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by RandallButh
August 8th, 2019, 11:07 am
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 48400

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

Zero stream? The one or two classicists I know that are aware of the discussion are actively hostile to the proposition, and I'm in total agreement with them. My first thought when exposed to the theory (actually from discussions on B-Greek) was "They've got to be kidding! Have they actually read a...
by RandallButh
August 6th, 2019, 5:11 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 48400

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

I'm not in the Porter school, but I really do like and respect Yes, I really like the people, and respect for their publications and dedication. (Sorry if quips on theory may distract from this.) And I am still waiting to hear a Constantine recital on the sax! BUT the theory has a negative effect o...
by RandallButh
August 6th, 2019, 3:46 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 48400

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

But I understand the reasons. For clarity I can specify the reasons for warning about 'aspect-only' theories: 1. Students sometimes think that they must get a graduate degree in linguistics in order to properly learn Greek, because they don't quite understand the disagreements that they encounter o...
by RandallButh
August 6th, 2019, 1:07 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference
Replies: 88
Views: 48400

Re: Aorist indicative with future temporal reference

Late to this thread. "Believe that you received them ..." To be simple and blunt, there is a good reason why you should not expect Porter's theory to influence Bible translations: The aspect-only theory is not-Greek and most translation committees try to be responsible. Classicists do not give the t...
by RandallButh
July 9th, 2019, 2:42 am
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Hi everyone
Replies: 3
Views: 6869

Re: Hi everyone

Yes, the KoineGreek site is recommend, too. Ben is doing a great job.

--Randall Buth
by RandallButh
June 12th, 2019, 11:36 am
Forum: Pragmatics and Discourse
Topic: Infinitive Subjects of ἐγένετο
Replies: 34
Views: 21531

Re: Infinitive Subjects of ἐγένετο

Her phrase "Since there is no new eschatological content in Acts, the phrases were rarely used" shows that she didn't have an full or accurate understanding of the philology and the three separate constructions. There are ZERO Hebraic structures in Acts, not "rarely used". But there were about 16 ex...
by RandallButh
May 28th, 2019, 6:10 am
Forum: Pragmatics and Discourse
Topic: "the monosemic nature of discourse markers"
Replies: 7
Views: 6803

Re: "the monosemic nature of discourse markers"

Assuming an absolute "monosemy" is how many people get off-track in their semantics and produce counter-intuitive results. Classic example in Greek/NT is "no time in the Greek verb" of the aspect-only crowd. (They do the same thing in Hebrew, too, although there it is by not recognizing or ignoring ...
by RandallButh
April 9th, 2019, 3:48 pm
Forum: Koine Greek Texts
Topic: Syntax in Josephus Antiquities
Replies: 25
Views: 15563

Re: Syntax in Josephus Antiquities

Or are you asserting that the ordering οὗτοι υἱοί εἰσιν θεοῦ would only happen if οὗτοι was a left dislocation? Yes. Here it is Subject-CC(Topic) Complement-Focus (partial) Verb Complement (partial) PS: No problem with prosodies, but those are subservient to, and part of, the word order choices. E....
by RandallButh
April 9th, 2019, 4:58 am
Forum: Koine Greek Texts
Topic: Syntax in Josephus Antiquities
Replies: 25
Views: 15563

Re: Syntax in Josephus Antiquities

Yes, that's what I'd call it. Clitics create syntactic discontinuities for purposes of phonological phrasing. Enclitics like the unaccented pronouns and forms of εἰμί tend to attach to the clauses sentence accent. +1 almost +1, but then -1 The so-called "sentence accent" can also be for a Topicaliz...
by RandallButh
April 9th, 2019, 4:37 am
Forum: Koine Greek Texts
Topic: Syntax in Josephus Antiquities
Replies: 25
Views: 15563

Re: Syntax in Josephus Antiquities

Mike, I think you need to include more attention on the individual items in order to complete the picture, particularly the "these": οὗτοί εἰσιν υἱοὶ θεοῦ places a strong sentence stress on the demonstrative. οὗτοι υἱοί εἰσιν θεοῦ places a strong stress on υἱοί and with the fronted demonstrative wou...

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