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by Stirling Bartholomew
May 15th, 2020, 12:44 pm
Forum: Greek Texts
Topic: Translation of Phil. 3.16
Replies: 14
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Re: Translation of Phil. 3.16

Peter, looking through a dozen commonly used English versions it is fairly standard to translate this passage as a first person plural imperative ; “Let us ...” — is this functioning as a hortatory-subjunctive ? http://dcc.dickinson.edu/grammar/latin/hortatory-subjunctive. Lest we get bogged down qu...
by Stirling Bartholomew
May 14th, 2020, 3:27 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)
Replies: 15
Views: 534

Re: κατέχω ("repair") in LXX 2 Esdras 13:4-32 (Nehemiah 3)

I have not studied Nehemiah or 2 Esdras. [1] Perhaps I can help point you to some resources for addressing questions of this nature. STEP Bible https://www.stepbible.org SEMANTIC DICTIONARY OF BIBLICAL HEBREW SDBH http://www.semanticdictionary.org/dictionary/main.php?language=en I looked at חזק in ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
May 11th, 2020, 3:44 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Luke 12:36 - Minuscule 157
Replies: 22
Views: 649

Re: Luke 12:36 - Minuscule 157

[1] Firefox warned me not to even think of visiting that web address. The link to the official Brill publication, or the one to the McMaster University’s Institutional Repository? Both should be safe! Should be the same link as posted on this B-Greek thread :) : http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/forum/...
by Stirling Bartholomew
May 10th, 2020, 12:11 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Luke 12:36 - Minuscule 157
Replies: 22
Views: 649

Re: Luke 12:36 - Minuscule 157

Thanks for these, Stirling. Think the main relevant one is this: ἥ φησιν ἐν τῷ πατρί τε εἶναι τὸν υἱὸν καὶ ἐν τῷ υἱῷ τὸν πατέρα, τὸ πότε ἢ ὅτε ἢ τότε μὴ προστιθεῖσα τῷ λόγῳ... which affirms both the Son exists in the Father and the Father in the Son, the "when" or "where" or "then" not adding to th...
by Stirling Bartholomew
May 10th, 2020, 12:01 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Luke 12:36 - Minuscule 157
Replies: 22
Views: 649

Re: Luke 12:36 - Minuscule 157

When you've read the umpteen times in the fathers, they seem normal. τὴν τοῦ ποτὲ μὴ εἶναι ὑπόνοιαν the constituent here would be ποτὲ μὴ εἶναι only governed by the τοῦ because of the dependence on ὑπόνοιαν. I agree. I would say that τοῦ makes ποτὲ μὴ εἶναι function like a genitive which limits ὑπό...
by Stirling Bartholomew
May 9th, 2020, 10:37 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Luke 12:36 - Minuscule 157
Replies: 22
Views: 649

Re: Luke 12:36 - Minuscule 157

While looking at the samples from Gregory Nyssa Against Eunomius I noted one or more instances of τοῦ ποτὲ where τοῦ wasn’t paired with any following genitive. Now I am wondering if this might be a case where the article τοῦ plus ποτὲ function as a constituent. But what kind of constituent? Gregory ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
May 9th, 2020, 6:47 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Luke 12:36 - Minuscule 157
Replies: 22
Views: 649

Re: Luke 12:36 - Minuscule 157

In the last example I mistakenly concatenated two citations making them look as if they were continuous which they are not. To avoid confusion, here is a continuous citation. 3.7.41 ... εἰ οὖν χρόνος οὐκ ἦν, καθὼς ὁ αντιλέγων συντίθεται, συνανῄρηται πάντως καὶ ἡ χρονικὴ σημασία· ταύτης δὲ μὴ οὔσης τ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
May 9th, 2020, 5:09 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Luke 12:36 - Minuscule 157
Replies: 22
Views: 649

Re: Luke 12:36 - Minuscule 157

Here are some samples w/o translation from Gregory Nyssa Against Eunomius [1]. καιρὸς δ' ἂν εἴη πάλιν ἐπαναγαγεῖν ἐπὶ τὴν ακολου θίαν τὸν λόγον. οὐ βούλεται ὁ Εὐνόμιος ὑπὸ τῆς τοῦ πατρὸς φωνῆς καὶ τοῦ αγεννήτου τὴν σημασίαν παρίστασθαι, ἵνα τὸ ποτὲ μὴ εἶναι τὸν μονογενῆ κατασκευάσῃ. καὶ γὰρ καὶ πολὺ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
May 8th, 2020, 1:00 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Luke 12:36 - Minuscule 157
Replies: 22
Views: 649

Re: Luke 12:36 - Minuscule 157

The first sample from Athanasius is easy to comprehend. The article points back to and highlights a previous use of the adverb. This is probably not what you are looking for however. ATHANASIUS Theol. Orationes tres contra Arianos Volume 26 page 33 line 30 § 11.2 Εἰ δὲ λέγετε ὅτι ὁ Υἱὸς ἦν ποτε ὅτε ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
May 7th, 2020, 5:55 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Luke 12:36 - Minuscule 157
Replies: 22
Views: 649

Re: Luke 12:36 - Minuscule 157

There are numerous samples of τὸ πότε in the Church Fathers. Oh fantastic! Do they agree with my interpretation (if you have examples to hand, would love to read them), or am I way off the mark? BDAG, LSJ and BDF give no example (that I could find anyway), and didn't really search all that much fro...

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