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by Jonathan Robie
June 5th, 2012, 5:22 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: 01: The Semantic Value of the Tense Stems
Replies: 17
Views: 24312

Re: 01: The Semantic Value of the Tense Stems

On verb choice, I like the middle verbs in order to get the student in a new track of thinking and outside of morphology. On the other hand, most of the "good" verbs are irregular are are not attested in all four classes in NT/LXX. πορεύε-σθαι, πορευθῆ-ναι, πεπορεῦ-σθαι, πορεύσε-σθαι coul...
by Jonathan Robie
June 5th, 2012, 3:12 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: 01: The Semantic Value of the Tense Stems
Replies: 17
Views: 24312

Re: 01: The Semantic Value of the Tense Stems

Basically, that means that the reader needs to consider FOUR stems, or more precisely, four tense-aspect categories. I started down this path yesterday, and got stuck. I got as far as what you mention above - we need tense-aspect categories that can include more than one stem. The first step is rel...
by Jonathan Robie
June 5th, 2012, 2:33 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: A review noted by Carl
Replies: 2
Views: 11580

Re: A review noted by Carl

In http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-greek/2008-February/045834.html Carl gave a link to a good review. There's an interesting footnote regarding 01: note 1 which we are discussing at the moment. Do you mean this review ? Do you mean this footnote? On questions of tense and aspect generally, Rij...
by Jonathan Robie
June 4th, 2012, 6:27 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: 01: The Semantic Value of the Tense Stems
Replies: 17
Views: 24312

Re: 01: The Semantic Value of the Tense Stems

The two issues I would have for the typical Koine student (e.g., one who had a year of Mounce), would be: (1) The unfamiliarity of the verb βουλεύεσθαι, and (2) The extinction of the future perfect. In addition, they may be more familiar with, and wondering about, the principal parts. If we're look...
by Jonathan Robie
June 4th, 2012, 10:19 am
Forum: Word Meanings
Topic: How crude is σκύβαλον?
Replies: 1
Views: 2613

How crude is σκύβαλον?

Someone asked me just exactly how crude the word σκύβαλον is in NT Greek. He was thinking of this passage: 7 Ἀλλὰ ἅτινα ἦν μοι κέρδη, ταῦτα ἥγημαι διὰ τὸν Χριστὸν ζημίαν. 8 ἀλλὰ μενοῦνγε καὶ ἡγοῦμαι πάντα ζημίαν εἶναι διὰ τὸ ὑπερέχον τῆς γνώσεως Χριστοῦ Ἰησοῦ τοῦ κυρίου μου δι' ὃν τὰ πάντα ἐζημιώθην...
by Jonathan Robie
June 3rd, 2012, 4:55 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: 01: The Semantic Value of the Tense Stems
Replies: 17
Views: 24312

Re: 01: The Semantic Value of the Tense Stems

Rijksbaron's "tense stems" are not the same as Smyth's stems, and not as closely related to the principal parts. Rijksbaron has only 5 stems: - the present stem (e.g. βουλεύε-σθαι) - the aorist stem (e.g. βουλεύσα-σθαι) - the perfect stem (e.g. βεβουλεῦ-σθαι) - the future stem (e.g. βουλεύ...
by Jonathan Robie
June 3rd, 2012, 4:25 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Rijksbaron and the Greek New Testament
Replies: 38
Views: 51186

Re: Rijksbaron and the Greek New Testament

Finally, is the assumption that R's view of the verb is fundamentally the correct one? This is a discussion of Rijksbaron's book, which a lot of people here seem to appreciate it. People are free to assume whatever they want. As we discuss it, we should also point out any flaws in his account, or d...
by Jonathan Robie
June 2nd, 2012, 3:19 pm
Forum: Syntax and Grammar
Topic: "Aspect-only" (Split from Rijksbaron 01: Note 1)
Replies: 16
Views: 4324

Re: 01: Note 1

Any attempt to give an overview of all the different views would be much more complex. Especially if it also attempted to show why one view is superior to another. Perhaps in an appendix? Or perhaps it would be better to simply acknowledge that there are other views out there, without going into them?
by Jonathan Robie
June 1st, 2012, 8:31 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: 01: The Semantic Value of the Tense Stems
Replies: 17
Views: 24312

Re: 01: The Semantic Value of the Tense Stems

Jonathan Robie wrote:Is the "passive stem" a marker of aspect? Do ἐλύθην and λυθήσομαι have the same aspect?
Oops, you already answered this:
Stephen Carlson wrote:I would claim that the passive stem conveys perfective aspect, even in the future
Can you say more?
by Jonathan Robie
June 1st, 2012, 4:58 pm
Forum: The Verb in Koine Greek
Topic: Rijksbaron and the Greek New Testament
Replies: 38
Views: 51186

Re: Rijksbaron and the Greek New Testament

Makes sense. I have BDR, but not BDF. They're very similar. BDR is better formatted and sometimes fuller. Oh, and it's auf deutsch. The section numbers seem to correspond, at least sometimes. Do they always? Yeah, I noticed the German bit, I bought this grammar in Germany when I thought I could use...

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