γένηται is subjunctive because of ὅταν, πιστεύσητε because of ἵνα...Scott Lawson wrote:Timothy,timothy_p_mcmahon wrote:No. They're in the aorist because they're subjunctive after ἵνα.
Isn't it the conditional οταν rather than ίνα that leads to the subjunctive?
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- May 1st, 2013, 6:57 am
- Forum: Other
- Topic: use of the aorist
- Replies: 11
- Views: 5565
Re: use of the aorist
- May 1st, 2013, 6:29 am
- Forum: What does this text mean?
- Topic: Too many "hims"
- Replies: 7
- Views: 1773
Re: Too many "hims"
I don't know that this was translated from Aramaic. Regardless, you see this a lot in Greek too. Yes. I find John to be the most idiomatic Greek in the Gospels. It is simple , but generally natural, clean Greek. The comments on "Aramaic" continue to remind us how far out of touch New Test...
- April 27th, 2013, 6:53 am
- Forum: Teaching Methods
- Topic: Why not start with modern Greek?
- Replies: 93
- Views: 3618761
Re: Why not start with modern Greek?
I guess that I don't have your faith that grammar-translation can 'get your there'. Back in the 20's-40's, NorthAmerican modern language pedagogy was 'grammar-translation' and believed that 'it could get you there'. They don't anymore. Again, recent psycholinguistic research on reading points towar...
- April 26th, 2013, 6:32 am
- Forum: Teaching Methods
- Topic: Why not start with modern Greek?
- Replies: 93
- Views: 3618761
Re: Why not start with modern Greek?
Thank you for the query, Barry. I'll stand by my comment. We are using different definitions of 'fluently read'. I'm not talking about 'sight reading,' or about having the eyes loop back and reread all the time, but the kind of second language reading that is done at the speed of speech. That is wh...
- April 26th, 2013, 6:28 am
- Forum: Word Meanings
- Topic: Sub-divided strongs numbers???
- Replies: 14
- Views: 3333
Re: Sub-divided strongs numbers???
It seems to me that most projects just accept Strong's numbers as they are. Few people on B-Greek would accept Strong's as a Greek dictionary, and it has limitations even as a way to identify Greek words - it does not include all the words you need for all manuscripts of the GNT, let alone the Sept...
- April 25th, 2013, 6:37 am
- Forum: Teaching Methods
- Topic: Why not start with modern Greek?
- Replies: 93
- Views: 3618761
Re: Why not start with modern Greek?
Yet, I now realize that I need an immersion type program going forward if I really want to learn the language. Yes. True. "The dime drops," if that is still understood these days. ἔασόν με τοίνυν ἀναπεῖσαι τοὺς πεπεισμένους. Brian's comment needs is a kind of perpetual "rediscovering...
- April 22nd, 2013, 7:23 am
- Forum: Introductions
- Topic: greetings
- Replies: 7
- Views: 3301
Re: greetings
Your SIXTH read through the NT! Wow. I had once heard that if a person used an interlinear and read every day for 3 years, he would become proficient. I'll be interested to hear how it goes for you. Keep us updated in the "Teaching & Learning" section of this forum. Paul, give such a ...
- April 22nd, 2013, 6:42 am
- Forum: What does this text mean?
- Topic: The Son of Him
- Replies: 7
- Views: 2310
Re: The Son of Him
I would be leary of any syntactic information derived from the LXX, as one cannot always be sure if we are reading something idiomatic or if it is translationese. However, the article with a dependent noun and a possessor is normal syntax in Greek, i.e., ὁ ἵππός μου, "my horse," ὁ υἱὸς αὐτ...
- April 21st, 2013, 9:28 am
- Forum: Introductions
- Topic: greetings
- Replies: 7
- Views: 3301
Re: greetings
Χαῖρε, Ἰάκωβε… Your dedication and perseverance is certainly admirable. I have the benefit of classroom education, and I wonder often if I would have the discipline of doing what you are doing right now. I am theoretically teaching myself Sahidic Coptic right now, and keep laying off it for long per...
- April 20th, 2013, 8:52 am
- Forum: Introductions
- Topic: Greetings!
- Replies: 3
- Views: 1642
Re: Greetings!
Greetings to you Brooke. If you go back through the various postings to this forum since it switched to this format from an email-list format, you'll see a number of postings which address your question. The main point is this: the more Greek to which you are exposed, the better you will get at read...