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by Stirling Bartholomew
December 13th, 2014, 5:03 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
Replies: 15
Views: 2445

Re: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive

Perhaps you'll find the distinction between external arguments and internal arguments usewful. External arguments are like the subject of a verb and they tend to agree with and/or have forms that relate to their function outside the verb phrase. Internal arguments are like direct and indirect objec...
by Stirling Bartholomew
December 11th, 2014, 5:48 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
Replies: 15
Views: 2445

Re: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive

Perhaps you'll find the distinction between external arguments and internal arguments usewful. External arguments are like the subject of a verb and they tend to agree with and/or have forms that relate to their function outside the verb phrase. Internal arguments are like direct and indirect objec...
by Stirling Bartholomew
December 10th, 2014, 4:24 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
Replies: 15
Views: 2445

Re: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive

the question I am looking at goes beyond valency.


That perhaps sounds like dodging the question. I really do have lingering doubts about the idea that valency is completely blind to the finite/non-finite distinction.
by Stirling Bartholomew
December 10th, 2014, 3:17 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
Replies: 15
Views: 2445

Re: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive

I don't understand what you mean by "configuration"! Word order? (same) Case assignment? (same except for the subject, but we knew that). Please help me. I don't either which is part of the problem. I tend to look at constituents beyond the nuclear clause as part of the syntax which gets ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
December 9th, 2014, 11:55 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
Replies: 15
Views: 2445

Re: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive

Now lets look at βαπτίζω with at a dative agent ἐν ὕδατι. I think this will illustrate something useful. Matt. 3:11 Ἐγὼ μὲν ὑμᾶς βαπτίζω ἐν ὕδατι εἰς μετάνοιαν , ὁ δὲ ὀπίσω μου ἐρχόμενος ἰσχυρότερός μού ἐστιν, οὗ οὐκ εἰμὶ ἱκανὸς τὰ ὑποδήματα βαστάσαι· αὐτὸς ὑμᾶς βαπτίσει ἐν πνεύματι ἁγίῳ καὶ πυρί· M...
by Stirling Bartholomew
December 9th, 2014, 11:25 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
Replies: 15
Views: 2445

Re: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive

I have decided to look at this with the verb βαπτίζω and for my first sample I looked for βαπτίζω with ὑπό + agent. The finite βαπτίζω, participle and infinitive are all found with ὑπό + agent. Matt. 3:13 Τότε παραγίνεται ὁ Ἰησοῦς ἀπὸ τῆς Γαλιλαίας ἐπὶ τὸν Ἰορδάνην πρὸς τὸν Ἰωάννην τοῦ βαπτισθῆναι ὑ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
December 9th, 2014, 4:55 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
Replies: 15
Views: 2445

Re: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive

It seems to me that in actual usage the patterns are some times dependent on the finite/non-finite distinction. This had never occurred to me (as I had assumed that finiteness should not make a difference) and I find it fascinating. Are there actual cases of usage that support this observation? I h...
by Stirling Bartholomew
December 9th, 2014, 4:35 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
Replies: 15
Views: 2445

Re: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive

Well, "subjects" of infinitives will be in the accusative instead of the nominative... Yes and we also have genitive absolutes. If we have a verb with three arguments in finite form would we be safe to assume that those three arguments would be found with the non-finite forms of the verb?...
by Stirling Bartholomew
December 9th, 2014, 2:49 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
Replies: 15
Views: 2445

Re: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive

Here is a direct quote:
whether a verb is in finite form or in infinite form is immaterial to the syntax of the sentence constituents dependent on that verb
what do you say to that?
by Stirling Bartholomew
December 9th, 2014, 1:47 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
Replies: 15
Views: 2445

verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive

In another forum it has been dogmatically asserted that the valency patterns for a given verb will be identical for the finite and infinitive forms of the verb.

Does anyone have a problem with this?

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