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by Roy Fredrick
October 23rd, 2012, 6:45 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Mat 6:13 Who is addressed?
Replies: 20
Views: 5140

Re: Mat 6:13 Who is addressed?

Here are the words for save or rescue: σωτηρίας deliverance rescue, salvatίon, saving δικάζω δίκαιος δικαίως fair, right δικαίωση vindicate (as vindication), in the sense 'deliver, rescue' σωτηρίας deliverance rescue, salvatίon, saving εθεραπεύσεν θεραπεύω salvage, heal, doctor, treat, remedy, cure...
by Roy Fredrick
October 23rd, 2012, 9:01 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Mat 6:13 Who is addressed?
Replies: 20
Views: 5140

Re: Mat 6:13 Who is addressed?

Sir, may I remind you that source is from the Greek and not just from STRONG/THAYER? We know how our very familiarity with Scriptural language is apt to blind us to its full significance! A Grammar of New Testament Greek. Vol. I. Prolegomena, by James Hope Moulton. I am not trying to offend you, but...
by Roy Fredrick
October 22nd, 2012, 11:08 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Mat 6:13 Who is addressed?
Replies: 20
Views: 5140

Re: Mat 6:13 Who is addressed?

First of all, the citation from M&M (of which I also have a copy, thank you) does not support what you are trying to say. Read it carefully – it does not link the imperative ῥῦσαι in the Lord's prayer with the noun ῤύσις that is derived from ῤέω. Secondly, if you have another look at L&S, you'll se...
by Roy Fredrick
October 21st, 2012, 3:14 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Mat 6:13 Who is addressed?
Replies: 20
Views: 5140

Re: Mat 6:13 Who is addressed?

Let me point out that nothing in the Greek particularly leads us to this particular, ah, theological, conclusion. Please restrict your comments specifically to the Greek texts. For your edification, here is BDAG on ῥύομαι, and comment below that:You are apparently confusing this with ῥέω, a differe...
by Roy Fredrick
October 21st, 2012, 8:28 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Mat 6:13 Who is addressed?
Replies: 20
Views: 5140

Re: Mat 6:13 Who is addressed?

Who draws as a current to oneself,? that is of course the Πάτερ ἡμῶν Sorry I can't figure out what you are trying to say in any of your posts. Can you say what you mean clearly? Thanks, yes, what it is saying is that God is the flowing Spirit of waters, a current that draws you into His flowing por...
by Roy Fredrick
October 20th, 2012, 10:33 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Mat 6:13 Who is addressed?
Replies: 20
Views: 5140

Re: Mat 6:13 Who is addressed?

It is unwise to read one verse in isolation from its context. Here the context is the entire prayer which Jesus inculcates into his disciples Πάτερ ἡμῶν ὁ ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς· ἁγιασθήτω … ἐλθέτω … γενηθήτω … καὶ ἄφες … καὶ μὴ εἰσενέγκῃς … ἀλλὰ ῥῦσαι … Each petition is addressed to the same subject, Πά...
by Roy Fredrick
October 19th, 2012, 10:53 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Luk 11:8 ἀναίδεια
Replies: 3
Views: 2260

Re: Luk 11:8 ἀναίδεια

The meaning of the phrase τὴν ἀναίδειαν αὐτοῦ in Luk 11:8 is disputed for two reasons. It is not clear who the αὐτοῦ refers to and the exact meaning of ἀναίδειαν here is disputed. Let me quote the whole of verse 8: λέγω ὑμῖν, εἰ καὶ οὐ δώσει αὐτῷ ἀναστὰς διὰ τὸ εἶναι φίλον αὐτοῦ, διά γε τὴν ἀναίδει...
by Roy Fredrick
October 17th, 2012, 3:24 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Mat 6:13 Who is addressed?
Replies: 20
Views: 5140

Mat 6:13 Who is addressed?

Mat 6:13 καὶ μὴ εἰσενέγκῃς ἡμᾶς εἰς πειρασμόν,ἀλλὰ ῥῦσαι ἡμᾶς ἀπὸ τοῦ πονηροῦ. πειρασμός tempting ME: from OFr. tempter 'to test', from L. temptare 'handle, test, try'. ἐκπειράζω Mat 6:13 And bring in us not to tempting , but flow [draw as a current to oneself] us from the wicked 1Co 10:9; Luk 22:40...
by Roy Fredrick
October 17th, 2012, 10:49 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Matt 26:71
Replies: 8
Views: 1060

Re: Matt 26:71

It wouldn't be an absolute because the subject of the participle is the object of the main verb. The sentence looks unremarkable to me. "Another servant girl saw him go out to the gate and said to those who were there..." Mat 26:71 ἐξελθόντα δὲ εἰς τὸν πυλῶνα εἶδεν αὐτὸν ἄλλη καὶ λέγει τοῖς ἐκεῖ· ο...
by Roy Fredrick
October 16th, 2012, 10:31 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: Matt 2:18 ὅτι οὐκ εἰσίν ... historical present?
Replies: 30
Views: 6850

Re: Matt 2:18 ὅτι οὐκ εἰσίν ... historical present?

In linguistics and rhetoric, the historical present refers to the employment of the present tense when narrating past events. Besides its use in writing about history, especially in historical chronicles (Huddleston & Pullum 2002: 129-131)(Leech 2002: 7). All you have to do is read Jer 31:17 which i...

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