDF / BDAG are using their terminology?
by Matthew Longhorn
October 11th, 2020, 12:58 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Rev 12:11 and 13:14 - δια + acc as instrumental
Replies: 24
Views: 1445

Re: Rev 12:11 and 13:14 - δια + acc as instrumental

It can if you are taking the death language as a metaphor which is why I wanted to avoid the theology on this one and focus on how δια + accusative can function. Namely whether it can be instrumental and it seems I am mistaken on that term here with efficient cause being different. I need to try to ...

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