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by Jonathan Robie
May 13th, 2011, 3:53 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: The Aspect of Historical Present 'Against the Grain'
Replies: 14
Views: 5919

Re: The Aspect of Historical Present 'Against the Grain'

the division between semantics and pragmatics is not so clean cut (personally, I'm quite close to rejecting it in its entirety You can't 'reject' it. They are parameters, fields. That fact that pieces of language interact in both dimensions doesn't drop their usefulness or validity. Like tense-aspe...
by Jonathan Robie
May 13th, 2011, 3:39 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: The Aspect of Historical Present 'Against the Grain'
Replies: 14
Views: 5919

Re: The Aspect of Historical Present 'Against the Grain'

Randall's article was: “Mark's use of the historic present,” Notes on Translation 65 (1982): 7-13. Is this available online? As for my thesis, I'm currently working on literature survey and organizing my corpus. I plan on drafting chapters dealing with the data by July or August (hopefully). My com...
by Jonathan Robie
May 13th, 2011, 1:20 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: The Aspect of Historical Present 'Against the Grain'
Replies: 14
Views: 5919

Re: The Aspect of Historical Present 'Against the Grain'

Olsen, though, attempts to find some middle ground between Fanning and Porter. She rejects the existence of tense as a viable category for the "aorist" and the "present" verbal form on the basis of an extremely (and I'd say oddly) strict division between semantics and pragmatics--one that Con Campb...
by Jonathan Robie
May 13th, 2011, 10:34 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: The Aspect of Historical Present 'Against the Grain'
Replies: 14
Views: 5919

Re: The Aspect of Historical Present 'Against the Grain'

grammatical irony is my own term as far as I know. I thought it might help 'aspect-only' people see what they are missing and how they are skewing the Greek language into what it isn't. One problem I have with the "aspect-only camp" is that there's no testable theory, and no systematic explanation ...
by Jonathan Robie
May 13th, 2011, 9:05 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: The Aspect of Historical Present 'Against the Grain'
Replies: 14
Views: 5919

Re: The Aspect of Historical Present 'Against the Grain'

Yes, the present indicative can commonly be used PRAGMATICALLY against its SEMANTIC aspect. The present indicative is aspectually 'imperfective'. However, when used in past contexts it gets part of its rhetorical force by being used against its semantic meaning. For those who haven't read this kind...
by Jonathan Robie
May 13th, 2011, 8:04 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: The Aspect of Historical Present 'Against the Grain'
Replies: 14
Views: 5919

Re: The Aspect of Historical Present 'Against the Grain'

I haven't looked at this for years, the first useful account I ever saw on aspect in New Testament Greek using modern linguistics was Mari Broman Olsen's thesis - Rod Decker has a summary of that thesis on his site . It's important to account for both lexical aspect and grammatical aspect, and to ex...
by Jonathan Robie
May 12th, 2011, 3:00 pm
Forum: Koine Greek Texts
Topic: What Secular Greek texts do you give NT Greek students?
Replies: 22
Views: 12803

Re: What Secular Greek texts do you give NT Greek students?

His site advertises audio files - did he ever record them?

I was unable to find them.
by Jonathan Robie
May 12th, 2011, 11:22 am
Forum: Seen on the Web
Topic: Favorite Greek-related Blogs?
Replies: 6
Views: 2435

Favorite Greek-related Blogs?

What are your favorite blogs that discuss items related to biblical Greek?
by Jonathan Robie
May 12th, 2011, 10:58 am
Forum: Grammars
Topic: Funk and Goetchius
Replies: 4
Views: 2937

Re: Funk and Goetchius

For those who do not know, Funk is available here:

http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek/project/f ... pre-alpha/

This version of the text has some errors, but it's useful even in its pre-alpha state.
by Jonathan Robie
May 12th, 2011, 10:56 am
Forum: Word Meanings
Topic: Illustrating Semantic Range
Replies: 4
Views: 4568

Re: Illustrating Semantic Range

Suppose I don't speak English, and I encounter this text: The captain can run the ship with a run in her stocking while her crew members run a race on the run on deck 10. If I'm struggling with the words, it's easy enough to think "run in her stocking" may refer to a physical activity done while wea...

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