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by Stirling Bartholomew
June 30th, 2019, 2:01 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: Col. 1:15
Replies: 8
Views: 1842

Re: Col. 1:15

"ὅς ἐστιν εἰκὼν τοῦ θεοῦ τοῦ ἀοράτου, πρωτότοκος πάσης κτίσεως," Is this a Genitive of subordination or a Genitive Partitive? Neither. It is an "adnominal genitive." Search the archives for a discussion. τοῦ θεοῦ τοῦ ἀοράτου qualifies the noun εἰκὼν. πάσης κτίσεως qualifies the substantive πρωτότοκ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
June 29th, 2019, 7:07 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Doctrina Jacobi
Replies: 6
Views: 1076

Re: Doctrina Jacobi

My curiosity is aroused. I did my own hunting. It seems that the text by Dagron et Deroche was published in 1991 in Travaux et Mémoires vol. 11 -- a journal(?) focussed on Byzantine studies. Is that the book you got your hands on; i.e. a republication of the lengthy 1991 article (pages 47-229). I f...
by Stirling Bartholomew
June 29th, 2019, 2:56 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Doctrina Jacobi
Replies: 6
Views: 1076

Doctrina Jacobi

For little little over a year I have been reading Greek texts that provide a record of early contact between Islam and Christianity. Doctrina Jacobi is one of these. Finding resources has been challenging. After an initial failure to obtain a library copy of Title: Juifs et chrétiens dans l’Orient [...
by Stirling Bartholomew
June 25th, 2019, 11:03 am
Forum: Greek Language and Linguistics
Topic: Jonly Joihin - Thesis on δε
Replies: 6
Views: 1232

Re: Jonly Joihin - Thesis on δε

In the last fifty years some of the people who study of biblical languages have very gradually embraced some aspects of "modern linguistics" and there has developed over that time what you might call a foundation myth for "modern linguistics" among biblical scholars that gets told and retold over an...
by Stirling Bartholomew
June 24th, 2019, 2:32 pm
Forum: Greek Language and Linguistics
Topic: Jonly Joihin - Thesis on δε
Replies: 6
Views: 1232

Re: Jonly Joihin - Thesis on δε

From the thesis, page 70 (pdf 82): From the survey of Classical and Koine Greek grammars and lexica, there are two opposing views of δέ due to the different approaches: traditional (historicalcomparative) and discourse linguistic grammar. The traditional grammars and lexica of both Classical and Koi...
by Stirling Bartholomew
June 18th, 2019, 2:32 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Athanasius Contra Gentes
Replies: 21
Views: 3101

Re: Athanasius Contra Gentes

μόνον οὐ all but, well nigh Now that it"s pointed out, it's so obvious. "Only not/short of". Greek word order does create meaning other than discourse effect. Right. I can't be bothered to use my hard copies of LSJ and Lampe and I was trying to read Contra Gentes w/o using a computer. That may be a...
by Stirling Bartholomew
June 18th, 2019, 2:06 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Athanasius Contra Gentes
Replies: 21
Views: 3101

Re: Athanasius Contra Gentes

I have moved on to section 1.2 which has some ambiguities. § 1.2 ποθοῦντι δέ σοι ὅμως τὰ περὶ ταύτης ἀκοῦσαι, φέρε, ὦ μακάριε, ὡς ἂν οἷοί τε ὦμεν, ὀλίγα τῆς κατὰ Χριστὸν πίστεως ἐκθώμεθα, δυναμένῳ μέν σοι καὶ ἀπὸ τῶν θείων λογίων ταύτην εὑρεῖν, φιλοκάλως δὲ ὅμως καὶ παρ' ἑτέρων ἀκούοντι. § 1.2 Still...
by Stirling Bartholomew
June 18th, 2019, 11:41 am
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Athanasius Contra Gentes
Replies: 21
Views: 3101

Re: Athanasius Contra Gentes

Stirling, I'm hoping to have a closer look at the Greek in the future but I've stumbled across this online English translation: https://www.elpenor.org/athanasius/contra-gentes.asp . The translation appears identical to the one you tentatively attributed to Robinson. But, according to the website, ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
June 17th, 2019, 4:13 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Athanasius Contra Gentes
Replies: 21
Views: 3101

Athanasius Contra Gentes

Having recently completed a year long study of Athanasius De Incarnatione I spent a few days constructing a section by section (1.1 ... 47.4) diglot of Contra Gentes . My first pass at section 1 last week wasn't too bad. Something changed and now I am having difficulty with it. This morning the very...
by Stirling Bartholomew
June 17th, 2019, 8:55 am
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: Help for a translation
Replies: 15
Views: 2115

Re: Help for a translation

This doesn't appear in any ancient source I could identify. Perhaps a made up sentence in some unpublished source.

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