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by Thomas Dolhanty
December 22nd, 2014, 1:51 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 3,32 ὃ ἑώρακεν καὶ ἤκουσεν - question on tenses
Replies: 12
Views: 2234

Re: John 3,32 ὃ ἑώρακεν καὶ ἤκουσεν - question on tenses

As a footnote to the data listed above : - The reason that Romans 14:14 did not appear in the first list is that I did not control for other-than active <=> active combinations when searching for perfect και perfect Here are the active <=> non-active combinations : middle/passive with active Mark 1:...
by Thomas Dolhanty
December 21st, 2014, 6:20 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 3,32 ὃ ἑώρακεν καὶ ἤκουσεν - question on tenses
Replies: 12
Views: 2234

Re: John 3,32 ὃ ἑώρακεν καὶ ἤκουσεν - question on tenses

Yes. The parameter is perfect indicative active followed by perfect indicative active with no more than 3 words in between . The number of hits is 36 (41 was with a slightly different parameter). Here are the references (Please excuse the "wrote". I don't know how to get rid of it): Jn. 1:26, 34, Jn...
by Thomas Dolhanty
December 21st, 2014, 2:08 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 3,32 ὃ ἑώρακεν καὶ ἤκουσεν - question on tenses
Replies: 12
Views: 2234

Re: John 3,32 ὃ ἑώρακεν καὶ ἤκουσεν - question on tenses

From my quick Bibleworks scan, this perfect-aorist combination certainly does not seem very common - at least in the NT. I searched for all perfects, followed within a couple of words by an aorist, and then sifted through the 42 hits. Besides the two discussed: ὃ ἑώρακεν καὶ ἤκουσεν τοῦτο μαρτυρεῖ, ...
by Thomas Dolhanty
December 21st, 2014, 11:09 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 3,32 ὃ ἑώρακεν καὶ ἤκουσεν - question on tenses
Replies: 12
Views: 2234

Re: John 3,32 ὃ ἑώρακεν καὶ ἤκουσεν - question on tenses

I think it's very difficult to know, with any certainty, why a writer chose one form over another, and the statistical analysis in this thread is based on very little data. Agreed and agreed. I guess I just expect the tense forms to match unless there's a distinction in meaning or emphasis, especia...
by Thomas Dolhanty
December 21st, 2014, 1:54 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 3,32 ὃ ἑώρακεν καὶ ἤκουσεν - question on tenses
Replies: 12
Views: 2234

Re: John 3,32 ὃ ἑώρακεν καὶ ἤκουσεν - question on tenses

I do find it a bit surprising though that, at least by my count, ἀκούω never occurs in the perfect singular in the New Testament, even though that form is not uncommon in the LXX and seems called for here. Here is my count: ἀκούω perfect – distribution by person ---------NT ---- LXX 1 sg --- 0 -----...
by Thomas Dolhanty
December 19th, 2014, 8:17 pm
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: Prompts for teaching verbs
Replies: 12
Views: 2266

Re: Prompts for teaching verbs

Both Paul and Stephen have given us a lot of really great ideas here ...
Yes, indeed - and Jonathan. I'm casting about for some ideas to break up and enhance the introduction of verbs after Christmas. I've made some notes here. Thank you all.
by Thomas Dolhanty
December 19th, 2014, 4:28 pm
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: The Grammar-Translation Method
Replies: 9
Views: 3358

Re: The Grammar-Translation Method

In all of that they key was rapid reading of extensive Greek texts, with constant paging of LSJ and Blass-Debrunner (in German) and Moulton-Howard-Turner. C. F. D. Moule's work on the Greek of the NT was one grammar one could use for bed-time reading. I also liked Radermacher's German grammar in th...
by Thomas Dolhanty
December 19th, 2014, 12:57 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 3,32 ὃ ἑώρακεν καὶ ἤκουσεν - question on tenses
Replies: 12
Views: 2234

Re: John 3,32 ὃ ἑώρακεν καὶ ἤκουσεν - question on tenses

C. K. Barrett concludes that "it is does not seem possible to distinguish between the perfect and the aorist", and dismisses BDF's attempt to do so: Barrett “It does not seem possible to distinguish between the perfect and the aorist. For an attempt to do so see B.D., 342, where it is argued that th...
by Thomas Dolhanty
December 18th, 2014, 10:07 pm
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: The Grammar-Translation Method
Replies: 9
Views: 3358

Re: The Grammar-Translation Method

I was in a small town far from a centre where Koine Greek was taught, when I took up the task. I had nothing but TIME and I knew of no other route than the G/T one. I started with Mounce, and after getting through that, I added many other resources - Bibleworks, audio files, Wallace, Robertson, BDAG...
by Thomas Dolhanty
December 17th, 2014, 12:11 am
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Happy to be here!
Replies: 4
Views: 954

Re: Happy to be here!

Thank you, Shirley. I like your lower-upper case flip. I definitely will take a look at your online book. I am in the midst of teaching a first year group using Mounce. We have done well through the fall with the nouns, using Mounce with some enrichment from Croy and elsewhere. I am casting about ri...

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