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by Scott Lawson
August 1st, 2021, 12:29 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 36781

Re: John 8:58

I thought I’d post Baugh’s comments on present and aorist imperatives. Obviously they don’t have time. Baugh in his paper on Greek Aspect says : “To summarize this point then, the present tense forms of the imperativals were chosen when the author wished to communicate a general command or exhortati...
by Scott Lawson
August 1st, 2021, 12:01 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 36781

Re: John 8:58

Robertson says: Πρὸ τοῦ in the ancient writers was used much like πρίν and in the temporal sense.8 It gradually invaded the province of πρίν, though in the N. T. we only meet it 9 times. It is not common in the papyri nor the inscriptions.9 See Delphian inscr. 220, πρὸ τοῦ παραμεῖναι. Polybius has i...
by Scott Lawson
August 1st, 2021, 11:52 am
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 36781

Re: John 8:58

Eeli, the aorist with infinitives seems to be the default tense form so very little significance about its time can be drawn from this.
by Scott Lawson
July 31st, 2021, 8:24 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 36781

Re: John 8:58

Eeli the term absolute seems to be used in the sense loosening. So a word that is absolute is loosed from the syntax of a sentence. It stands alone in it’s sense. I’m probably telling you what you already know. I’ve never seen the grammatical term “non-absolute”.
by Scott Lawson
July 31st, 2021, 7:00 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 36781

Re: John 8:58

From Wallace’s GGBB: Time This use of the infinitive indicates a temporal relationship between its action and the action of the controlling verb. It answers the question, “When?” There are three types, all carefully defined structurally: antecedent, contemporaneous, subsequent. You should distinguis...
by Scott Lawson
July 31st, 2021, 6:09 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 36781

Re: John 8:58

Jonathan in addition to answering the question μὴ σὺ μείζων εἶ τοῦ πατρὸς ἡμῶν Ἀβραάμ, ὅστις ἀπέθανεν; καὶ οἱ προφῆται ἀπέθανον. τίνα σεαυτὸν ποιεῖς; Jesus’ response at verse 58 it needs to answer the question: εἶπον οὖν οἱ Ἰουδαῖοι πρὸς αὐτόν· πεντήκοντα ἔτη οὔπω ἔχεις καὶ Ἀβραὰμ ἑώρακας; So it sho...
by Scott Lawson
July 31st, 2021, 5:45 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 36781

Re: John 8:58

Jonathan you suggested: Before Abraham was ... it's me. In that sentence “was” has an existential sense and would seem to be either the main verb (which an infinitive cannot be). Or “it’s me.” is absolute and again I point out that there is no controlling verb to give γενέσθαι its time and without i...
by Scott Lawson
July 31st, 2021, 4:05 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 36781

Re: John 8:58

Viewing ἐγὼ εἰμί as absolute creates the difficultly that γενέσθαι has no controlling verb to give it it's time.
by Scott Lawson
July 31st, 2021, 3:58 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 36781

Re: John 8:58

If the sentence πρὶν Ἀβραὰμ γενέσθαι ἐγὼ εἰμί would at the same time expresses both identity with an unexpressed predicate (I am the Christ/God) and also expresses existence with the same “be” verb it would be the height of John’s double entendres. Even surpassing John 8:25 with it’s possible questi...
by Scott Lawson
July 31st, 2021, 3:30 pm
Forum: New Testament
Topic: John 8:58
Replies: 209
Views: 36781

Re: John 8:58

Below is something I wrote up on basic sentence structure some time ago. If there are any mistakes please correct me. There would seem to be a blending of two different sentence types. One as a convertible proposition which is a complete thought and then one which requires a main verb (the linking v...

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