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by Barry Hofstetter
December 4th, 2019, 11:52 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Athanasius Contra Gentes
Replies: 38
Views: 12400

Re: Athanasius Contra Gentes

Some elaborate theological language in this treatise. Not sure what to do with τὸν , possibly match it with Θεὸν . καὶ τὸν παρ' ἡμῶν προσκυνούμενον, καὶ κηρυττόμενον τοῦτον μόνον εἶναι Θεὸν ἀληθῆ, τὸν καὶ τῆς κτίσεως Κύριον καὶ πάσης ὑποστάσεως δημιουργόν. This part is nicely rhetorical. Two ways t...
by Barry Hofstetter
December 3rd, 2019, 4:41 pm
Forum: Other
Topic: Book Review: Myths and Mistakes in NT Textual Criticism
Replies: 5
Views: 222

Re: Book Review: Myths and Mistakes in NT Textual Criticism

Nice, sounds like a good recommendation for lay people interested in the topic. "The" Kirsopp Lake, maybe not a typo! :lol:
by Barry Hofstetter
November 29th, 2019, 1:40 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Athanasius Contra Gentes
Replies: 38
Views: 12400

Re: Athanasius Contra Gentes

Sounds like you're getting a good handle on Athanasius' style. Generally periodic, but at the same time somewhat idiosyncratic in the way he handles his periodicity. I must admit I sometimes shake my head at Newman's translation, however...
by Barry Hofstetter
November 26th, 2019, 4:31 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Athanasius Contra Gentes
Replies: 38
Views: 12400

Re: Athanasius Contra Gentes

Yes, you simply have an intervening subordinate clause, not at all unusual for authors who adopt a periodic style.
by Barry Hofstetter
November 25th, 2019, 1:27 pm
Forum: Books
Topic: Siebenthal - Ancient Greek Grammar
Replies: 10
Views: 1072

Re: Siebenthal - Ancient Greek Grammar

And I'm writing a review on it (my copy is also in the mail). The review is not due until the end of summer 2020, but I'll give everybody a sneak preview of coming attractions as soon as I can. In the meantime, I don't doubt that some people already have it, so feel free to post your reactions.
by Barry Hofstetter
November 24th, 2019, 8:24 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:33 Antecedant of "they"
Replies: 15
Views: 3073

Re: John 8:33 Antecedant of "they"

Thank you, Barry. I hadn't noticed that it was what you call a necro-post. I like that expressive coinage, by the way. I hope you won't mind if I use it on other websites! It's not original to me... https://en.scratch-wiki.info/wiki/Necropost But here we don't mind if it brings up or restarts a goo...
by Barry Hofstetter
November 23rd, 2019, 11:31 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:33 Antecedant of "they"
Replies: 15
Views: 3073

Re: John 8:33 Antecedant of "they"

It is sometimes said that the presence/absence of the preposition εἰς makes a difference. In v. 30 they “believe in him,” i.e. they believe he truly is who he says he is, but in v. 31 they only “believe him,” in the sense that they believe what he just said, they accept that one particular statemen...
by Barry Hofstetter
November 23rd, 2019, 9:30 am
Forum: Grammar Questions
Topic: Declension of foreign names --- Judith 2:24
Replies: 4
Views: 622

Re: Declension of foreign names --- Judith 2:24

I was hoping one of our LXX mavens would pick this up, but "oh well." As it is, the name seems unattested elsewhere, and what you are seeing is people's best guess as to how to represent it in English.
by Barry Hofstetter
November 22nd, 2019, 2:08 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Cataphoric use of Personal Pronouns
Replies: 16
Views: 1519

Re: Cataphoric use of Personal Pronouns

Jean, I understand. Barry argued for a cataphoric possessive αὐτῶν while I argued for an anaphoric partitive. Note the KJV translators opted for an anaphoric possessive (with perplexing effect)! Not sure exactly how an "anaophoric partitive" should be read. Partitives are used in very specific cons...
by Barry Hofstetter
November 21st, 2019, 6:55 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Cataphoric use of Personal Pronouns
Replies: 16
Views: 1519

Re: Cataphoric use of Personal Pronouns

Jean, if you can get over the notion that the scribes and pharisees would not join a party thrown by a tax-collector, the anaphoric use of αὐτῶν here reads more naturally than the cataphoric one, don't you think? The greek genitive case doesn't always map to the english "of". I actually prefer RP's...

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