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by Stirling Bartholomew
December 4th, 2014, 1:53 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: EAGLL Article on the Perfect
Replies: 3
Views: 934

Re: EAGLL Article on the Perfect

On page 49 top of left column he addresses the issue of Aorist and Perfect swapping roles. I found most of the article hard to understand.
by Stirling Bartholomew
December 3rd, 2014, 11:41 pm
Forum: Pragmatics and Discourse
Topic: Luke 8:27 ἐξελθόντι δὲ αὐτῷ ἐπὶ τὴν γῆν
Replies: 2
Views: 3384

Re: Luke 8:27 ἐξελθόντι δὲ αὐτῷ ἐπὶ τὴν γῆν

Stephen Carlson wrote:Yes, it should have the same discourse function.
Thank you.
by Stirling Bartholomew
December 3rd, 2014, 1:22 pm
Forum: Pragmatics and Discourse
Topic: Luke 8:27 ἐξελθόντι δὲ αὐτῷ ἐπὶ τὴν γῆν
Replies: 2
Views: 3384

Luke 8:27 ἐξελθόντι δὲ αὐτῷ ἐπὶ τὴν γῆν

It seems to me that ἐξελθόντι δὲ αὐτῷ ἐπὶ τὴν γῆν in Luke 8:27 functions as contextualizer like Mk 5:2 καὶ ἐξελθόντος αὐτοῦ ἐκ τοῦ πλοίου. Marshal (Luke NIGTC 1979) suggests that Luke "corrected" the genitive absolute to a dative. I can sort of understand that, ὑπήντησεν takes a dative arg...
by Stirling Bartholomew
December 2nd, 2014, 6:10 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Hello
Replies: 12
Views: 2832

Re: Hello

Hi Carly, Welcome to B-Greek! almost nobody here thinks using an interlinear like that is a good way of knowing what the original languages say. Really, I know some guys at Tyndale House Cambridge who are building the mother-of-all-interlinear-bibles https://www.stepbible.org . The STEP bible is ab...
by Stirling Bartholomew
November 30th, 2014, 5:17 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: ἐξέστημεν/σωφρονοῦμεν 2 Corinthians 5.13
Replies: 12
Views: 3829

Re: ἐξέστημεν/σωφρονοῦμεν 2 Corinthians 5.13

The framework that Robert Funk presents in his Intermediate Grammar, (which is what I happen to have been reading) is that the present tense can be either aoristic or durative, whereas the aorist and imperfect are distinguished by aspect. So aoristic presents such as Acts 16.18 are to be expected (...
by Stirling Bartholomew
November 28th, 2014, 5:11 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: ἐξέστημεν/σωφρονοῦμεν 2 Corinthians 5.13
Replies: 12
Views: 3829

Re: ἐξέστημεν/σωφρονοῦμεν 2 Corinthians 5.13

I certainly admire the attempt to maintain consistency in the tense. Consistency isn't an admirable goal since the aspect tense matrix is not consistent. Acts 16:18 τοῦτο δὲ ἐποίει ἐπὶ πολλὰς ἡμέρας. διαπονηθεὶς δὲ Παῦλος καὶ ἐπιστρέψας τῷ πνεύματι εἶπεν· παραγγέλλω σοι ἐν ὀνόματι Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ ἐξε...
by Stirling Bartholomew
November 27th, 2014, 12:39 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: ἐξέστημεν/σωφρονοῦμεν 2 Corinthians 5.13
Replies: 12
Views: 3829

Re: ἐξέστημεν/σωφρονοῦμεν 2 Corinthians 5.13

T What do you make of Robert T What do you make of Robert Funk's statement in his Intermediate Hellenistic Grammar: 788. The aorist indicative refers to past time. And he doesn't seem to qualify that, except to mention the gnomic and epistolary aorists in 7880, with specific uses which I don't thin...
by Stirling Bartholomew
November 25th, 2014, 3:12 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: ἐξέστημεν/σωφρονοῦμεν 2 Corinthians 5.13
Replies: 12
Views: 3829

Re: ἐξέστημεν/σωφρονοῦμεν 2 Corinthians 5.13

But it's only a Greek Perfect, as I understand it, if the focus is on the resulting state εἴτε γὰρ ἐξέστημεν, θεῷ· εἴτε σωφρονοῦμεν, ὑμῖν. ἐξέστημεν here is intransitive with no arguments and describes a state. Compare it to ἐξέστην φρενῶν Eur. Or. 1021. The aorist is colorless unmarked aspect. Eur...
by Stirling Bartholomew
November 25th, 2014, 12:29 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: ἐξέστημεν/σωφρονοῦμεν 2 Corinthians 5.13
Replies: 12
Views: 3829

Re: ἐξέστημεν/σωφρονοῦμεν 2 Corinthians 5.13

εἴτε γὰρ ἐξέστημεν, θεῷ· εἴτε σωφρονοῦμεν, ὑμῖν. Should we understand the aorist to refer to past time, and the present to present time? Alfred Plummer wrote (in the Cambridge Greek Testament):, Andrew I am less than convinced that a micro analysis of verb aspect will solve this problem. Never the ...
by Stirling Bartholomew
November 24th, 2014, 10:07 pm
Forum: Introductions
Topic: Greetings! I'm a seminary student learning Greek.
Replies: 4
Views: 1551

Re: Greetings! I'm a seminary student learning Greek.

Brent Elkins wrote:
I've been hanging around Textkit quite a bit but I think I like this forum much better.
What are you called onTextkit?

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