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by R. Perkins
January 15th, 2018, 12:45 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
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Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

[ Excellent! Incidentally, would y’all say that Robertson’s Grammar (Light from Ancient East) is still relative to biblical Greek in light of the Egyptian papyri? My Greek Proff. said yes since “we would all still be using Robertson if it weren’t for Dr. Wallace (& I would add Mounce, Carson, et al...
by R. Perkins
January 15th, 2018, 12:02 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 6027

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

I said, "“From what I understand (again, I am only Greek II), it's important to remember that in substantive uses of the participle, the idea of time or even aspect is rather in the background. And this is a substantival participle, functioning as a noun, and that's really all it does. It isn't acti...
by R. Perkins
January 14th, 2018, 11:46 pm
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 6027

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

Thank you all very much. Will take some time to digest this, and, I'm not attempting to drag this out, but am really trying to grapple w. this text. I actually just read a supposed exegetical refutation to some of the grammatical assertions made here that - if okay - I would like to glean your respo...
by R. Perkins
January 14th, 2018, 6:18 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 6027

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

A lot to soak in here. I have BDF in book form (wish I had the software), but, a bit intense for a (just beginning) Greek II student. Again, I find I have to read each portion slowly & several times to grasp it (& then reread it many times for the concept to sink in fully). Just to clarify - Jonath...
by R. Perkins
January 13th, 2018, 3:28 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 6027

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

But, slowly sinking in (as seems to be the case in general w. Greek for me)! That's how you learn languages. They sink in slowly over time. I think these two sections of Funk might be helpful, providing many more examples: THE PARTICIPLE IN NOMINAL WORD CLUSTERS THE CIRCUMSTANTIAL (ADVERBIAL) PARTI...
by R. Perkins
January 12th, 2018, 6:10 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 6027

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

That is, when I come to a specific text how would I tell if the participle is functioning substantivally or verbally? It's usually obvious when a participle is functioning as a noun or an adjective because it's part of a noun phrase, and it occurs where you would expect to find a noun or an adjecti...
by R. Perkins
January 11th, 2018, 7:36 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 6027

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

On what textual basis are y'all asserting that the aorist participle πέμψαντός is modifying ποιῶ and not καταβέβηκα? That is, when I come to a specific text how would I tell if the participle is functioning substantivally or verbally? I think nobody said it is "modifying" ποιῶ. "τοῦ πέμψαντός με" w...
by R. Perkins
January 11th, 2018, 12:39 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 6027

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

If I'm trekking along w. you then you're saying that πέμψαντός is explicating ποιῶ - not καταβέβηκα - in this passage (?). Yes. If my understanding is correct, doesn't the participle derive it's time (in the indic. mood) or aktionsart from that of the main verb (which in this v. is καταβέβηκα)? I r...
by R. Perkins
January 10th, 2018, 2:02 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 6027

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

It's important to remember that in substantive uses of the participle, the idea of time or even aspect is rather in the background. The emphasis is on describing the referent in terms of the action of the verb, "the one having sent" or "the who sent." If you think about it, though, logically, the a...
by R. Perkins
January 10th, 2018, 1:55 am
Forum: What does this text mean?
Topic: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?
Replies: 32
Views: 6027

Re: πέμψαντός in J. 6.38?

Not sure where to place this, but, just have a question about this verse if allowed. Good question! ὅτι καταβέβηκα ἀπὸ τοῦ οὐρανοῦ οὐχ ἵνα ⸁ποιῶ τὸ θέλημα τὸ ἐμὸν ἀλλὰ τὸ θέλημα τοῦ πέμψαντός με (NA28). After hearing an assertion made about the aorist participle in this passage, I have spent a coup...

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