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- December 13th, 2014, 5:03 pm
- Forum: Syntax and Grammar
- Topic: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
- Replies: 15
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Re: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
Perhaps you'll find the distinction between external arguments and internal arguments usewful. External arguments are like the subject of a verb and they tend to agree with and/or have forms that relate to their function outside the verb phrase. Internal arguments are like direct and indirect objec...
- December 11th, 2014, 5:48 pm
- Forum: Syntax and Grammar
- Topic: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
- Replies: 15
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Re: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
Perhaps you'll find the distinction between external arguments and internal arguments usewful. External arguments are like the subject of a verb and they tend to agree with and/or have forms that relate to their function outside the verb phrase. Internal arguments are like direct and indirect objec...
- December 10th, 2014, 4:24 pm
- Forum: Syntax and Grammar
- Topic: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
- Replies: 15
- Views: 2445
Re: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
the question I am looking at goes beyond valency.
That perhaps sounds like dodging the question. I really do have lingering doubts about the idea that valency is completely blind to the finite/non-finite distinction.
- December 10th, 2014, 3:17 pm
- Forum: Syntax and Grammar
- Topic: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
- Replies: 15
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Re: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
I don't understand what you mean by "configuration"! Word order? (same) Case assignment? (same except for the subject, but we knew that). Please help me. I don't either which is part of the problem. I tend to look at constituents beyond the nuclear clause as part of the syntax which gets ...
- December 9th, 2014, 11:55 pm
- Forum: Syntax and Grammar
- Topic: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
- Replies: 15
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Re: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
Now lets look at βαπτίζω with at a dative agent ἐν ὕδατι. I think this will illustrate something useful. Matt. 3:11 Ἐγὼ μὲν ὑμᾶς βαπτίζω ἐν ὕδατι εἰς μετάνοιαν , ὁ δὲ ὀπίσω μου ἐρχόμενος ἰσχυρότερός μού ἐστιν, οὗ οὐκ εἰμὶ ἱκανὸς τὰ ὑποδήματα βαστάσαι· αὐτὸς ὑμᾶς βαπτίσει ἐν πνεύματι ἁγίῳ καὶ πυρί· M...
- December 9th, 2014, 11:25 pm
- Forum: Syntax and Grammar
- Topic: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
- Replies: 15
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Re: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
I have decided to look at this with the verb βαπτίζω and for my first sample I looked for βαπτίζω with ὑπό + agent. The finite βαπτίζω, participle and infinitive are all found with ὑπό + agent. Matt. 3:13 Τότε παραγίνεται ὁ Ἰησοῦς ἀπὸ τῆς Γαλιλαίας ἐπὶ τὸν Ἰορδάνην πρὸς τὸν Ἰωάννην τοῦ βαπτισθῆναι ὑ...
- December 9th, 2014, 4:55 pm
- Forum: Syntax and Grammar
- Topic: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
- Replies: 15
- Views: 2445
Re: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
It seems to me that in actual usage the patterns are some times dependent on the finite/non-finite distinction. This had never occurred to me (as I had assumed that finiteness should not make a difference) and I find it fascinating. Are there actual cases of usage that support this observation? I h...
- December 9th, 2014, 4:35 pm
- Forum: Syntax and Grammar
- Topic: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
- Replies: 15
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Re: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
Well, "subjects" of infinitives will be in the accusative instead of the nominative... Yes and we also have genitive absolutes. If we have a verb with three arguments in finite form would we be safe to assume that those three arguments would be found with the non-finite forms of the verb?...
- December 9th, 2014, 2:49 pm
- Forum: Syntax and Grammar
- Topic: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
- Replies: 15
- Views: 2445
Re: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
Here is a direct quote:
what do you say to that?whether a verb is in finite form or in infinite form is immaterial to the syntax of the sentence constituents dependent on that verb
- December 9th, 2014, 1:47 pm
- Forum: Syntax and Grammar
- Topic: verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
- Replies: 15
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verb valency patterns, finite & infinitive
In another forum it has been dogmatically asserted that the valency patterns for a given verb will be identical for the finite and infinitive forms of the verb.
Does anyone have a problem with this?
Does anyone have a problem with this?