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Online parsing tool?

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Hello all:

I've set myself the goal of reading through the entire Gospel of Matthew in the Greek. Having finally finished working through Dr. Rollinson's online Greek textbook (https://www.drshirley.org/greek/textboo ... tents.html), I think I can best build my vocabulary and understanding of Greek syntax through extensive practice reading like this. So far I'm two chapters in and it's going well. Whenever I come up against an unfamiliar word I try to look it up in my lexicon (Muraoka first, then Logeion if necessary) but sometimes I just can't figure out what Greek word it is (e.g. with irregular verbs). In that case I've been using a copy of Mounce's Analytical Lexicon to look up the unusual form so I can find out what the underlying word is.

My question here is, can anyone recommend a good (and easy to use!) online parsing tool where I could type in a Greek word form and the site would identify the underlying word and parse it like Mounce does? I'm thinking of a tool that would cover not just Koine but also classical Greek as I've been dipping into that a bit as well. For example I've been stymied trying to find the verb behind ενωθρευσας on Logeion to understand why Loeb translates it as "had been ill" in their Select Papyri volume, so an online parsing tool would be helpful here and of course with my GNT reading.

Thanks in advance!
Cheers,
Mitch Tulloch
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Mitch Tulloch wrote: July 23rd, 2023, 12:27 pm Hello all:

I've set myself the goal of reading through the entire Gospel of Matthew in the Greek. Having finally finished working through Dr. Rollinson's online Greek textbook (https://www.drshirley.org/greek/textboo ... tents.html), I think I can best build my vocabulary and understanding of Greek syntax through extensive practice reading like this. So far I'm two chapters in and it's going well. Whenever I come up against an unfamiliar word I try to look it up in my lexicon (Muraoka first, then Logeion if necessary) but sometimes I just can't figure out what Greek word it is (e.g. with irregular verbs). In that case I've been using a copy of Mounce's Analytical Lexicon to look up the unusual form so I can find out what the underlying word is.

My question here is, can anyone recommend a good (and easy to use!) online parsing tool where I could type in a Greek word form and the site would identify the underlying word and parse it like Mounce does? I'm thinking of a tool that would cover not just Koine but also classical Greek as I've been dipping into that a bit as well. For example I've been stymied trying to find the verb behind ενωθρευσας on Logeion to understand why Loeb translates it as "had been ill" in their Select Papyri volume, so an online parsing tool would be helpful here and of course with my GNT reading.
Thanks in advance!
I don't know much about online resources, but I can thoroughly recommend Zerwick & Grosvenor "A Grammatical Analysis of the Greek New Testament", Biblical Institute Press, Rome. It goes through the whole GNT, verse by verse, with insightful comments - it's much more than the title implies. It will occasionally refer to Zerwick's "Biblical Greek", but you probably don't really need that book yet.
Also, what I find helpful is to keep a daily log of what I read, making a note of new vocabulary, grammar, etc. The effort of thinking over a passage and making notes on it is a help to comprehension and memory. There's also the Daily Dose of Greek, which is currently starting Matthew's Gospel (working through the genealogy at present)
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Thanks Dr. Shirley, I've added Zerwick & Grosvenor to my wish list of books I might buy in the future. And thanks also for your suggestion about making notes, but unfortunately I tend to make lots of notes and then never look at them <grin> so this time I'm trying a different approach of simply reading some Greek every day :-)

And Zerwick & Grosvenor deals only with the GNT but I'm looking for something more general for parsing help as I've also started expanding my reading to a few Psalms in the LXX and bits of several Loeb volumes I borrowed from our university library. So an online parsing tool is really what I'm looking for, and so far I've only found ΜΟΡΦΩ (https://logeion.uchicago.edu/morpho/%CE ... E%BF%CF%82) and even that seems stumped by ενωθρευσας. Can anyone here suggest any other online parsing tools?

