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by RandallButh
August 17th, 2019, 8:01 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 74
Views: 8336

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

The parade is a poor analogy if it misses the point. Are the end points and the whole in view (perfective) or not (imperfective)? Whether accomplished from a helicopter or bleacher is a distraction and irrelevant. Again, this shows how metaphor/picture can mislead and trip people up if not careful.
by RandallButh
August 17th, 2019, 1:34 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 74
Views: 8336

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

From earlier up above, That said, this quote may slowly be getting closer to the point. If "yonder, there" are spatial (which I'm happy to accept) and that the meaning of them is carried by an augment/prefix/suffix what have you, This already starts to skew the point. When the particle was an adverb...
by RandallButh
August 17th, 2019, 1:22 pm
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: Why not start with modern Greek?
Replies: 92
Views: 33717

Re: Why not start with modern Greek?

RandallButh wrote: ↑August 17th, 2019, 6:53 pm An interesting typo ... thinking boró. Amazing. Perhaps you will help someone reconstruct the pronunciation a couple thousand years from now. ;) And one must include mechanical keyboards. a person gets used to "ω" for "ν" because of the English "v". Sa...
by RandallButh
August 17th, 2019, 11:53 am
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: Why not start with modern Greek?
Replies: 92
Views: 33717

Re: Why not start with modern Greek?

An interesting typo βρορώ for βπορώ >  μπορώ. who would guess what the unconscious mind can do. Avoiding a graphic English p, but while typing Greek and thinking boró. Amazing. Meanwhile, I think that the semantic development from Koine is considerable although directly connected. As I said, this is...
by RandallButh
August 17th, 2019, 10:41 am
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: Why not start with modern Greek?
Replies: 92
Views: 33717

Re: Why not start with modern Greek?

Randall, I have looked into IBLT at the commendation of Scott McQuinn. I am very impressed by it, Θεός μαζί σας! Then you will know why the school/center needs to be in Israel rather than Athens. To become fluent in Hebrew, all dialects and periods, there is no more efficient place than Israel. How...
by RandallButh
August 17th, 2019, 6:45 am
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 74
Views: 8336

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

D-- your question shows scholars getting entrapped/mixed up in the domain of their metaphors. For Peter Gentry, he was saying that the roots of the morphological ε- augment came from an adverbial marker that was associated with 'farther away, over there'. So far, so good. However, when applied to ve...
by RandallButh
August 16th, 2019, 2:43 pm
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: Why not start with modern Greek?
Replies: 92
Views: 33717

Re: Why not start with modern Greek?

As one predominantly interested in Biblical Studies, I share your conviction about Hebrew. Then you will know why the school/center needs to be in Israel rather than Athens. To become fluent in Hebrew, all dialects and periods, there is no more efficient place than Israel. However, to become fluent...
by RandallButh
August 14th, 2019, 5:47 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 74
Views: 8336

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

Almost all scholars do NOT think that the Greek verb was originally spatial. The sentence that was quoted: "Most scholars would agree that the verbal system of Greek was originally spatial" is linguistic gobbledygook. More to the point---what in the world does a "spatial verb" mean? Verbs relate to ...
by RandallButh
August 14th, 2019, 10:10 am
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: Why not start with modern Greek?
Replies: 92
Views: 33717

Re: Why not start with modern Greek?

I would give up French, maybe German, too, for Greek studies, if the students had fluency in English, Hebrew and modern and ancient Greek. In the US, graduate schools only require "reading French and German" anyway, which is minimally helpful but not usually equivalent to what Europeans are required...
by RandallButh
August 13th, 2019, 6:50 am
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: Why not start with modern Greek?
Replies: 92
Views: 33717

Re: Why not start with modern Greek?

I was going to give a point by point response, but simply will summarize here that I don't believe engagement with modern Greek prior to learning ancient will improve efficiency. I'm not nearly convinced that ancient Greek and modern are close enough for that purpose (and I know more than one nativ...

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