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by Eeli Kaikkonen
July 14th, 2020, 4:17 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 73
Views: 4603

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

page 114. Dr Katz observes that the omission of the Article with proper Prepositions is good Greek; and he suggests that the determination of a noun by a Preposition only is a survival of a primitive stage before the use of the Article had become general. This is interesting. To me it looks like a ...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
July 13th, 2020, 12:22 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 73
Views: 4603

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

Are you going to review N. Turner? (Vol 3 of the 4 part Moulton.) He has over half a page of dense text about Absense of Article after Prepositions. He cites non-Biblical sources and notably compares with classical, the main point being that "Such phrases may be formulae inherited from a pre-articul...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
July 12th, 2020, 2:53 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 73
Views: 4603

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

νεκρός has a special status as a cultural universal. When used in the plural it generally doesn't require referential disambiguation. This has implications which need to be taken into account when trying to figure out what the lack of the article means. By saying this you have given a possible expl...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
July 12th, 2020, 5:31 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 73
Views: 4603

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

What Porter does is set up a distinction between particularity=specificity and non-particularity/qualitativeness=categorical as important and then states that the Greek article does not encode this distinction! Porter 1992:105 wrote: This formulation illustrates that in Greek the presence or absenc...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
July 11th, 2020, 10:12 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 73
Views: 4603

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

By "different rules" I of course mean rules for using the article.

EDIT: the time window for editing an existing post is too short, I wanted to add to my previous post. Stephen's message appeared to me after I submitted this one.
by Eeli Kaikkonen
July 11th, 2020, 4:58 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 73
Views: 4603

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

Here's a question, not directly related to any statement in these grammars: We are talking about prepositions. Prepositions occur only with oblique cases. But oblique cases occur also without prepositions. Are these occurrences governed by different rules even though an oblique case with a prepositi...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
July 9th, 2020, 1:39 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 73
Views: 4603

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

The Cambridge Grammar of Classical Greek (2019, p. 328 ff.) is a bit clearer with the article in general. Meaning: * "The article is 'definite' because it refers to someone/something that is identifiable." * Reasons for identifiability: ** mentioned before ** obvious from the context or made specifi...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
July 9th, 2020, 10:00 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 73
Views: 4603

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

I think it's quite stretch to say it means anything other than what English means by "the dead." I didn't say that or think that. It's not about what it "means" (whatever that means). The referent is certainly the same -- all the dead people. But think about it this way: we have verbs and they have...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
July 9th, 2020, 7:11 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 73
Views: 4603

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

I am not sure that descriptive grammar needs to go deeply into "why." Why the article is "frequently" omitted in prepositional phrases is an interesting question, but that it happens is even more important to one learning the language. How much the descriptive statements can be separated from "why"...
by Eeli Kaikkonen
July 9th, 2020, 5:04 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects
Replies: 73
Views: 4603

Re: Greek Grammars on the Articulation of Prepositional Objects

Interesting example is "out of water", "from water". * Exodus 2:10 (LXX; versification from RSV etc.) * Matthew 3:16 * Mark 1:10 * John 3:5 * Acts 8:39 * II Peter 3:5 * Revelation 8:11 * II Samuel 22:17 / Psalms 8:16 * Psalms 69:14 * Psalms 144:7 * Ezekiel 31:5 Why would this be interesting? They lo...

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