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by Scott Lawson
April 11th, 2012, 12:43 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Verbs of saying in the Imperative
Replies: 40
Views: 8787

Re: Verbs of saying in the Imperative

David, I am eager to respond but I have one hand stuck down a sewer pipe and won't be able to respond as well as I'd like...but if time is not a factor in non-indicative moods what is? Notice also the sigmatic forms of the aorist imperative lack the augment. See also my reference to Smyth. I thought...
by Scott Lawson
April 11th, 2012, 10:05 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Verbs of saying in the Imperative
Replies: 40
Views: 8787

Re: Verbs of saying in the Imperative

Scott Lawson wrote:
David Lim wrote:Scott Lawson wrote:
Μὴ αποκρίθητε. Λογίζομαι γάρ απόκρισις καὶ ἐλπίζω ἀυτή λεγεῖν ὑμῖν.
Just as with English, I speak more Greek than I understand! :D
And there's plenty more self depreciation where that came from! :D
by Scott Lawson
April 11th, 2012, 8:50 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Verbs of saying in the Imperative
Replies: 40
Views: 8787

Re: Verbs of saying in the Imperative

David Lim wrote:Scott Lawson wrote:
Μὴ αποκρίθητε. Λογίζομαι γάρ απόκρισις καὶ ἐλπίζω ἀυτή λεγεῖν ὑμῖν.
Just as with English, I speak more Greek than I understand! :D
by Scott Lawson
April 11th, 2012, 8:25 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Verbs of saying in the Imperative
Replies: 40
Views: 8787

Re: Verbs of saying in the Imperative

Yeah I was afraid that was happening...I didn't want a response until I finished working out an answer.
The only difference in the imperative is Aktionsart. (ingressive or punctiliar aorist or durative imperfect)
by Scott Lawson
April 11th, 2012, 1:37 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Verbs of saying in the Imperative
Replies: 40
Views: 8787

Re: Verbs of saying in the Imperative

I guess I haven’t yet answered my question, whether the author chooses the time/tense of the verb of what is to be said before he chooses the form of the Imperative he will use or vice versa. It seems to me that when giving a command, whether positive or negative, one first has in mind the action de...
by Scott Lawson
April 8th, 2012, 8:49 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Verbs of saying in the Imperative
Replies: 40
Views: 8787

Re: Verbs of saying in the Imperative

The imperative always implies future time or so says Smyth. Cf. 1864. The tenses, however, only denote Aktionsart. Since it is Aktionsart and not time that is in view in the imperative it would seem to follow that it is not necessarily time that is in view in the presentation of the obeyed command. ...
by Scott Lawson
April 8th, 2012, 3:24 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Verbs of saying in the Imperative
Replies: 40
Views: 8787

Re: Verbs of saying in the Imperative

Μὴ αποκρίθητε. Λογίζομαι γάρ απόκρισις καὶ ἐλπίζω ἀυτή λεγεῖν ὑμῖν.

I welcome corrections to my Greek though.

Scott
by Scott Lawson
April 4th, 2012, 11:49 pm
Forum: Word Meanings
Topic: Metaphorical Extensions of ἐγγύς
Replies: 5
Views: 1308

Re: Metaphorical Extensions of ἐγγύς

Hmm...but don't the same questions apply equally to:

"Notice how precise he's being on the issue. He says Ἐν τῇ ἀπεκδύσει. He did not say, ἐκδύσει."

Did Paul coin the term ἀπέκδυσις? The terms seem close (ἐγγύς)
in meaning perhaps just more vigorous with ἀπέκδυσις.
by Scott Lawson
April 4th, 2012, 11:35 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Verbs of saying in the Imperative
Replies: 40
Views: 8787

Verbs of saying in the Imperative

This question springs, of course, from Stephen Carlson's post: Mark 11:3...ἐίπατε (Aorist Imperative of ἔπω) Ὁ κύριος αὐτοῦ χρείαν ἔχει, καὶ εὐθὺς αὐτὸν ἀποστέλλει πάλιν ὧδε. Here the Imperative is in the Aorist construction with ἀποστέλλει in the present tense. Matt. 21:3 ...ἐρεῖτε (Future ἐρῶ) ὅτι...
by Scott Lawson
April 4th, 2012, 10:21 pm
Forum: Word Meanings
Topic: Metaphorical Extensions of ἐγγύς
Replies: 5
Views: 1308

Re: Metaphorical Extensions of ἐγγύς

Mike,
Please forgive both my boldness and ignorance. Why couldn't it be:

Ὅρα πῶς ἐγγὺς γίνεται τοῦ πράγματος. Ἐν τῇ ἀπεκδύσει, φησίν. Οὐκ εἶπεν, ἐκδύσει.
Look how close it comes to the (actual) deed! He says, stripping off. He did not say removing.

Scott

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