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by Stirling Bartholomew
December 8th, 2012, 2:34 pm
Forum: Pragmatics and Discourse
Topic: 1 Cor 14:8
Replies: 5
Views: 2681

Re: 1 Cor 14:8

I'm pondering 1 Corinthians 14:8's καὶ γὰρ ἐὰν. I'm wondering if καὶ = continuative + γὰρ = clarification + ἐὰν = introducing another protasis to be reflected upon is unnecessarily isolating each conjunction and overlooking the idiomatic? καὶ is a little more difficult. It might be understood as pl...
by Stirling Bartholomew
December 8th, 2012, 1:53 pm
Forum: Pragmatics and Discourse
Topic: 1 Cor 14:8
Replies: 5
Views: 2681

Re: 1 Cor 14:8

I'm pondering 1 Corinthians 14:8's καὶ γὰρ ἐὰν. I'm wondering if καὶ = continuative + γὰρ = clarification + ἐὰν = introducing another protasis to be reflected upon is unnecessarily isolating each conjunction and overlooking the idiomatic? No, I think it is helpful to look at each of these individua...
by Stirling Bartholomew
December 6th, 2012, 1:08 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Temporal Dative in John 2:20
Replies: 6
Views: 1371

Re: Temporal Dative in John 2:20

David Lim wrote:
Stirling Bartholomew wrote:τεσσεράκοντα is uninflected. So why are we calling it a dative?
"ἔτεσιν" is dative, so Stephen is referring to the whole "τεσσεράκοντα καὶ ἓξ ἔτεσιν" as dative.
Thanks David,

It helps to read the passage. :) I was seeing ἔτεσιν as ἐστιν.
by Stirling Bartholomew
December 5th, 2012, 5:30 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Temporal Dative in John 2:20
Replies: 6
Views: 1371

Re: Temporal Dative in John 2:20

εἶπαν οὖν οἱ Ἰουδαῖοι · τεσσεράκοντα καὶ ἓξ ἔτεσιν οἰκοδομήθη ὁ ναὸς οὗτος, καὶ σὺ ἐν τρισὶν ἡμέραις ἐγερεῖς; What's the meaning of the temporal dative τεσσεράκοντα καὶ ἓξ ἔτεσιν in John 2:20? Translations seem to be all over the map. The NRSV and NET have "This temple has been under construction f...
by Stirling Bartholomew
September 17th, 2012, 12:38 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: verbless conditional Gal. 3:18 what mood?
Replies: 13
Views: 3616

Re: verbless conditional Gal. 3:18 what mood?

No, I would say that neither Gal 3:19 nor 1 Cor 15:13, 16 is counter-factual. By definition counter-factual constructions are imaginary and hypothetical ... This discussion has taken an interesting turn. I have a follow on question. How do we identify contrary to fact conditionals in Koine? Do we d...
by Stirling Bartholomew
September 16th, 2012, 6:35 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: verbless conditional Gal. 3:18 what mood?
Replies: 13
Views: 3616

Re: verbless conditional Gal. 3:18 what mood?

No, I would say that neither Gal 3:19 nor 1 Cor 15:13, 16 is counter-factual. By definition counter-factual constructions are imaginary and hypothetical ... This discussion has taken an interesting turn. I have a follow on question. How do we identify contrary to fact conditionals in Koine? Do we d...
by Stirling Bartholomew
September 14th, 2012, 2:16 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: verbless conditional Gal. 3:18 what mood?
Replies: 13
Views: 3616

Re: verbless conditional Gal. 3:18 what mood?

Ok, the indicative is used in contrary to fact conditionals but this passage lacks verbs in both the protasis and apodosis. There is no ἂν in the apodosis. There is a follow on clause τῷ δὲ Ἀβραὰμ δι᾿ ἐπαγγελίας κεχάρισται ὁ θεός which contradicts the hypothetical scenario set out in the conditional...
by Stirling Bartholomew
September 13th, 2012, 2:54 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: verbless conditional Gal. 3:18 what mood?
Replies: 13
Views: 3616

verbless conditional Gal. 3:18 what mood?

Gal. 3:18 εἰ γὰρ ἐκ νόμου ἡ κληρονομία, οὐκέτι ἐξ ἐπαγγελίας· τῷ δὲ Ἀβραὰμ δι᾿ ἐπαγγελίας κεχάρισται ὁ θεός. The protasis εἰ ... ἐκ νόμου ἡ κληρονομία is assumed to be false and is only stated so it can be shot down. The apodosis οὐκέτι ἐξ ἐπαγγελίας leads right into a contrary statement τῷ δὲ Ἀβραὰ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
September 12th, 2012, 2:22 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Passages with Historic Present
Replies: 6
Views: 1141

Re: Passages with Historic Present

Here's a work around if you have Accordance software. Search for all "presents" in the GNT. This will give you all the verses with the presents highlighted. Choose an English NT (ESV, etc) as a parallel version. Copy and paste your results into two columns (one for the Greek and one for the English...
by Stirling Bartholomew
September 12th, 2012, 11:58 am
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Jane Harper, Carbondale, IL
Replies: 1
Views: 1770

Re: Jane Harper, Carbondale, IL

Jane,

I remember you from b-greek late 90s! You attended Fuller SF for a while before going to Pacific School of Religion, right?
Did you also study greek there?

C. Stirling Bartholomew

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