Epistle to Diogenetus

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Re: Epistle to Diogenetus

Post by Stirling Bartholomew » July 30th, 2020, 12:35 pm

Barry Hofstetter wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 9:46 am
... but remember that it was originally understood with τόπου, "place" and that's how I read it here, "the place where they are going to go, this they call god."
Yes, I agree with that, but the original question posed wasn't one about place. The original question was a What question not a WHERE question. The shift from what to where in the parenthetical part is the reason it is translated as a parenthetical remark. It is off-topic in a discussion τί ποτ᾿ ἐστὶ θεός. The fact that pagans are presented here as thinking of divinity as a What and not a Who is itself noteworthy.

Diog. 8:1 Τίς γὰρ ὅλως ἀνθρώπων ἠπίστατο τί ποτ᾿ ἐστὶ θεός, πρὶν αὐτὸν ἐλθεῖν; 2 ἢ τοὺς κενοὺς καὶ ληρώδεις ἐκείνων λόγους ἀποδέχῃ τῶν ἀξιοπίστων φιλοσόφων; ὧν οἱ μέν τινες πῦρ ἔφασαν εἶναι τὸν θεόν (οὗ μέλλουσι χωρήσειν αὐτοί, τοῦτο καλοῦσι θεόν) ...

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Re: Epistle to Diogenetus

Post by Barry Hofstetter » July 30th, 2020, 2:33 pm

Stirling Bartholomew wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 12:35 pm
Barry Hofstetter wrote:
July 30th, 2020, 9:46 am
... but remember that it was originally understood with τόπου, "place" and that's how I read it here, "the place where they are going to go, this they call god."
Yes, I agree with that, but the original question posed wasn't one about place. The original question was a What question not a WHERE question. The shift from what to where in the parenthetical part is the reason it is translated as a parenthetical remark. It is off-topic in a discussion τί ποτ᾿ ἐστὶ θεός. The fact that pagans are presented here as thinking of divinity as a What and not a Who is itself noteworthy.

Diog. 8:1 Τίς γὰρ ὅλως ἀνθρώπων ἠπίστατο τί ποτ᾿ ἐστὶ θεός, πρὶν αὐτὸν ἐλθεῖν; 2 ἢ τοὺς κενοὺς καὶ ληρώδεις ἐκείνων λόγους ἀποδέχῃ τῶν ἀξιοπίστων φιλοσόφων; ὧν οἱ μέν τινες πῦρ ἔφασαν εἶναι τὸν θεόν (οὗ μέλλουσι χωρήσειν αὐτοί, τοῦτο καλοῦσι θεόν) ...

Okay, I thought your question was about whether οὗ was adverbial or pronominal. Yes, it's paranthetical, and it is a bit of a shift, I suppose, but not sure why that fact is in and of itself important.
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Re: Epistle to Diogenetus

Post by Eeli Kaikkonen » July 30th, 2020, 2:41 pm

Stirling Bartholomew wrote:
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