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by Scott Lawson
August 3rd, 2021, 7:25 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 36477

Re: John 8:58

Stephen I absolutely admit I only have partial knowledge of Greek in comparison to you. But that goes for many others on B-Greek. Stephen the “absolute construction” is not my terminology. In fact back in 2012 in discussing John 8:58 you noted that Robertson’s identification of εγω ειμι as an absolu...
by Scott Lawson
August 3rd, 2021, 5:36 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 36477

Re: John 8:58

Here are Stephen’s actual comments which are confusing to me: No, πρίν is indicating a time before the complete event of Abraham's coming to be. We only know that it is in the past from encyclopedic knowledge of Abraham. The tense of εἰμί is playing no role in this. It doesn’t make sense to me to sa...
by Scott Lawson
August 3rd, 2021, 5:32 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 36477

Re: John 8:58

Eeli, With an imperfect and in this case a stative as you pointed out it becomes silent after the time period set up. Consider these two sentences “Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν..” John 1:1 The writer of the fourth gospel is identifying the man Jesus as the preexistent Word. In th...
by Scott Lawson
August 3rd, 2021, 4:41 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 36477

Re: John 8:58

Stephen, So even though every other infinitive has a controlling verb γενησθαι at J8:58 doesn’t. So rather than the getting it’s relatve time from the controlling verb this infinitive gets it from the reader’s encyclopedic knowledge. And εγω ειμι serves as a proper name and has no syntactical connec...
by Scott Lawson
August 2nd, 2021, 7:55 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 36477

Re: John 8:58

Jonathan None of the examples have a controlling verb that is a linking verb with an unexpressed predicate and at the same time acting as the main verb for the infinitive. But I’ve marked out the controlling verbs for the infinitives anyway with two asterisks. One on each side of the verb. I’ve also...
by Scott Lawson
August 2nd, 2021, 5:05 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 36477

Re: John 8:58

Daniel! Thank you too for doing the searches!
by Scott Lawson
August 2nd, 2021, 1:14 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 36477

Re: John 8:58

Thank you so very much for the searches! And you’ve given my some new tools that I was unaware of! Thanks! Stephen I need to add another question which actually gets to the heart of my original post. If we were to read εγω ειμι as having an unexpressed predicate, perhaps Christ or God, then what wou...
by Scott Lawson
August 2nd, 2021, 12:21 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 36477

Re: John 8:58

Stephen I’m going to press you a bit for some responses to my earlier observations and questions in this discussion. 1.) Would you comment on my observation that the infinitive gets its relative time from the main verb (controlling verb)? 2.) Would the inceptive Aktionsart of an aorist form of ειμι ...
by Scott Lawson
August 1st, 2021, 10:03 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 36477

Re: John 8:58

…and it occurred to me that ἐπίσταμαί at Jer 1:5 is also stative.

Πρὸ τοῦ με πλάσαι σε ἐν κοιλίᾳ ἐπίσταμαί σε καὶ πρὸ τοῦ σε ἐξελθεῖν ἐκ μήτρας ἡγίακά σε, προφήτην εἰς ἔθνη τέθεικά σε.
by Scott Lawson
August 1st, 2021, 9:47 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 36477

Re: John 8:58

I asked Mike Aubrey the following question back in 2019: Mike I just read your blog on state predicates and Greek perfects. I’m gonna have to read it through a few more times to hopefully understand it more completely. But what came to my mind is the Greek “to be” verb and its incomplete system of “...

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