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by RandallButh
September 18th, 2011, 2:14 am
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: Self Taught Living Koine ?
Replies: 20
Views: 12298

Re: Self Taught Living Koine ?

You might consider making time to attend an intensive "Fluency Workshop". 8-10 days can provide a time to make a significant increase in fluency and to build something in the part of the brain where languages are supposed to be built. This 'short formula' of 8-10 days is built around what ...
by RandallButh
September 12th, 2011, 2:46 pm
Forum: Resources
Topic: Mounce's Biblical Greek: A Compact Guide
Replies: 19
Views: 8514

Re: Mounce's Biblical Greek: A Compact Guide

My concern in that regard is that people who achieve some level of oral ability typically assume that the way they say it is the way it’s said—and then basing their interpretation of the text on what they think it means because that’s what they mean by it when they say it. If their oral ability is ...
by RandallButh
September 12th, 2011, 4:53 am
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: Fad or Necessity--Developing Oral Competency in Greek
Replies: 3
Views: 3314

Re: Fad or Necessity--Developing Oral Competency in Greek

To speak ZERO ancient Greek is to guarantee that the language will never be internalized and it may even guarantee that it will be filtered through an artificial, analytical, non-Greek grid, forever. It will never get 'reality testing', i.e., seeing what the non-Greek grid would produce will never ...
by RandallButh
September 12th, 2011, 2:24 am
Forum: Resources
Topic: Mounce's Biblical Greek: A Compact Guide
Replies: 19
Views: 8514

Re: Mounce's Biblical Greek: A Compact Guide

I've started a different thread to deal with the important issues being raised that are not really related to this thread's title at all.

"Fad or Necessity--Developing Oral Competency in Greek"

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by RandallButh
September 12th, 2011, 2:20 am
Forum: Teaching Methods
Topic: Fad or Necessity--Developing Oral Competency in Greek
Replies: 3
Views: 3314

Fad or Necessity--Developing Oral Competency in Greek

A discussion on developing oral proficency has been poking through a couple of other threads and it could use a more focussed discussion. For example, consider the following comment: (Rod) ... the liability of the current fad of trying to teach oral competency. (I'm sure advocates will surely disagr...
by RandallButh
September 6th, 2011, 2:38 am
Forum: Other
Topic: "Tools of the Trade"
Replies: 17
Views: 8033

Re: "Tools of the Trade"

George egrapse: One thing that stands out in Islam is that they do not approve of the use of translations. Would that we did the same in the Church. George, I can partially agree with you. But the better picture may be the synagogue, where source and translation have traditionally been held in tens...
by RandallButh
September 6th, 2011, 2:22 am
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Hello from Raleigh NC
Replies: 4
Views: 1546

Re: Hello from Raleigh NC

Sorry about the presentation of all those paradigms as the entryway into the language. I must apologize for the Greek field. "They" have this tradition of using pedagogies that have been shown to not work and to ignore pedagogies that have been shown to work. Go figure! You might check out...
by RandallButh
September 2nd, 2011, 12:32 am
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Does pronunciation matter? If so, why?
Replies: 31
Views: 50594

Re: Does pronunciation matter? If so, why?

I appreciate Devenios' reply. People tend to read material in a language in their own dialect of that language. Presumably, that would mean that Josephus or Paul would read Plato in their 1st century dialect. In answer to Vasili's question, that is how I would read Plato, too. The only exception to ...
by RandallButh
September 1st, 2011, 8:20 am
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Does pronunciation matter? If so, why?
Replies: 31
Views: 50594

Re: Does pronunciation matter? If so, why?

"The Koine can be considered the minimal/simplest system that could carry the ancient language." Indeed, I can understand that; however, I am still hoping that we may be able sometime to commonly speak about "a system which could be considered the maximal/most comprehensive system, t...
by RandallButh
September 1st, 2011, 5:13 am
Forum: Pronunciation
Topic: Does pronunciation matter? If so, why?
Replies: 31
Views: 50594

Re: Does pronunciation matter? If so, why?

In effect what you mean is that you choose a system where you maximize distinctions based on orthography. Not only that, but a system which is also based on natural sounds; ... It is not (critically) important that the system should to be acurate historically, Linguists that have worked with 'Resto...

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