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by Jonathan Robie
August 6th, 2019, 4:44 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 75
Views: 21822

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

2. Students sometimes think that because the discussions keep continuing in NT Greek forums that there is reliable support for the aspect-only theory as a viable theory. Actually, that "support" is based on carefully picked starting hypotheses plus an echo-chamber effect (that has not adequately an...
by Jonathan Robie
August 6th, 2019, 4:12 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 75
Views: 21822

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

Here are Campbell's examples from Basics of Verbal Aspect in Biblical Greek: Future Aorist More commonly, the aorist tense-form may be used in future-referring contexts. Two of these are straightforward. Mark 11:24 διὰ τοῦτο λέγω ὑμῖν, πάντα ὅσα προσεύχεσθε καὶ αἰτεῖσθε, πιστεύετε ὅτι ἐλάβετε , καὶ...
by Jonathan Robie
August 4th, 2019, 3:31 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 75
Views: 21822

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

The author's counter to that was an appeal to Porter and his tenseless Greek verb theory. !!! SNIP !!! And as crank as I believe this whole thesis to be; it does give me pause, because I haven't adequately explored this particular issue. I'd like to find a way to test this theory based on grammar a...
by Jonathan Robie
August 3rd, 2019, 6:11 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 75
Views: 21822

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

Eeli Kaikkonen wrote:
August 3rd, 2019, 5:52 pm
It's dangerous to interpret Porter without further context, but I wonder how he can translate it with English continuous tense ("are seeking") if aspect is important.
I assume that Porter is (correctly) treating ἐζήτουν as imperfect, which would have a continuous aspect.
by Jonathan Robie
August 3rd, 2019, 6:06 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 75
Views: 21822

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

Let me look at what he calls the clearest example: Here's the excerpt that discusses the use of proleptic aorist (restricted to the sense of emphasizing the completeness of a future event): Perhaps the clearest example is Jude 1:14: ...ἰδοὺ ἦλθεν κύριος ἐν ἁγίαις μυριάσιν αὐτοῦ (behold, the Lord is ...
by Jonathan Robie
August 3rd, 2019, 4:55 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 75
Views: 21822

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

The thing is: Everyone knew about examples like these before 1989 and everyone knew that there was a coersion of temporal reference in them. Grammars talked about them regularly, but just put them in different categories. The only thing that Porter really did was provide a different explanation for...
by Jonathan Robie
August 3rd, 2019, 4:26 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 75
Views: 21822

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

Constantine Campbell (Advances in the Study of Greek, pg 122) states the following regarding "Future Aorist", but provides no examples: "Perfective aspect with any lexeme in a present referring context can implicate a future aorist. More common than the present aorist, this is another special funct...
by Jonathan Robie
August 3rd, 2019, 2:31 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 75
Views: 21822

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

When I say "revolutionize", I'm paraphrasing Constantine Campbell (though I admit this may be a somewhat hyperbolic word choice). The people in that school do believe that they have revolutionized our understanding of the Greek verb. There is more than one school. I suppose each school thinks they ...
by Jonathan Robie
August 3rd, 2019, 10:48 am
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 75
Views: 21822

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

were there instances in which aorist indicative constructions (i.e. in the New Testament), commonly translated as past tense, were reinterpreted with future temporal reference? Can you give examples (Koine, from OT/NT or elsewhere) where aorist indicative should be interpreted with future temporal ...
by Jonathan Robie
August 2nd, 2019, 5:18 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Reintegrating
Replies: 3
Views: 3471

Re: Reintegrating

davidmcy2 wrote:
August 1st, 2019, 12:32 pm
Hello, I'm David McCoy. I was a member back in 2007 and would like to reintegrate.
Well hello! Welcome back!

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