Are there other broken prepositional phrases?

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Stephen Hughes
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Are there other broken prepositional phrases?

Post by Stephen Hughes » May 9th, 2015, 4:17 am

Besides
Luke 1:65 wrote:Καὶ ἐγένετο ἐπὶ πάντας φόβος τοὺς περιοικοῦντας αὐτούς·
are there other broken prepositional phrases in the New Testament?
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Re: Are there other broken prepositional phrases?

Post by Jonathan Robie » May 11th, 2015, 2:50 pm

How do you define "broken prepositional phrase"?
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ἐξίσταντο δὲ πάντες καὶ διηποροῦντο, ἄλλος πρὸς ἄλλον λέγοντες, τί θέλει τοῦτο εἶναι;
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Re: Are there other broken prepositional phrases?

Post by Stephen Hughes » May 11th, 2015, 9:51 pm

Jonathan Robie wrote:How do you define "broken prepositional phrase"?
Loosely.

This question is being asked in the context of questioning some of the "basics" of Greek that I learnt as a beginner, but which don't necessarily hold true in practice. One of them was that a preposition ca not be separated from the nominal phrase that follows it. Apposition seems from the examples I've found to question that.

Is it always true that a preposition's nominal phrase always follows it without change of gender or number without anythibg intervening? Are prepositional phrases ever followed by relative clause?
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Re: Are there other broken prepositional phrases?

Post by Jonathan Robie » May 12th, 2015, 12:40 pm

Discontinuities in phrases is fairly common, including prepositional phrases.

Obviously, this happens with post-positives:
Matthew 1:12 wrote:Μετὰ δὲ τὴν μετοικεσίαν Βαβυλῶνος
Matthew 3:1 wrote:Ἐν δὲ ταῖς ἡμέραις ἐκείναις
But you also see it in other places like these:
Matthew 1:20 wrote:τὸ γὰρ ἐν αὐτῇ γεννηθὲν ἐκ πνεύματός ἐστιν ἁγίου
Matthew 8:8 wrote:Κύριε, οὐκ εἰμὶ ἱκανὸς ἵνα μου ὑπὸ τὴν στέγην εἰσέλθῃς
Matthew 10:11 wrote: εἰς ἣν δ’ ἂν πόλιν ἢ κώμην εἰσέλθητε
Mark 2:21 wrote:αἴρει τὸ πλήρωμα ἀπ’ αὐτοῦ τὸ καινὸν τοῦ παλαιοῦ
Are these broken by your definition? I haven't looked through most of these, but I'm attaching a file with prepositional phrases that contain discontinuities in word order, not all of these are broken by your definition, and most involve post-positives, but there are still many interesting examples to explore. In general, Greek phrases are broken up more frequently than you might think.
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Re: Are there other broken prepositional phrases?

Post by Stephen Hughes » May 15th, 2015, 11:00 pm

Jonathan Robie wrote:In general, Greek phrases are broken up more frequently than you might think.
Thanks, I've had a look through them. My general conclusion about language learning is that students learn despite what they're taught.
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