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by Stirling Bartholomew
August 29th, 2019, 2:53 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Books omitted from LXX
Replies: 9
Views: 1102

Re: Books omitted from LXX

The notion that "The Septuagint" is fixed entity with a certain content is called into question by the "Warden[1]" of Tyndale House Cambridge, Peter J. Williams, PhD. Why I Don't Believe In The Septuagint - Dr. Peter J. Williams, PhD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmpnJ1cgh58 This has consequences ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
August 28th, 2019, 3:36 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Athanasius Contra Gentes
Replies: 21
Views: 3101

Re: Athanasius Contra Gentes

Apparently Athanasius is arguing that realistic represntationalism actually works against the notion that the idols can see and hear and touch. Why do I find that counter intuitive? So apparently the worship of a stone "fallen from the sky" as in "Til We Have Faces" by C.S. Lewis is to be preferred ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
August 28th, 2019, 3:00 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Athanasius Contra Gentes
Replies: 21
Views: 3101

Re: Athanasius Contra Gentes

Athanasius seems to argue here that representational art leads to idolatry. There seems to be a disjunction in the logic structure below. A missing negative particle? The reason being that the representational realism is the reason for the (erroneous) perception that the idols can hear and see and t...
by Stirling Bartholomew
August 28th, 2019, 2:46 pm
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Books omitted from LXX
Replies: 9
Views: 1102

Re: Books omitted from LXX

They're all present in my copies of the Septuagint. Here , for example, is the text of Baruch. The whole of the Septuagint is on that site. Thanks. Yes, I do know that these books exist in most editions of the Septuagint. That requires no explanation. My question pertains to why they are absent fro...
by Stirling Bartholomew
August 15th, 2019, 10:22 am
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 75
Views: 13571

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

There was a time roughly 20 years ago when I thought aspect was comprehensible. Recent discussion doesn't support that hypothesis. What in this thread makes you feel so? After all, we are talking about tense, not aspect. The introduction of terminology and concepts that are not formerly part of the...
by Stirling Bartholomew
August 14th, 2019, 7:05 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 75
Views: 13571

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

-what in the world does a "spatial verb" mean? This thread is somewhat hard to follow. It's like hearing a discussion between people from different galaxies all speaking Esperanto. There was a time roughly 20 years ago when I thought aspect was comprehensible. Recent discussion doesn't support that...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 24th, 2019, 2:33 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Athanasius Contra Gentes
Replies: 21
Views: 3101

Re: Athanasius Contra Gentes

The previous post uses a citation from Athanasius On The Incarnation . Here is a similar idea from Athanasius Contra Gentes. § 4.4 ὄντα δέ ἐστι τὰ καλά, οὐκ ὄντα δὲ τὰ φαῦλα. ὄντα δέ φημι τὰ καλά, καθότι ἐκ τοῦ ὄντος Θεοῦ τὰ παραδείγματα ἔχει· οὐκ ὄντα δὲ τὰ κακὰ λέγω, καθότι ἐπινοίαις ἀνθρώπων οὐκ ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 24th, 2019, 1:05 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Athanasius Contra Gentes
Replies: 21
Views: 3101

Re: Athanasius Contra Gentes

Athanasius Contra Gentes http://catholiclibrary.org/library/view?docId=Synchronized-OR/npnf.000085.gr.html;chunk.id=00000009;toc.id=00000005;brand=default § 4.5 Εἰ γὰρ φύσιν ἔχοντες τὸ μὴ εἶναί ποτε, τῇ τοῦ Λόγου παρουσίᾳ καὶ φιλανθρωπίᾳ εἰς τὸ εἶναι ἐκλήθησαν, ἀκόλουθον ἦν κενωθέντας τοὺς ἀνθρώπου...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 19th, 2019, 5:52 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 1:18 and Exodus 3:14 LXX
Replies: 8
Views: 1567

Re: John 1:18 and Exodus 3:14 LXX

More plausible is that the translators, possibly influenced by neo-Platonism , are giving an interpretive paraphrase to make it a statement of God's absolute existence. I have been reading statements like "... possibly influenced by neo-Platonism ..." for eons and rarely if ever does anyone explain...
by Stirling Bartholomew
July 19th, 2019, 4:38 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Athanasius Contra Gentes
Replies: 21
Views: 3101

Re: Athanasius Contra Gentes

This isn't a discussion of doctrine. I am looked for evidence that Athanasius is framing his discussion in a cognitive framework inherited from greek philosophy. In other words this is a question about semantics at the framework level. Very much a language issue. The contrast between the contemplati...

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