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by Barry Hofstetter
May 10th, 2014, 7:54 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Is this coordinating? οὐδὲ in Romans 4.15
Replies: 20
Views: 4101

Re: Is this coordinating? οὐδὲ in Romans 4.15

I think you can understand ουδε simply as a slightly intensive negative -- no need to take as a coordinate conjunction, i.e., "where there is no law, there is no transgression."
by Barry Hofstetter
May 8th, 2014, 10:24 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Splitting Compound Verbs?
Replies: 107
Views: 16771

Re: Od.20, 280-1 διελεῖν "to separate" an essential working

How do we know that in the 8th century BC Greek speakers weren't using compound verbs just as later Greek and Homer wasn't doing the tmesis thing? What was the non-literary Greek of the Homeric period like? Does Linear B offer any insights here (understanding that Linear B is a thousand years earli...
by Barry Hofstetter
May 6th, 2014, 11:46 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Splitting Compound Verbs?
Replies: 107
Views: 16771

Re: Od.20, 280-1 διελεῖν "to separate" an essential working

1. You stated that διαιρεῖν is not used in the NT, and then quoted it's NT usage at 1 Cor 12:11... διελεῖν is simply the normal aorist with the verb. I couldn't see it for looking! Jonathan should give an IQ test to aspirants wanting to join B-Greek, so people like me can’t join and dimimish the qu...
by Barry Hofstetter
May 6th, 2014, 6:07 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Splitting Compound Verbs?
Replies: 107
Views: 16771

Re: Od.20, 280-1 διελεῖν "to separate" an essential working

It might be instructive to look at a word as it is used in Homer compared to how it is used in the New Testament. To be topical, let's take for example διελεῖν "to divide (something that is an essential, workable whole) into parts". (διαιρεῖν is not used in the New Testament, but it is us...
by Barry Hofstetter
May 5th, 2014, 1:59 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Is this coordinating? οὐδὲ in Romans 4.15
Replies: 20
Views: 4101

Re: Is this coordinating? οὐδὲ in Romans 4.15

For what it is worth, BDAG has οὐδὲ in 1 Corinthians 15.13 and 16 as 'also not, not either, neither'. Andrew Yes, somewhat humorously (I hope), I was pointing out that folks have taken it both ways. I have always read it as intensive, and I was interested to see that others saw it differently. Ther...
by Barry Hofstetter
May 5th, 2014, 9:27 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Is this coordinating? οὐδὲ in Romans 4.15
Replies: 20
Views: 4101

Re: Is this coordinating? οὐδὲ in Romans 4.15

I'm still hung up on the issue of a "need to name" the construction or usage. But is it "not even"? I'd say it's "also not" -- and I guess that -- if we have to name it -- I'd still prefer "coordinating." As I see it, the conditional construction is, "If...
by Barry Hofstetter
May 5th, 2014, 4:56 am
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: Is this coordinating? οὐδὲ in Romans 4.15
Replies: 20
Views: 4101

Re: Is this coordinating? οὐδὲ in Romans 4.15

Thanks, Carl, very much. Would the same apply to οὐδὲ in a sentence with an explicitly conditional form like: εἰ γὰρ νεκροὶ οὐκ ἐγείρονται, οὐδὲ Χριστὸς ἐγήγερται· ie if we have to call it something might we call it coordinate? Andrew Well, since we have to call it something... :D I'd call it inten...
by Barry Hofstetter
May 4th, 2014, 9:04 am
Forum: Septuagint and Pseudepigrapha
Topic: Greek idioms derived from Origen's Hexapla ?
Replies: 2
Views: 1513

Re: Greek idioms derived from Origen's Hexapla ?

Well, I had a look at your one page of examples, and I have to admit I find them less than convincing. I would call these accidental similarities. Do you have any other documentation, or anyone else who has worked on this and published a peer reviewed article on the subject? It doesn't accord at all...
by Barry Hofstetter
May 3rd, 2014, 6:49 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: 1 Peter 4:3 πεπορευμένους
Replies: 3
Views: 672

Re: 1 Peter 4:3 πεπορευμένους

Thanks. That's simpler and helpful. The addition of either ημιν and υμιν are variant readings here, by the way. Why would we expect a Dative Ptc? (I just read Smyth Section 1497 and 1498 about the Dative Ptc. Those descriptions don't seem to fit here.) Because ἀρκετός normally takes the dative + in...
by Barry Hofstetter
May 2nd, 2014, 8:12 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: 1 Peter 4:3 πεπορευμένους
Replies: 3
Views: 672

Re: 1 Peter 4:3 πεπορευμένους

1 Peter 4:3 ἀρκετὸς γὰρ ὁ παρεληλυθὼς χρόνος τὸ βούλημα τῶν ἐθνῶν κατειργάσθαι πεπορευμένους ἐν ἀσελγείαις, ἐπιθυμίαις, οἰνοφλυγίαις, κώμοις, πότοις καὶ ἀθεμίτοις εἰδωλολατρίαις. This Accusative Participle πεπορευμένους is puzzling to me. I was not unhappy to see some commentators having trouble. S...

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