Ur mur Gurd! Lights are coming on for me! Thanks David!David Lim wrote:Look carefully. There is an accusative "ην" which is its direct object. Likewise in 1 John 5:9 in the Byzantine text.
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- October 24th, 2012, 1:34 pm
- Forum: New Testament
- Topic: Mark 14:60 τί what or why?
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Re: Mark 14:60 τί what or why?
- October 24th, 2012, 12:10 am
- Forum: New Testament
- Topic: Mark 14:60 τί what or why?
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Re: Mark 14:60 τί what or why?
It says "c. acc. rei. [...] cf. Ev.Matt.26.62" which is exactly the same quotation as in Mark 14:60. David, Thanks so much for your patient fielding of my questions. Would you mind very much putting up with a little more unreasonableness on my part and help me understand how to decipher t...
- October 23rd, 2012, 2:43 pm
- Forum: New Testament
- Topic: Mark 14:60 τί what or why?
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Re: Mark 14:60 τί what or why?
Since καταμαρτυροῦσιν is transitive how could it not have a direct object?David Lim wrote: If however "καταμαρτυρουσιν" did not have a direct object
- October 23rd, 2012, 2:22 pm
- Forum: New Testament
- Topic: Mark 14:60 τί what or why?
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Re: Mark 14:60 τί what or why?
Firstly, "μαρτυρειν" can be used transitively (see 1 John 5:10). I presume you are pointing to μεμαρτύρηκεν which is perfect and stative and therefore unlikely to be transitive. Right? though I did notice that LSJ lists that particular instance as one where "τι" is the object of...
- October 23rd, 2012, 12:05 am
- Forum: New Testament
- Topic: Mark 14:60 τί what or why?
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Re: Mark 14:60 τί what or why?
though I did notice that LSJ lists that particular instance as one where "τι" is the object of the verb "καταμαρτυρουσιν". How does identifying "τι" as the object of the verb "καταμαρτυρουσιν" move us closer to determining whether it means "what or "...
- October 22nd, 2012, 11:11 pm
- Forum: New Testament
- Topic: Mark 14:60 τί what or why?
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Re: Mark 14:60 τί what or why?
I think "σου" is called a genitive complement of "καταμαρτυρουσιν" and not a direct object, though in many cases I prefer to think of compound verbs as quite equivalent to the root verb with the preposition, such as "μαρτυρουσιν κατα σου". Doesn't breaking the verb apa...
- October 22nd, 2012, 9:21 pm
- Forum: New Testament
- Topic: Mark 14:60 τί what or why?
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Re: Mark 14:60 τί what or why?
David,
I'm not confident in my understanding of grammar but it seems to me that σου is the direct object of καταματυρεω (testify against) and that τί occupies the place of...? Questions move constituents around in the sentence and it leaves me scratching my head.
I'm not confident in my understanding of grammar but it seems to me that σου is the direct object of καταματυρεω (testify against) and that τί occupies the place of...? Questions move constituents around in the sentence and it leaves me scratching my head.
- October 22nd, 2012, 5:22 pm
- Forum: New Testament
- Topic: Mark 14:60 τί what or why?
- Replies: 18
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Re: Mark 14:60 τί what or why?
Isn't the question out of desperation? If Jesus says nothing their testimony is valueless since they could not agree. He no doubt hopes Jesus will explain and condemn himself. It seems to me that both "what" and "why" could be used to spur him to comment but why could open up cou...
- October 19th, 2012, 2:01 pm
- Forum: Word Meanings
- Topic: ἐν χριστῷ (Ephesians)
- Replies: 4
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Re: ἐν χριστῷ (Ephesians)
...and by εν τω κυριω I mean BDAG's χυριος 1.
- October 19th, 2012, 11:35 am
- Forum: Word Meanings
- Topic: ἐν χριστῷ (Ephesians)
- Replies: 4
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Re: ἐν χριστῷ (Ephesians)
I'm studying Ephesians, and I'm struggling with the phrase ἐν χριστῷ in Ephesians. I can do word searches, but I really don't want to try to find every occurrence in Greek literature of ἐν + personal name. For those of you familiar with Greek literature, can you send me in the direction of other (n...