Thanks in advance!
Cheers,
Mitch Tulloch
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Mitch Tulloch wrote: July 23rd, 2023, 12:27 pm My question here is, can anyone recommend a good (and easy to use!) online parsing tool where I could type in a Greek word form and the site would identify the underlying word and parse it like Mounce does? I'm thinking of a tool that would cover not just Koine but also classical Greek as I've been dipping into that a bit as well. For example I've been stymied trying to find the verb behind ενωθρευσας on Logeion to understand why Loeb translates it as "had been ill" in their Select Papyri volume, so an online parsing tool would be helpful here and of course with my GNT reading.
If you have a New Testament text or something in the classical corpus, there are a variety of tools that will let you see how some expert analyzed any given word. Most of the New Testament tools use morphologies developed either by James Tauber or Ulrik Sandborg-Petersen. Morpheus or Scaife are about as good as anything I know of for classical texts.

For papyrii, Trismegistos provides morphological analysis. If you click on the link I just provided, you will see this analysis:
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If you need a general purpose tool that works with texts that you can't find an analysis for, Large Language Models do a pretty good job these days. I just tried this with ChatGPT, it didn't quite figure out the lemma, but it got there with a little help:

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OK, it's wrong about the lemma, but a little hint will get it there:

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And now it can give me a decent answer:

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Mitch Tulloch wrote: July 23rd, 2023, 1:23 pm Thanks Dr. Shirley, I've added Zerwick & Grosvenor to my wish list of books I might buy in the future. And thanks also for your suggestion about making notes, but unfortunately I tend to make lots of notes and then never look at them <grin> so this time I'm trying a different approach of simply reading some Greek every day :-)

And Zerwick & Grosvenor deals only with the GNT but I'm looking for something more general for parsing help as I've also started expanding my reading to a few Psalms in the LXX and bits of several Loeb volumes I borrowed from our university library. So an online parsing tool is really what I'm looking for, and so far I've only found ΜΟΡΦΩ (https://logeion.uchicago.edu/morpho/%CE ... E%BF%CF%82) and even that seems stumped by ενωθρευσας. Can anyone here suggest any other online parsing tools?

Thanks in advance!
You could try John Barach's site,
https://www.motorera.com/greek/
https://www.motorera.com/greek/lexicon/a.html (it does not include ενωθρευσας)
https://www.motorera.com/greek/nt/mt01.html
https://www.motorera.com/greek/lxx/genesis01.html
https://www.motorera.com/greek/apocrypha/bar1.html
https://www.motorera.com/greek/early/did01.html
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Thanks to both of you!
Cheers,
Mitch Tulloch
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Mitch Tulloch wrote: July 23rd, 2023, 12:27 pm My question here is, can anyone recommend a good (and easy to use!) online parsing tool where I could type in a Greek word form and the site would identify the underlying word and parse it like Mounce does? I'm thinking of a tool that would cover not just Koine but also classical Greek as I've been dipping into that a bit as well. For example I've been stymied trying to find the verb behind ενωθρευσας on Logeion to understand why Loeb translates it as "had been ill" in their Select Papyri volume, so an online parsing tool would be helpful here and of course with my GNT reading.
Install the browser extension from Alpheios. http://alpheios.net/pages/tools/
Then double-click the Greek word and a box will appear with the analysis of the form.
For example, at https://www.loebclassics.com/view/selec ... Mode=verso
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While i use John Barach's excellent helps at
https://www.motorera.com/greek/index.html or alternatively at
https://greekdoc.github.io/

I also find https://www.stepbible.org/ a very easy to use online resource for parsings. Select an ancient greek version of the NT, and then click any word in it and the parsing opens up in a little window.

But in my personal experience over the past few months that I've been using it , the first link (motorera) is way more helpful for a beginner since it also leads to other related learnings like cognates, principals parts of verbs etc all in the vicinity of the main parsed form.

I am so grateful for all the so very helpful resources we have these days, and the huge amount of work that must have gone into making all this available in terms of coding, research etc!

P.S: I almost forgot http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?lang=greek
one can directly type in any transliterated greek word and get access to its parsings, definitions etc.
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Ken M. Penner wrote: July 24th, 2023, 9:16 am Install the browser extension from Alpheios. http://alpheios.net/pages/tools/
Then double-click the Greek word and a box will appear with the analysis of the form.
For example, at https://www.loebclassics.com/view/selec ... Mode=verso
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Yeah, Alpheios is great. And it's cool that it does well with this fairly obscure word.
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