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by Scott Lawson
April 15th, 2012, 12:04 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Verbs of saying in the Imperative
Replies: 40
Views: 8891

Re: Verbs of saying in the Imperative

Scott Lawson wrote:However he does also list four occurences of the perfect imperative and yet leaves out σιώπα which Robertson includes. Why?
Ahh....I see where my mistake is. σιώπα is actually a present imperative. I didn't look close enough at what Robertson said on page 908, 4, lines 13-15.
by Scott Lawson
April 15th, 2012, 11:31 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Verbs of saying in the Imperative
Replies: 40
Views: 8891

Re: Verbs of saying in the Imperative

Recently, I've been hanging out in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, rubbin' shoulders with Robertson and Smyth and David's question on aspect jerked me back to the good old 21st century where I shook hands again with Mounce, Wallace and Campbell. Guess what! They connect aspect with the imper...
by Scott Lawson
April 12th, 2012, 10:05 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Verbs of saying in the Imperative
Replies: 40
Views: 8891

Re: Verbs of saying in the Imperative

Is there anyone who believes the imperative is non-temporal that thinks its choice might reflect the type of action that the user/writer desires to see?
by Scott Lawson
April 12th, 2012, 9:22 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Verbs of saying in the Imperative
Replies: 40
Views: 8891

Re: Verbs of saying in the Imperative

Here you say that the perfect imperative is durative but later you say that it is constative. But nevermind I think it is neither. Hmmm....I'm not sure who's confused here...Robertson or Smyth. .... Oh! It just occurred to me that maybe I was confused! Let's go with durative! :D Or, maybe it could ...
by Scott Lawson
April 12th, 2012, 9:02 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Verbs of saying in the Imperative
Replies: 40
Views: 8891

Re: Verbs of saying in the Imperative

Scott Lawson wrote:
David Lim wrote:Here you say that the perfect imperative is durative but later you say that it is constative. But nevermind I think it is neither.
Hmmm....I'm not sure who's confused here...Robertson or Smyth. ....
Oh! It just occurred to me that maybe I was confused! Let's go with durative! :D
by Scott Lawson
April 12th, 2012, 8:55 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Verbs of saying in the Imperative
Replies: 40
Views: 8891

Re: Verbs of saying in the Imperative

Here you say that the perfect imperative is durative but later you say that it is constative. But nevermind I think it is neither. Hmmm....I'm not sure who's confused here...Robertson or Smyth. There is only one more perfect imperative in the NT (James 1:19) and it seems to me to be durative. I'm s...
by Scott Lawson
April 11th, 2012, 11:48 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Verbs of saying in the Imperative
Replies: 40
Views: 8891

Re: Verbs of saying in the Imperative

David, Regarding the kinds of action (Aktionsart) of the imperative I understand it to be: Present tense form = durative Aorist tense form = punctiliar or ingressive Perfect tense form = constative As per Smyth: Present λέγε = tell (go on and tell in detail) Aorist εἰπέ = state (in a word) Perfect ε...
by Scott Lawson
April 11th, 2012, 10:10 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Verbs of saying in the Imperative
Replies: 40
Views: 8891

Re: Verbs of saying in the Imperative

David,

Be silent, Put the muzzle on and keep it on. σιώπα, πεφίμωσο...Mark 4:39. The action is durative. Be in good health. ἔρρωσο Acts 23:30 Text. Rec.

The perfect imperative is rare in the N.T. and the action is durative.
by Scott Lawson
April 11th, 2012, 9:19 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Verbs of saying in the Imperative
Replies: 40
Views: 8891

Re: Verbs of saying in the Imperative

David Lim wrote:From where did you get the idea that there is aspect in the imperative?
David, I don't believe I said aspect.
by Scott Lawson
April 11th, 2012, 9:11 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Verbs of saying in the Imperative
Replies: 40
Views: 8891

Re: Verbs of saying in the Imperative

David,
Τὴν ἀρχὴν ὅτι καὶ λαλῶ ὑμῖν :D

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