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by Peng Huiguo
March 1st, 2020, 1:30 am
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Tense progression
Replies: 1
Views: 6716

Tense progression

Interesting progression of imperfect→present→aorist in a coupla papyri: BGU 3.846 "the prodigal son's letter" γινώσκειν σε θέλω ὅτι οὐχ ἤλπιζον ὅτι ἀναβαίνεις εἰς τὴν μητρόπολιν χάριν τούτου οὐδ’ ἐγὼ εἰσῆλθα εἰς τὴν πόλιν P.Giss 1.17 ὤφελον εἰ ἐδυνάμεθα πετᾶσθαι καὶ ἐλθεῖν καὶ προσκυνῆσαί ...
by Peng Huiguo
February 29th, 2020, 2:26 pm
Forum: Greek Language and Linguistics
Topic: What replaced the optative in Koine?
Replies: 14
Views: 6563

Re: What replaced the optative in Koine?

Mark Jeong wrote: February 28th, 2020, 10:38 am those subjunctives are all in dependent clauses though and function differently than the optative in an independent clause.
Then something like ἐλπίζω ταχὺ προκόψαι, so
θέλομεν τοὺς ἵππους λήψεσθαι.

For τοὺς ἵππους ἂν δοίη,
ἴσως τοὺς ἵππους δώσει. (Luke 20:13)
by Peng Huiguo
February 28th, 2020, 6:51 am
Forum: Greek Language and Linguistics
Topic: What replaced the optative in Koine?
Replies: 14
Views: 6563

Re: What replaced the optative in Koine?

Bare subjunctive maybe. In Oxyrhynchus Papyri IV 744, a letter from a workman in Alexandria to his wife, circa 1 BC:

εἴρηκας... ὅτι μή με ἐπιλάθης. πῶς δύναμαί σε ἐπιλαθεῖν; ἐρωτῶ σε οὖν ἵνα μὴ ἀγωνιάσης.

Note: fill in the iota subscripts. I copied it as it is.
by Peng Huiguo
February 24th, 2020, 2:43 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Orations of St Athanasius Against the Arians
Replies: 29
Views: 14549

Re: Orations of St Athanasius Against the Arians

Stirling, Ima leave this thread and you with a nugget I stumbled upon yesterday, from Origen's fragmentary commentary on 1 Corinthians (afaik no one has published an English translation of this). πῶς γὰρ οὐ μωρὸς ὁ μὴ λέγων μὴ εἶναι πρόνοιαν ἢ ἐξ ἀτόμων καὶ κενοῦ τὰ πάντα συνεστηκέναι ἢ τὴν ἡδονὴν τ...
by Peng Huiguo
February 23rd, 2020, 2:37 am
Forum: Pragmatics and Discourse
Topic: Richard Rhodes on Definiteness
Replies: 29
Views: 16129

Re: Richard Rhodes on Definiteness

Michael W Abernathy wrote: February 22nd, 2020, 1:13 pm using the dative where you might expect the genitive. Matthew does the same in Matthew 5:40 καὶ τῷ θέλοντί σοι κριθῆναι καὶ τὸν χιτῶνά σου λαβεῖν, ἄφες αὐτῷ καὶ τὸ ἱμάτιον
Where would be the expected genitive in that verse?
by Peng Huiguo
February 22nd, 2020, 7:28 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Orations of St Athanasius Against the Arians
Replies: 29
Views: 14549

Re: Orations of St Athanasius Against the Arians

There's a reason why BDAG doesn't dwell on this construction — it's rare in LXX and NT. In the verses listed below, there's only one specimen of it. Sorry for not typing out all these verses — I don't have a digital copy to c&p from; anyway it's good to read the verses in context, not disembodie...
by Peng Huiguo
February 22nd, 2020, 2:39 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Orations of St Athanasius Against the Arians
Replies: 29
Views: 14549

Re: Orations of St Athanasius Against the Arians

This is simply wrong. I'm not sure what "this" refers to. It can't be all that I wrote, because you agree that αἱρεσεις is the subject of τυγχάνουσι, and your rendition shows you think ἑαυταῖς and φανεραί are somehow joined by τυγχάνουσι just like I said they are. The heretics/heresies po...
by Peng Huiguo
February 20th, 2020, 9:07 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Orations of St Athanasius Against the Arians
Replies: 29
Views: 14549

Re: Orations of St Athanasius Against the Arians

Incidentally, the ending ἡ ἀσέβεια πάλαι πᾶσιν ἔκδηλος γέγονε answers the beginning τῆς ἀληθείας ἀπέστησαν (πάλαι could be punny in this regard), forming a little chiasm that makes the loopy structure of the middle ἐπινοήσασαι μανίαν ἑαυταῖς φανεραὶ τυγχάνουσι all the more clever.
by Peng Huiguo
February 20th, 2020, 7:16 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Orations of St Athanasius Against the Arians
Replies: 29
Views: 14549

Re: Orations of St Athanasius Against the Arians

I will take that bait That bait's meant for me. Barry, I wrote "is missing... in Newman & Robertson's translation ". Stirling, indeed τυγχάνω often leads (a subject, involuntarily) into a participle, like bringing them into a chance collision. But here, ἐπινοήσασαι is not that partici...
by Peng Huiguo
February 19th, 2020, 6:53 pm
Forum: Church Fathers and Patristic Greek Texts
Topic: Orations of St Athanasius Against the Arians
Replies: 29
Views: 14549

Re: Orations of St Athanasius Against the Arians

ἐπινοήσασαι μανίαν ἑαυταῖς φανεραὶ τυγχάνουσι mirrors τούτων ἡ ἀσέβεια πάλαι πᾶσιν ἔκδηλος γέγονε , so ἐπινοήσασαι ἑαυταῖς φανεραὶ τυγχάνουσι ἀσέβεια πᾶσιν ἔκδηλος γέγονε I think something like a "to themselves" (the object of τυγχάνουσι) is missing right after "acknowledged" (p...

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