The discursive use of και

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MAymer
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The discursive use of και

Post by MAymer » September 9th, 2019, 12:52 pm

I've been doing some reading on my own through Runge and Levinsohn's discourse textbooks, and I'm wondering something.

If και used connectively typically joins two items of equivalent value, what are we to make of 1 Pet 5:13

ἀσπάζεται ὑμᾶς ἡ ἐν Βαβυλῶνι συνεκλεκτὴ
ΚΑΙ
Μᾶρκος ὁ υἱός μου.

Can we really argue that the former is a collection of persons and the latter is a solo person if we're thinking discursively, or does the και leave the door open for ἡ...συνεκλεκτη to be a solo person also?

MA
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Re: The discursive use of και

Post by Stirling Bartholomew » September 9th, 2019, 2:33 pm

I suspect that you are misunderstanding Levinsohn. In the future you should cite your reference books by page and section. Levinsohn DFNTG 2nd ed 2000, p124 §7.3 "conjunctive και 'is used to link items of equal status' " a citation from Porter 1992:212. My reading of this: Equal status means that the constituents joined by και occupy the same position in the discourse hierarchy and has the same discourse function.

I could be wrong. Levinsohn's work is difficult material and when he cites from Porter things get really confusing since Porter in 1992 was working within a different framework than Levinsohn.
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Daniel Semler
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Re: The discursive use of και

Post by Daniel Semler » September 9th, 2019, 10:05 pm

MAymer wrote:
September 9th, 2019, 12:52 pm
I've been doing some reading on my own through Runge and Levinsohn's discourse textbooks, and I'm wondering something.

If και used connectively typically joins two items of equivalent value, what are we to make of 1 Pet 5:13

ἀσπάζεται ὑμᾶς ἡ ἐν Βαβυλῶνι συνεκλεκτὴ
ΚΑΙ
Μᾶρκος ὁ υἱός μου.

Can we really argue that the former is a collection of persons and the latter is a solo person if we're thinking discursively, or does the και leave the door open for ἡ...συνεκλεκτη to be a solo person also?

MA
I don't see how καὶ would have a bearing on number here, considered from a discourse perspective or otherwise. ἡ...συνεκλεκτη is fem. sing. Isn't this just a regular compound subject with a singular verb ?

But perhaps I'm missing what you are asking about ...

Thx
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Barry Hofstetter
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Re: The discursive use of και

Post by Barry Hofstetter » September 10th, 2019, 8:43 am

I haven't read Levinsohn and don't remember the language ("of equivalent value") from Runge, but I suspect it means that καἰ normally connects the same sorts of things, such as two nouns, or two phrases, or two clauses, etc. For example:

ἀνὴρ καὶ γυνή, not ἀνὴρ καὶ ἔρχεσθε (which would obviously be nonsense).
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Re: The discursive use of και

Post by MAymer » September 10th, 2019, 6:51 pm

Exactly, Barry.

However, ἡ συνεκλεκτὴ is often read as a compound noun, the church in Babylon, rather than a single common noun equivalent to Μαρκος. And Daniel, my query is not with the singular verb, but with the two joined nominatives.

I concur that they are of equivalent discursive weight, but it seems odd then that an entire collection of persons would be represented in the first noun, and a singular person in the second.

That's my question in a nub.
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