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by Stephen Carlson
July 14th, 2020, 7:52 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
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Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

Eeli mentioned Turner's treatment in an earlier post, so today's grammar will be Nigel Turner, A Grammar of New Testament Greek: J. H. Moulton , vol. 3 Syntax (T&T Clark, 1963). (c) A bsence of Article after Prepositions ¹ Such phrases may be formulae inherited from a pre-articular age of Greek. In ...
by Stephen Carlson
July 14th, 2020, 7:06 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 50
Views: 1101

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

Most of the discussions seem to imply that having the article is the norm and and anarthrousness is an exception when the reference of the noun is definite (or particluar or whatever). But what happens if we turn it around - with prepositions anarthrousness is the norm and using the article needs e...
by Stephen Carlson
July 14th, 2020, 7:03 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 50
Views: 1101

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

page 114. Dr Katz observes that the omission of the Article with proper Prepositions is good Greek; and he suggests that the determination of a noun by a Preposition only is a survival of a primitive stage before the use of the Article had become general. This is interesting. To me it looks like a ...
by Stephen Carlson
July 13th, 2020, 7:47 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Origen: ἐκ νεκρῶν τοῦ τοὺς νεκροὺς ἐγείρεσθαι.
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Re: Origen: ἐκ νεκρῶν τοῦ τοὺς νεκροὺς ἐγείρεσθαι.

Origenes Dialogus cum Heraclide Section 5, line 16 Μόνη ἡ ἐκκλησία <παρὰ> πάσας τὰς αἱρέσεις ἀρνουμένας τὴν ἀνάστασιν ὁμολογεῖ ἀνάστασιν νεκροῦ σώματος, ὡς ἀκολούθου ὄντος τῷ τὴν ἀπαρχὴν ἐγηγέρθαι ἐκ νεκρῶν τοῦ τοὺς νεκροὺς ἐγείρεσθαι. Why isn't there an article in both places? Are not νεκρῶν and ν...
by Stephen Carlson
July 13th, 2020, 7:39 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 50
Views: 1101

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

Today's grammar is C. F. D. Moule, An Idiom Book of New Testament Greek , 2nd ed. (CUP, 1959). This is an old-style intermediate grammar, which does not rehash what the beginning student should have already learned but explores various problem passages in the New Testament where the basic grammatica...
by Stephen Carlson
July 13th, 2020, 6:54 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 50
Views: 1101

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

Are you going to review N. Turner? (Vol 3 of the 4 part Moulton.) He has over half a page of dense text about Absense of Article after Prepositions. He cites non-Biblical sources and notably compares with classical, the main point being that "Such phrases may be formulae inherited from a pre-articu...
by Stephen Carlson
July 13th, 2020, 6:52 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 50
Views: 1101

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

The people with the best "feel" for a language, of course, are the native speakers. Unfortunately, native speakers are notoriously poor at describing how their own language works. We expect more out of grammarians, linguistics, and language teachers, but as this ongoing survey of grammars is showin...
by Stephen Carlson
July 13th, 2020, 6:44 pm
Forum: Books
Topic: Todd Scacewater - Discourse Analysis of the New Testament Writings
Replies: 2
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Re: Todd Scacewater - Discourse Analysis of the New Testament Writings

I got the table of contents here:

PS: Is there any way to embed a tweet in this forum? (ETA: yes, apparently automagically)
by Stephen Carlson
July 12th, 2020, 9:22 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Origen: ἐκ νεκρῶν τοῦ τοὺς νεκροὺς ἐγείρεσθαι.
Replies: 3
Views: 87

Re: Origen: ἐκ νεκρῶν τοῦ τοὺς νεκροὺς ἐγείρεσθαι.

Stirling Bartholomew wrote:
July 12th, 2020, 5:21 pm
Not wanting to further intrude on the other thread[1] ... here we see a prepositional object without an article followed by same word with an article between τοῦ ... ἐγείρεσθαι.
And?
by Stephen Carlson
July 12th, 2020, 9:03 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 50
Views: 1101

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

Our next grammar to look at is Stephen H. Levinsohn, Discourse Features of New Testament Greek: A Coursebook on the Information Structure of New Testament Greek , 2nd ed. (SIL, 2000). Levinsohn is best known for bringing information structure considerations to the study of NT Greek, and although he ...

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