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by Barry Hofstetter
September 16th, 2020, 8:17 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: How to translate ἐρχόμενος?
Replies: 10
Views: 214

Re: How to translate ἐρχόμενος?

Can you recommend some that I can access for free online? I don't read paper books any more. Look at the Greek grammars here on Textkit . They aren't for the New Testament specifically, except for the short treatment from James Strong (which isn't a full course). I recommend that you start with Fir...
by Barry Hofstetter
September 13th, 2020, 11:44 pm
Forum: Beginners Forum
Topic: Please help me to identify the letters in greek
Replies: 12
Views: 359

Re: Please help me to identify the letters in greek

Hello again, I have the nerve to write here again and I will say this with a feeling of inadequacy, because now I realize that many in the forum (perhaps all of you), are PhDs and scholars and I'm literally a simpleton, a nobody. Thing is that I had this idea to embark in the endeavor to translate ...
by Barry Hofstetter
September 13th, 2020, 8:08 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13
Replies: 16
Views: 397

Re: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13

1Cor. 12:13 καὶ γὰρ ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι ἡμεῖς πάντες εἰς ἓν σῶμα ἐβαπτίσθημεν Sure looks like Parallelism . Replacing ἐν ἑνὶ with εἰς ἓν is really clever. Cooper[1] says when ἐν is used with a personal dative the referent of the dative is being considered as an insturment . [1] Attic Greek Prose Syntax...
by Barry Hofstetter
September 12th, 2020, 11:30 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Eph 2:8 τοῦτο ... τὸ δῶρον
Replies: 10
Views: 259

Re: Eph 2:8 τοῦτο ... τὸ δῶρον

But you could also be right, or it could be that it's both and a first speaker of the language wouldn't even notice the difference. From what I can tell of ancient native speakers who interpreted the passage, they placed much less (indeed virtually no) weight on the gender of τοῦτο in their interpr...
by Barry Hofstetter
September 12th, 2020, 6:46 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13
Replies: 16
Views: 397

Re: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13

According to our definition, if ἐν + dative is used to express agency, the noun in the dative must not only be personal, but must also be the agent who performs the action.48 BDF accurately assess the NT situation of the naked dative used for personal agency: “Dative of agency is perhaps represente...
by Barry Hofstetter
September 10th, 2020, 11:45 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13
Replies: 16
Views: 397

Re: ἐν ἑνὶ πνεύματι Agent, Instrument, Sphere? I Corinthians 12:13

Thank you. I recognise the language of going down into the water and coming up from the water. However, my question regards 1 Corinthians 12:13 and the preposition ἐν. Does the collocation of ἐν with βαπτίζω in the Gospels (Matthew 3:11 Ἐγὼ μὲν ὑμᾶς βαπτίζω ἐν ὕδατι εἰς μετάνοιαν, compare Mark 1:8;...
by Barry Hofstetter
September 8th, 2020, 8:51 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Eph 2:8 τοῦτο ... τὸ δῶρον
Replies: 10
Views: 259

Re: Eph 2:8 τοῦτο ... τὸ δῶρον

So, bottom line for me is that the the summative anaphoric use of τοῦτο here better fits the context than any kind of "forward attraction." Sounds like something’s missing with the initial “So,” but I don’t really see a necessary tension between the two positions. The forward attraction merely expl...
by Barry Hofstetter
September 8th, 2020, 7:18 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Eph 2:8 τοῦτο ... τὸ δῶρον
Replies: 10
Views: 259

Re: Eph 2:8 τοῦτο ... τὸ δῶρον

So, bottom line for me is that the the summative anaphoric use of τοῦτο here better fits the context than any kind of "forward attraction."
by Barry Hofstetter
September 8th, 2020, 7:13 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Rev. 1:4 ὁ ἦν not ὁ γενόμενος
Replies: 23
Views: 2281

Re: Rev. 1:4 ὁ ἦν not ὁ γενόμενος

Interestingly, I just found an example of ὁ after ἀπό in a grammatical treatise of all things, Herodianus, De locutionum pravitatibus (ed. Cramer, p. 246): ὥσπερ ἀπὸ τοῦ γένους ἡ πληθυντικὴ δοτικὴ τοῖς γένεσι γίνεται, οὕτω καὶ ἀπὸ ὁ συγγενὴς, τοῖς συγγένεσι. ("Just as the dative plural τοῖς γένεσι ...
by Barry Hofstetter
September 7th, 2020, 11:40 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Eph 2:8 τοῦτο ... τὸ δῶρον
Replies: 10
Views: 259

Re: Eph 2:8 πίστις and τοῦτο

I hate to bring up a five-year old post, but what are the reasons that the proposal of forward attraction of τοῦτο to the neuter δῶρον is unsatisfactory? τῇ γὰρ χάριτί ἐστε σεσῳσμένοι διὰ πίστεως· καὶ τοῦτο οὐκ ἐξ ὑμῶν, θεοῦ τὸ δῶρον 9 οὐκ ἐξ ἔργων, ἵνα μή τις καυχήσηται. By "forward attraction" ar...

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