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by Stirling Bartholomew
September 17th, 2012, 12:38 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: verbless conditional Gal. 3:18 what mood?
Replies: 13
Views: 3265

Re: verbless conditional Gal. 3:18 what mood?

No, I would say that neither Gal 3:19 nor 1 Cor 15:13, 16 is counter-factual. By definition counter-factual constructions are imaginary and hypothetical ... This discussion has taken an interesting turn. I have a follow on question. How do we identify contrary to fact conditionals in Koine? Do we d...
by Stirling Bartholomew
September 16th, 2012, 6:35 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: verbless conditional Gal. 3:18 what mood?
Replies: 13
Views: 3265

Re: verbless conditional Gal. 3:18 what mood?

No, I would say that neither Gal 3:19 nor 1 Cor 15:13, 16 is counter-factual. By definition counter-factual constructions are imaginary and hypothetical ... This discussion has taken an interesting turn. I have a follow on question. How do we identify contrary to fact conditionals in Koine? Do we d...
by Stirling Bartholomew
September 14th, 2012, 2:16 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: verbless conditional Gal. 3:18 what mood?
Replies: 13
Views: 3265

Re: verbless conditional Gal. 3:18 what mood?

Ok, the indicative is used in contrary to fact conditionals but this passage lacks verbs in both the protasis and apodosis. There is no ἂν in the apodosis. There is a follow on clause τῷ δὲ Ἀβραὰμ δι᾿ ἐπαγγελίας κεχάρισται ὁ θεός which contradicts the hypothetical scenario set out in the conditional...
by Stirling Bartholomew
September 13th, 2012, 2:54 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: verbless conditional Gal. 3:18 what mood?
Replies: 13
Views: 3265

verbless conditional Gal. 3:18 what mood?

Gal. 3:18 εἰ γὰρ ἐκ νόμου ἡ κληρονομία, οὐκέτι ἐξ ἐπαγγελίας· τῷ δὲ Ἀβραὰμ δι᾿ ἐπαγγελίας κεχάρισται ὁ θεός. The protasis εἰ ... ἐκ νόμου ἡ κληρονομία is assumed to be false and is only stated so it can be shot down. The apodosis οὐκέτι ἐξ ἐπαγγελίας leads right into a contrary statement τῷ δὲ Ἀβραὰ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
September 12th, 2012, 2:22 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Passages with Historic Present
Replies: 6
Views: 988

Re: Passages with Historic Present

Here's a work around if you have Accordance software. Search for all "presents" in the GNT. This will give you all the verses with the presents highlighted. Choose an English NT (ESV, etc) as a parallel version. Copy and paste your results into two columns (one for the Greek and one for the English...
by Stirling Bartholomew
September 12th, 2012, 11:58 am
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Jane Harper, Carbondale, IL
Replies: 1
Views: 1601

Re: Jane Harper, Carbondale, IL

Jane,

I remember you from b-greek late 90s! You attended Fuller SF for a while before going to Pacific School of Religion, right?
Did you also study greek there?

C. Stirling Bartholomew
by Stirling Bartholomew
September 4th, 2012, 2:05 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: ANGELO of Rev 2:1
Replies: 29
Views: 6051

Re: ANGELO of Rev 2:1

I totally agree with Iver. It isn't possible grammatically.
by Stirling Bartholomew
September 3rd, 2012, 7:13 pm
Forum: Seen on the Web
Topic: "The Future of Ancient Greek"
Replies: 2
Views: 815

Re: "The Future of Ancient Greek"

Carl, I think that future has arrived at least for some. My nephew recently studied both greek and hebrew at some very well known seminary in So Cal where their work was almost entirely with Accordance or some equivalent on the other platform. I was hoping this was a thread on The Future (tense aspe...
by Stirling Bartholomew
August 21st, 2012, 5:50 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: John 20:21 -- ἀποστέλλω vs πέμπω
Replies: 22
Views: 5994

Re: John 20:21 -- ἀποστέλλω vs πέμπω

In view of the ipsissima verba of the text,(i.e. καθὼς ... με, κἀγὼ ... ὑμᾶς)I don't see how there can be any doubt that the author intended these words to be understood as synonymous here. But apart from that indicator, there are other instances of synonymy within John's gospel (notable esp. in ch...
by Stirling Bartholomew
August 15th, 2012, 2:01 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Ephesians 2.8
Replies: 8
Views: 2400

Re: Ephesians 2.8

I just noticed πίστεως is in the gen-sg-fem (Case-Number-Gender), while τοῦτο is in the nom-sg-neuter, so the antecedant of τοῦτο can't be πίστεως (since the pronoun must match its antecedant in Number-Gender). "Substantivized neuter singular pronouns, both demonstrative and relative may be used wi...

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